Thinkpads Forum

bhtooefr wrote:Found elsewhere, the ThinkPad "Ultra Classic" 780ZXL+:

http://i.imgur.com/BZ4hQZi.png

RealBlackStuff wrote:What, you don't think this is real?

The king of Belgium is fed up that the Dutch make jokes about how dumb Belgians are. He goes to King Willem, of the Netherlands, and demands that the Dutch should do something stupid, so that the Belgians can laugh at the Dutch. Willem wants to maintain good relations so he says; "meh, we will build a bridge in the Sahara". The king of Belgium approves and so it happens; the Dutch build a bridge in the desert.

They became the laughing stock of the world. The king of Belgium is pleased and says to king Willem:"Ha ha that was funny, you can remove the bridge."

King Willem responds: "We can't, there are Belgians on the bridge trying to fish."

pianowizard wrote:

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:Don't make silly demands. Just a *20 series with current hardware and 16:10 will do.

Why is it silly to petition for a 3:2 screen? There are already two laptop-sized 3:2 panels to pick from: 12.0" 2160x1400 made for the Surface Pro 3, and 12.85" 2560x1700 made for the Chromebook Pixel. And like exTPfan said above, there might be a 14.0" 3:2 panel soon.

600X wrote:

Sleepy664 wrote:probably leaving more space inside for...let's say some JBL speakers from the Y series – there is no reason a business class notebook should sound badly.

I agree and I have pledged for this before. However, I think lenovo should partner with Dynaudio instead, because they have delivered some impressive results on MSI notebooks. But then of course, pretty much anything would be better than what ThinkPads currently have.

bit_twiddler wrote:Dell made a decision with their workstation-class laptops (if there really is such
a thing) to go for structural integrity, whereas Lenovo and Toshiba decided to go
for lighter weight. The same goes for different fans for the CPU and GPU.

Sleepy664 wrote:Palmrest should be made without the large hole where the keyboard goes – that would eliminate keyboard flex (see how it is done on Dell M4800: http://img2.parts-people.com/products/30X9Va.JPG).

Ibthink wrote:

Sleepy664 wrote:Palmrest should be made without the large hole where the keyboard goes – that would eliminate keyboard flex (see how it is done on Dell M4800: http://img2.parts-people.com/products/30X9Va.JPG).

The already have done that with the current Tx50 and the predecessor Tx40 generation. Take a look at the W550s palmrest: http://abload.de/img/wp_20150318_17_50_19_ajjwk.jpg

This is design is consistent for the T & W series (X is slightly different due to size constraints...).

exTPfan wrote:OK, so it's just more talk. Nothing to get excited about.

2) Construction - external: Get rid of all plastic covers. When you hold both EliteBook and ThinkPad in your hands, guess which one feels the cheaper and which flexes the most? Old ThinkPads often had their covers made of magnesium and it would be nice to have it back. Palmrest should be made without the large hole where the keyboard goes – that would eliminate keyboard flex (see how it is done on Dell M4800: http://img2.parts-people.com/products/30X9Va.JPG). Powerful ThinkLight is a must.

exTPfan wrote:2Q15
16:10 laptops up 16% over a year earlier.
16:9 laptops down 12%.
Perhaps MS will get frustrated, and build its own 3:2 laptop (as it did with tablets).
http://www.notebookcheck.net/The-PC-mar ... 204.0.html

bhtooefr wrote:For laptops, Apple makes five models - four of them (in order of size, MacBook, MacBook Air 13", MacBook Pro 13", and MacBook Pro 15") are 16:10, one is 16:9 (MacBook Air 11").

Everyone else in that list exclusively makes 16:9 laptops (tablets aren't counted).

But, claiming that Apple's growth in sales against a decline in the rest of industry is due to aspect ratio is really, really weak, IMO.

bgx wrote:the poll is up.
http://youropinioncounts.lenovo.com/s/R ... d/survey1/

i ve submited my 2cents.

