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#1171 Post by bgx » Thu May 25, 2017 7:11 pm

anyway, can we have any hope for non 16/9 Thinkpad LAPTOP in 2017?

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#1172 Post by fatpolomanjr » Thu May 25, 2017 9:49 pm

If they end up releasing a 16:9 Retro Thinkpad, let's just say I'll be glad I spent the extra money on the 51nb projects.
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#1173 Post by dr_st » Thu May 25, 2017 11:32 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 6:47 pm
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And the winner is:... System76 Lemur, starting at only $699.-
Seems like a cheap Chinese barebone chassis to me. Not really sure whats so special about this one, other than that it doesn´t come with Windows.
Heh, to some that's special enough. :)

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#1174 Post by Puppy » Fri May 26, 2017 10:44 am

Even Huawei can release a 13" 3:2 laptop.
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#1175 Post by Raidriar » Tue May 30, 2017 1:30 pm

Still waiting for 16:10 1920x1200 to make a comeback :(

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#1176 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue May 30, 2017 1:50 pm

There are rumors that the retro thinkpad will be based on the T470, but the details are somewhat lost in translation.
Read it and weep! :cry:

(found it here: viewtopic.php?p=801190#p801190)

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#1177 Post by Puppy » Wed May 31, 2017 2:48 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue May 30, 2017 1:50 pm
There are rumors that the retro thinkpad
Yes, the project is dead (as expected) :(

I think about getting ThinkPad wireless keyboard (the 7-row old one) with Microsoft Surface combo.
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#1178 Post by shawross » Wed May 31, 2017 6:47 pm

Yes if the Surface came out with a decent Trackpoint then I would open my wallet.
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#1179 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:36 am

Puppy wrote:
Wed May 31, 2017 2:48 am
I think about getting ThinkPad wireless keyboard (the 7-row old one) with Microsoft Surface combo.
I wouldn't get the wireless keyboard if I plan to use that thing to type a lot. The wireless keyboard isn't as reliable as their wired counterparts. it's like you just get lost characters in a long paragraph and you have to go back and check word by word again...
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#1180 Post by theterminator93 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:31 am

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#1181 Post by pianowizard » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:09 am

Puppy wrote:
Wed May 31, 2017 2:48 am
I think about getting ThinkPad wireless keyboard (the 7-row old one) with Microsoft Surface combo.
What's the model number of the 7-row wireless keyboard? I have seen only 6-row ones.

As you saw in my "What's the lightest laptop you travel with" thread, I recently bought a Surface 3 (non-Pro) and am so happy with it that I will sell all my other portable computers. A nice thing about it is that it has not just a micro USB port but also a full-sized USB port, something the Thinkpad 8 lacks. Thus, you can simply plug in a wired Thinkpad keyboard via the full-sized USB port, and can still have the charger plugged into the micro USB port. I am using the SK-8845 Thinkpad keyboard with the Surface 3. It's not fully compatible with Windows 10 64bit, but works well enough for the most part. For traveling though, Microsoft's type cover designed specifically for the Surface 3 would be better than the Thinkpad keyboard, since it is not only much lighter but also protects the screen.

BTW, the new Surface Pro announced a couple weeks ago has a WWAN option!
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The wireless keyboard isn't as reliable as their wired counterparts. it's like you just get lost characters in a long paragraph and you have to go back and check word by word again...
Touch-typists who look at the screen while typing won't have this problem. If a character is missing, we correct that right away before typing the rest of the paragraph.
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#1182 Post by Puppy » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:07 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:09 am
What's the model number of the 7-row wireless keyboard? I have seen only 6-row ones.
You're right, it was USB one only that era.
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#1183 Post by chx1975 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:06 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue May 30, 2017 1:50 pm
There are rumors that the retro thinkpad will be based on the T470, but the details are somewhat lost in translation.
Read it and weep! :cry:

(found it here: viewtopic.php?p=801190#p801190)
Weep why? I would buy I have no problems. I am not married to any screen ratio really. The T470 goes to 32GB has a physical dock and has Thunderbolt 3. If it gets the classic keyboard, I am buying it.

