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Time to crowdfund the real ThinkPad: let's see how badly we want it

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Re: Time to crowdfund the real ThinkPad: let's see how badly we want it

#61 Post by nitrocaster » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:37 am

TPFanatic wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:24 pm
RAM is prone enough to failure that it needs to be replaceable / upgradable.
Care to prove? Your own experience does not count.
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Re: Time to crowdfund the real ThinkPad: let's see how badly we want it

#62 Post by dr_st » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:03 am

nitrocaster wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:37 am
TPFanatic wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:24 pm
RAM is prone enough to failure that it needs to be replaceable / upgradable.
Care to prove? Your own experience does not count.
How can one prove something like this? Even if you could obtain large-scale statistics (which in itself is hard), there is still the matter of defining "prone enough". It will almost certainly stay a matter of opinion, no matter how much people argue about this.

My own experience (which also doesn't count) also shows that RAM fails more than CPUs, and more than chipsets too (except chipsets with specific design flaws). But boards fail way more often RAM, CPU or chipset, mostly due to other reasons (capacitors, fuses, broken or damaged traces, accumulated gunk, etc).
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Re: Time to crowdfund the real ThinkPad: let's see how badly we want it

#63 Post by dragonknight » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:49 am

I'm not sure if this is a suitable thread to post this. @mods: Please move this to another thread/space if you see fit

Ever since computex when I first saw the Intel Compute Card https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... -card.html, I was intrigued by it.

Personally I wanted to put one of those small computers (like the Raspberry Pi) inside the T60p body, and fill all the left-over space with battery. In the case of the Rpi, I can just put in some normal battery pack (the ones that we use for phones) and have it run for days, recharging/replacing battery will also be easy. The difficulty was the connection to screen, keyboard + trackpad and the fact that Rpi has ARM processor while I want an X86 computer.

However, things changed with the Compute Card. Intel showcased their compute card with some cool concepts (which you can see here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZ21KFs08M), one of which was to run a laptop with a replaceable Compute Card. Recently they released this product and the dock for it. My idea is now to just buy the card and the dock, strip open the dock, move the ports (USB, HDMI, Ethernet, etc.) to the side of the T60p body, and use the PC card bay to store the compute card. That whole set up will be quite small, and I can just fill the body with batteries + some circuits to connect the card to the SXGA+ screen I have, later on when Intel has a new model of the compute card, I can just buy it and replace the old one. Neat, isn't it?

I'm still not sure if it is feasible though, but I'll be able to purchase one of these and play with my idea in February (I'm emigrating in January and I don't want to go through custom with a lot of electronic stuff in my luggage).

Can someone let me know if they find any flaw with this plan? I'll appreciate some help given I'm not a real "hardware guy" :D
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Re: Time to crowdfund the real ThinkPad: let's see how badly we want it

#64 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:31 pm

^
Interesting idea. While the included processors in the Compute cards aren't particularly fast (Kaby Lake Core m3 and Apollo lake Celeron/Pentium), its other features (4k video decode, USB 3.0, HDMI and Mini Displayport output) are nice upgrades especially compared to Core 2 era Thinkpads. And the MiniDP port can be used to direcltly interface with current LCD panels, which are eDP (embedded Displayport).

Problem with the dock is the stated 19v operating voltage, which means you'll have to make a custom power converter/ battery charging circuit.
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Re: Time to crowdfund the real ThinkPad: let's see how badly we want it

#65 Post by Summilux » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:12 pm

amardeep wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:04 pm
A 'real' Thinkpad Classic that all can agree on ...

• the 'proper' keyboard.
• a really good screen.
• a chassis that doesn't have acres of space around the screen.

I think that's the minimum, and although there'd be grumbling about other features (status lights, aspect ratio etc etc), this is the core requirement. I suppose the other big bone of contention would be screen size. Well ... 14". Suck it up, it'll be the most popular / a compromise most can live with !

There you go, I've done it :-)
Agreed. And if you think about it, screen size will no longer be too much of a matter of discord - since Dell has demonstrated with its XPS that a bigger screen could fit in a smaller frame.

It's technically possible. Now we'd need to rally around a set of specs, get a viable manufacturing contractor, and shell the money.
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