-Keyboard layout: Chicklet vs non chicklet is not a real problem, but the layout is. I need home/end/page up/page down in a cluster. I need direct F(unction) keys. I very much want dedicated volume buttons.

bgx wrote: -No trackpoint button on the *4* serie. (but you came back to reason on the *5*)!
-Aspect: we do not want big bezel around the screen, we do not want big 'bezel'(?) around the keyboard. If there is space, use it for something. Look at X4x/X6x. Minimal bezel looks great (look at DELL inifinscreen).
-Screen: (goes with the previous): with going to 16/9, you not only reduce the vertical space needed for those who do (coding, content creation, etc) but you also creat empty bezel space. Go to 4:3 or 3:2. 16:10 is acceptable but not best.
- Robustness and servicability. 2 memory channels, at least 1 replaceable/extendable, replacable battery. I keep my thinkpad long

voted thinkpad 600 (no X40 available - the best ofr me, but really close in term of bezel size/keyboard)

Please participate!

brchan wrote:I wished they gave the option of the long key travel on the 600 thinkpads. Remaking a 600 keyboard for new thinkpads would be awesome, even if it makes the unit thicker.

brchan wrote:I wished they gave the option of the long key travel on the 600 thinkpads. Remaking a 600 keyboard for new thinkpads would be awesome, even if it makes the unit thicker.

bhtooefr wrote:I know I've used a 600X some time, but I can't for the life of me remember what it felt like.

pianowizard wrote:http://s8.postimg.org/5po4j7foz/thinkpad024.png

It looks great, especially since I never use the numpad and so I would just toss it (or not buy it in the first place). I have always typed faster on the number row anyway. Not sure how many numpad users would like it though.

pianowizard wrote:For those of you who have never seen a 3:2 screen, doesn't it look much taller than 16:9 or even 16:10? If you like tallscreens, don't settle for 16:10!

bhtooefr wrote:OK, that, I kinda like, actually. However, it'd require a custom LCD - in 3:2, the only panels I'm aware of are the 10.8" 1920x1280 panel in the Surface 3, the 12.0" 2160x1440 panel in the Surface Pro 3, the 12.85" 2560x1700 (3:2ish) panel in the Chromebook Pixel, and the 20.0" 3840x2560 panel in the Panasonic Toughpad 4K.

bhtooefr wrote:I still prefer my concept of cramming a 13.3" 16:10 2560x1600 panel into a (2 mm wider) X201-sized chassis (small-bezeled ThinkPads were a thing in the past - X4x/X6x had 22 mm total bezel horizontally (246 mm LCD, 268 mm chassis), T2x/T30 had 17 mm total bezel horizontally (287 mm LCD, 304 mm chassis), and my idea would have 11 mm total bezel - aggressive, but doable), but that's pretty nice.

bhtooefr wrote:Granted, I suspect most people would prefer the layout that the 15" MBPR uses, with big speakers next to the keyboard. Either that, or the 15.6" 16:9 formula that many laptops nowadays follow, with a full numpad next to the keyboard (but that doesn't even fit in 15.4" 16:10, unless you make the numpad narrower, or pull some out of the main keyboard (which breaks it for Japanese layouts)).

Utwig wrote:The best part of keyboard is that it's equal to all other keyboards

Utwig wrote:I actually was carrying Thinkpad USB keyboard with me when I had to take IT exams or use other people's computers for a long time, so that I didin't have to switch to standard PC keyboard (same layout but different due to taller keys).

Summilux wrote:Looks sexy indeed! It would be a nice addition to the X/T-sized Classic machine.

MrMaguire wrote:I like it. My one complaint would be the switch for the TrackPad. I can imagine accidentally pressing it while using the TrackPoint, and that'd get annoying pretty quick.

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:The screen; yes, but rather 15" 2560x1700 so scaling problems aren't off the chart.

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:The full PC keyboard? Are you kidding? Complaints of off-centre alphanumeric keyboard incoming...