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#1184 Post by Puppy » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:16 am

chx1975 wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:06 am
The T470 goes to 32GB has a physical dock and has Thunderbolt 3. If it gets the classic keyboard, I am buying it.
T470 does not have WQHD screen option (T470p and T470s have it) that delivers acceptable quality while the FHD screen quality is much worse. But it is not known yet what exact T470 model it will be based on.
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#1185 Post by prophetic » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:09 am

chx1975 wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:06 am
RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue May 30, 2017 1:50 pm
There are rumors that the retro thinkpad will be based on the T470, but the details are somewhat lost in translation.
Read it and weep! :cry:

(found it here: viewtopic.php?p=801190#p801190)
Weep why? I would buy I have no problems. I am not married to any screen ratio really. The T470 goes to 32GB has a physical dock and has Thunderbolt 3. If it gets the classic keyboard, I am buying it.
A T470 with classic keyboard would be so lazy. At least try to get us a 3:2 screen. If it's only a swapped out keyboard, they should have had that option available from the beginning and celebrated the entirety of 2017 as the 25th anniversary.

I already said it but it bears repeating: releasing something configured like this in November rather than now is lazy on so many levels.
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#1186 Post by Summilux » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:04 pm

prophetic wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:09 am
A T470 with classic keyboard would be so lazy.
But it wouldn't be surprising coming from Lenovo, now, would it ?
prophetic wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:09 am
If it's only a swapped out keyboard, they should have had that option available from the beginning
This had been hinted at upon several occasions, but Lenovo has been all too keen on Lenovoing for so long.
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#1187 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:42 pm

chx1975 wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:06 am

Weep why? I would buy I have no problems. I am not married to any screen ratio really. The T470 goes to 32GB has a physical dock and has Thunderbolt 3. If it gets the classic keyboard, I am buying it.
Maybe not weep, but definitely yawn. We need a yawning smiley around here, big time.

To each their own, but if the only "Retro" aspect of the machine will be a 7-row keyboard all I can do is yawn.

No one - but no one - asked for the transition to the 6-row. Now we're supposed to jump from joy that the option which shouldn't have been taken away in the first place is coming back on what is supposed to be a premium, one-time-killer unit? I don't think so.

I'd even swallow a 3:2 panel of good quality although my preferences lay elsewhere, but a "retro" ThinkPad with a 16:9 aspect ratio is an insult to intelligence of the ThinkPadders worldwide. Not that it would be a first one, coming from Lenovo.
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#1188 Post by chx1975 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:15 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:42 pm
To each their own, but if the only "Retro" aspect of the machine will be a 7-row keyboard all I can do is yawn.

No one - but no one - asked for the transition to the 6-row. Now we're supposed to jump from joy that the option which shouldn't
Supposed to or not, I will jump from joy and will buy any recent hardware ThinkPad with the seven row keyboard (with the usual caveats: user installable memory, disks and some sort of high speed external bus which today is Thunderbolt 3 so the T470p simply doesn't cut it).

Yes, more would be better but it's the keyboard winter and I will grasp at any warm. I have backed the Indiegogo campaign for the Moto Z keyboard mod and hope it'll happen. Would it better if it would be integrated and not a mod? Sure. But I will take what is there. There hasn't been a landscape keyboard phone since 2012. There hasn't been a laptop with a usable keyboard since 2011. I will take what I get. I am a dinosaur, I know and I am glad whatever little is thrown at me.

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#1189 Post by Puppy » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:58 am

Someone here reports that his T470p has already died three times (third replacement). Wondering whether it is just typical Lenovo beta-grade BIOS already known from P50 (first few months machines died after some specific steps with docking etc) or hardware design or quality issue :(
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#1190 Post by exTPfan » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:08 am

A T470 with a 7-row keyboard would be better than a T470 with a 6-row keyboard, but its screen is smaller than the 13.3 inch screen on a Thinkpad 600e from year 2000 (83.75 in^2 vs 84.91 in^2). Not for serious stuff.
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#1191 Post by prophetic » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:24 pm

exTPfan wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:08 am
A T470 with a 7-row keyboard would be better than a T470 with a 6-row keyboard, but its screen is smaller than the 13.3 inch screen on a Thinkpad 600e from year 2000 (83.75 in^2 vs 84.91 in^2). Not for serious stuff.
http://www.displaywars.com/14-inch-16x9 ... 3-inch-4x3
It's amazing how disappointing 16:9 really is.
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#1192 Post by Isengrim » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:28 am

I have been lurking this forum for quite long time now waiting for some update about ThinkPad Retro. My wish is that with this one I can bring some hope back ---> https://twitter.com/LenovoBlogCZ

Basically it means "Quick update: Retro ThinkPad is not dead. And 25th anniversary of ThinkPad is coming closer..."

