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Re: RetroThinkPad survey #2 of ??

#2 Post by theterminator93 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:03 am

Excellent, they asked about screens this time. They specifically stated that 3:2 would be a cost challenge, so in the interests of "practicality" I voted 16:10. Between the two (3:2 and 16:10) I really have a slight preference towards 3:2, but since they specifically called out the difficulty/expense of acquiring such a panel I voted 16:10. 16:9 is just... No. on all levels.

I suspect they may ask for more input on screens the next time around. They didn't even mention IPS or AFFS...
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#3 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:44 am

Not so: they had 4:3 cost/production problems, not with 3:2.

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#4 Post by theterminator93 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:19 am

Apparently my eyes have failed me for misreading that. Oh well...

16:10 or 3:2, I'd be happy with either as long as we get something with good resolution and viewing angles. ... As long as it's not 16:9. :)
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#5 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:26 pm

Done.

Voted for 4:3. Not that it's going to happen, but nevertheless...let them know that the dinosaurs that require vertical space for actual work are not extinct yet.
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#6 Post by Nigellus » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:51 pm

theterminator93 wrote:Apparently my eyes have failed me for misreading that. Oh well...

16:10 or 3:2, I'd be happy with either as long as we get something with good resolution and viewing angles. ... As long as it's not 16:9. :)
I voted for 3:2.

I wish they'd separated out the matte vs. glossy and touchscreen or not into separate issues.

If it came down to it, I'd rather have a matte screen over a glossy. That is non-negotiable. But while I like touchscreens, if it'll detract from other aspects, I can do without.
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#7 Post by dr_st » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:08 pm

Nigellus wrote:I wish they'd separated out the matte vs. glossy and touchscreen or not into separate issues.
Exactly. The one problem I had with that survey is that often two or more different binary choices were grouped in a single selection, and it's impossible for me to accurately convey my feelings, if I have a strong preference for one of the choices, but no preference for the other.

Unlike in the first survey, there also wasn't sufficient room for custom user input.
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#8 Post by Bibin » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:19 pm

The survey link is not working, and the lenovo blog site makes no mention of it...
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#9 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:24 pm

Bibin wrote:The survey link is not working, and the lenovo blog site makes no mention of it...
Yep. They must have pulled it down for whatever reason...maybe too many users asking for 4:3 aspect ratio... :twisted:
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#10 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:28 pm

Because of the many negative reactions, they may have temporarily disabled it, to make better selections (at least I hope so...)

EDIT: George was faster (I only type with 2 fingers, even after all these years as a programmer... 8) )

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#11 Post by Ibthink » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:29 pm

Maybe its because the survey isn´t quite finished yet, as it will be released on Friday, combined with a new blog post?

Just be a little more patient...it will be out the day after tomorrow....
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#12 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:56 pm

Ibthink wrote:Maybe its because the survey isn´t quite finished yet, as it will be released on Friday, combined with a new blog post?
Why on Earth have they allowed it to go "live" in the first place then?
Just be a little more patient...it will be out the day after tomorrow....
Oh some of us here have been patient for years now so a couple of days isn't likely to change much of anything...an interesting "glitch" nevertheless...
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#13 Post by Ibthink » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:04 pm

Why on Earth have they allowed it to go "live" in the first place then?
Maybe its because its for some internal testing and feedback?

You could also ask why Lenovo regularly uploads pictures of new ThinkPads weeks before launch to their servers open for all...

This link was not published by Lenovo.
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#14 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:22 pm

Ibthink wrote: Maybe its because its for some internal testing and feedback?
Huh? And then "internal" suddenly went external?
You could also ask why Lenovo regularly uploads pictures of new ThinkPads weeks before launch to their servers open for all...
I haven't given it a thought and doubt that I ever will, but can see no connection between the two...
This link was not published by Lenovo.
Are you implying that someone has hacked into their Intranet, found the link in question and then published it on the page controlled by Lenovo?
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#15 Post by Ibthink » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:31 pm

Thats not at all what I am saying. I am saying that it was online because of sloppiness :wink:
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#16 Post by rkawakami » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:35 pm

Well I voted for 4:3 as well (15" 1600x1200) as I've been using this A31p for several years and it works for me better than the T520 1920x1080 also on my desk at the moment. By my definition a "retro" Thinkpad should be something with a 15" UXGA, at minimum.
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#17 Post by Summilux » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:50 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Because of the many negative reactions, they may have temporarily disabled it, to make better selections (at least I hope so...)
Seeing you guys' comments in this thread, it was indeed probably for the better that they pulled this 2nd survey.
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#18 Post by Nigellus » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:09 pm

I don't think we were mean. Most of the criticisms seemed constructive to me.

I am cautiously optimistic that they are doing this in the first place.

You can't get initiatives like this through the corporate bureaucracy unless the corporation recognizes a market incentive to do it.

I'm trying not to get too excited, but if they give me a ThinkPad even close to what I want, I will buy it (so long as they get the keyboard right).
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#19 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:53 pm

Summilux wrote:
Seeing you guys' comments in this thread, it was indeed probably for the better that they pulled this 2nd survey.
Why? Maybe something along the quote from an old movie...

"Truth? You can't handle the truth!"

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#20 Post by Bibin » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:33 pm

Probably the link was found by taking the previous one, and changing the 1 to a 2. They may put it back once it is officially announced. Shame on them for not being careful and putting the page up early :BAAAD!:

Side note: Why is the posting page huge, with everything nearly doubled in size? Is it optimized for the legally blind now?
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#21 Post by Summilux » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:16 pm

Nigellus wrote:I don't think we were mean. Most of the criticisms seemed constructive to me.
ajkula66 wrote: Why? Maybe something along the quote from an old movie...

"Truth? You can't handle the truth!"

:mrgreen:
Huh? No no, there's a misunderstanding.

I meant to say that from reading the comments, it seems like that 2nd survey was half-arsed, therefore it's for the best that it was withdrawn since its design wasn't so helpful.
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#22 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:18 pm

I wasn't referring to you - as in Summilux - not being able to handle the truth, but to Lenovo themselves.. :D .

Hope all is clear now.
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#23 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:15 am

Bibin wrote:Side note: Why is the posting page huge, with everything nearly doubled in size? Is it optimized for the legally blind now?
Nope, it's a Forum-software glitch, that's taking longer than expected to fix.
One of these days...

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#24 Post by Summilux » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:48 am

ajkula66 wrote:I wasn't referring to you - as in Summilux - not being able to handle the truth, but to Lenovo themselves.. :D .

Hope all is clear now.
Miscomprehensions have been dissipated :wink:
RealBlackStuff wrote: Nope, it's a Forum-software glitch, that's taking longer than expected to fix.
One of these days...
I was wondering as well... and double checked my browser's zoom mode at first.
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