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:Utrabay numpad; sure, why not. They already had that in the past too.

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:All dedicated buttons; not going to happen, don't want it either. Somethings are just easier to keep the keyboard completely in finger's range. Like @$$! requires a combo with shift.

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:Dedicated touchpad on/off; how often would you need that?

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:Don't make silly demands. Just a *20 series with current hardware and 16:10 will do.

bhtooefr wrote:Skylake integrated graphics will not output a VGA signal, only TMDS (DVI, HDMI) or DisplayPort protocols.

A VGA port can only carry analog RGB signals, and therefore won't really be a thing any more on Skylake platforms (unless a manufacturer puts a converter chip in).

bhtooefr wrote:A DVI port supports both analog RGB (in DVI-A or DVI-I) and TMDS (in DVI-D or DVI-I). A DVI to VGA adapter or a (very rare) DVI-A monitor simply tells the graphics controller to output a VGA signal on the DVI port, and that won't work on Skylake. A DVI-D (digital, TMDS) monitor is unaffected

An HDMI port can only carry TMDS signals, so nothing's changed there, it works exactly as it used to. An HDMI to VGA adapter will still work, because as far as the graphics controller's concerned, it's TMDS, not VGA.

DisplayPort can carry either TMDS or DisplayPort signals - a passive DisplayPort to DVI adapter tells the graphics controller to output a TMDS signal on the DisplayPort, that'll work as it used to. A DisplayPort monitor will obviously work as it used to, too. And, a DisplayPort to VGA adapter looks like a DisplayPort monitor to the controller, and that will also work as it used to.

Summary: VGA no, DVI to VGA no, HDMI to VGA yes, DisplayPort to VGA yes.

pianowizard wrote:Why is it silly to petition for a 3:2 screen? There are already two laptop-sized 3:2 panels to pick from: 12.0" 2160x1400 made for the Surface Pro 3, and 12.85" 2560x1700 made for the Chromebook Pixel. And like exTPfan said above, there might be a 14.0" 3:2 panel soon.

There aren't many more laptop-sized 16:10 panels out there, so if asking for 3:2 is silly, asking for 16:10 is just a little less silly.

16:10 is noticeably taller than 16:9 and is therefore more useful for text-based work, but it's still a fairly small difference. 3:2 would be a significantly better upgrade.

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:I didn't mean that regarding the 3:2, but regarding "full pc keyboard" and that stuff.

bgx wrote:The vast majority of people buy laptop mostly for content consumption, still. They are happy with 16/9 ratio, they dont use the keyboard much, they dont care. The overall PC market is not very important regarding the maket for TP possible buyers. TP role should not be to tackle the desires of the whole market. Lenovo has a lot of other brands for that, for the best. Now they should focus to do TP machine for buisness, and there are still a big demand for that - but also particular needs.

http://icharts.net/chartchannel/top-6-w ... _mhnwzs5nc

looking at this charts over a year,

you can see apple was more flat the 2 previous Quarters.
there are many factors to take into consideration.
Win10 coming very soon.
new Macbook designs out few months ago.
a slight but constant increase of OS X.

Aspect ratio is probably outside the reason for that.
Now, if we have 2 comparable machines same vendor same ad, with 2 different aspect ratio, then we can start comparing.
For thinkpads, i have a feeling that it would clearly make an impact and would be a clear selling point and differenciation factor. People who want only to watch movie do not get a TP anyway.

mydreamlaptop wrote:At least the “Classic” ThinkPad keyboard kept them in the same arrangement, though they were shrunken and separated from the arrow keys. And they were still lined up so the same 3 fingers still can press the same keys.
This made sense in the original ThinkPads when laptops were constrained in width due to the limitations of LCD screen manufacturing technology. To minimize the slowdown in typing speed, the main part of the keyboard was kept at full size (11.25” wide) while the numpad was dropped completely (in US layout you can still type numbers using the number row) and Esc, F keys and navigation keys were shrunken and rearranged.