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#1193 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:45 am

Welcome to the forum!
Isengrim wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:28 am
I have been lurking this forum for quite long time now waiting for some update about ThinkPad Retro. My wish is that with this one I can bring some hope back ---> https://twitter.com/LenovoBlogCZ

Basically it means "Quick update: Retro ThinkPad is not dead. And 25th anniversary of ThinkPad is coming closer..."
Unfortunately, while one lives in hope, they usually also die in hope...

To put it more precisely: for many, the "retro project" is on life support and can be presumed dead. Others are afraid of it coming alive as another disappointment from Lenovo.

Personally, I'm at the point where I could hardly care less about it, which is quite sad given my long-time-devotion to the brand.
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#1194 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:28 am

Here is some worthy reading: This year's 25 geekiest 25th anniversaries
Some follow-ups:
25 years ago there was Windows 3.1, today there is Windows 10, at least at this rate we'll never see Windows 25, Yeah!
Lenovo dumps usable keyboards and decent screens, because they cost money!
Trump dumps the Climate Change agreement, because that costs money!

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#1195 Post by BillMorrow » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:37 am

i was verifying my collection of thinkpad 701C HDD's sunday.. some would boot to win 3.11, some to win95 and some to win98.. i have one someplace here that boots to OS/2..
running lotus 123 and other lotus apps they sure run fast..
i guess from low overhead..

the latest i heard re. the retro thinkpad is there won't be 4x3.. it'll be some wide screen aspect..
why..? no 4x3 available..!

i guess this IS like climate change..
global cooling, global warming, weather, whatever you call it it'll likely never show up.. :(
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#1196 Post by Summilux » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:12 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:45 am
Personally, I'm at the point where I could hardly care less about it, which is quite sad given my long-time-devotion to the brand.
I wish I could. Lenovo deserves only disdain from us. But HP and Dell have stopped producing laptops with traditional (non-chicklet) keyboards and their trackpoints aren't on par with IBM's. So I'm forced to cling onto this thread...
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#1197 Post by TPFanatic » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:00 pm

Are the Dell and HP "Trackpoints" also made by Synpatics? Perhaps you can install the Thinkpad Synpatics drivers on them, like some people in the past have installed HP Synaptics drivers on their Thinkpads (I tried it on my T500, it worked) as a means of gaining two-finger scrolling for the Touchpad, but they come bundled with HP's inferior pointing stick driver.
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#1198 Post by Puppy » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:07 pm

If the Retro project outcome will be just T470 (including no WQHD screen option ?) with 7-row keyboard and no other improvements like missing status LED indicators, I am wondering whom such product actually targets ? It is too far from original promise/hope for individuals who wanted classic ThinkPad again. Corporates don't care at all how crappy the keyboard or display is especially if there will be a premium price for such generic laptop.
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#1199 Post by dr_st » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:10 pm

Puppy wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:07 pm
If the Retro project outcome will be just T470 (including no WQHD screen option ?) with 7-row keyboard and no other improvements like missing status LED indicators, I am wondering whom such product actually targets ?
Honestly? I'd probably buy it, even just for the 7-row keyboard with a traditional layout. As long as it's not too crippled in other ways. For instance, I still want a mechanical dock and an Ultrabay, and prefer to have a LAN port. LED indicators I can live without. QHD I can live without, as long as the screen is IPS. FHD on 14" is sufficient for me. I'm very much enjoying my lovely customized T430s.
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#1200 Post by Puppy » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:32 pm

dr_st wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:10 pm
You probably meant 7-row.
Yep :oops:

During last two years I use desktop setup again more and more (X220 in dock with 4:3 monitor) so the Retro machine was more alike I "want" rather than "need" that. Having (low-res = low-quality) 16:9 display I'd probably skip it and build small desktop PC. There are also several complains on Reddit about T470 build quality and BIOS basic functionality issues.
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