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Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:00 pm
by RealBlackStuff
Until now Lenovo stubbornly only shows US-English keyboards!
Finally some pictures that show the large vertical-L Enter key.

German layout:
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Nordic layout

Japanese layout

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:08 pm
by Puppy
I've never understood why there is the useless [<] key between shortened left Shift and Z keys on European layouts.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:20 pm
by Thinkpad4by3
Well, from that picture, we could be able to have a T470s or T470p with a retro keyboard, just figure out where to get the palmrests.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:36 pm
by Summilux
Puppy wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:08 pm
I've never understood why there is the useless [<] key between shortened left Shift and Z keys on European layouts.
Useless ? It's very useful for HTML !

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:45 pm
by Puppy
Summilux wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:36 pm
Useless ? It's very useful for HTML !
It is doubled, at least on Czech layout http://notebook.cz/clanky/recenze-noteb ... 240155.jpg The key is completely useless because [|], [\], [*], [&] are also on other keys where it is supposed to be.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:10 pm
by Summilux
Puppy wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:45 pm
It is doubled, at least on Czech layout http://notebook.cz/clanky/recenze-noteb ... 240155.jpg The key is completely useless because [|], [\], [*], [&] are also on other keys where it is supposed to be.
Lol you have keys with four characters on it ?! That's completely new to me, I didn't even know this even existed :P
How do you access the 4th character ?

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:11 pm
by MikalE
It is exactly like my T520 keyboard.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:35 pm
by Olangu
Can we call this 7-row keyboard the limp-B keyboard?

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:27 pm
by TPFanatic
The B is depressed because of the shallow trackpoint design and increased wells surrounding it... I can see how that can B annoying.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:11 pm
by ajkula66
Summilux wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:10 pm

Lol you have keys with four characters on it ?! That's completely new to me, I didn't even know this even existed :P
I have a Swiss-layout keyboard for T4x/R5x somewhere but am too tired to look for it right now, pretty sure that it also sports some 4-character keys.
How do you access the 4th character ?
I'll leave this one for someone else to answer...

Re: you have keys with four glyphs!

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:59 pm
by automobus
Summilux wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:10 pm
you have keys with four characters on it ?
My middle school calculator had four levels of keyboard function. (TI-36X Solar, has base/primary function, '2nd' shift (yellow), '3rd' shift (purple), 'CONST' shift (green).) Of course a personal computer has at least as many! (That is a sarcastic statement.) IBM's Taiwan ThinkPad keyboard is particularly good looking: it has a legend printed in four colours! (white, red, green, blue) It looks boss. (That is a slang term, meaning awesome.) You will find a photograph of a ThinkPad Taiwanese keyboard here, on the exemplary TP非官方情報站 (TPUSER www.TPUSER.idv.tw by galaxylee).
Summilux wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:10 pm
How do you access the 4th character ?
With mode shift keys, such as 'shift', or AltGr, and simultaneous combination. See Neo-Tastaturbelegung. (It is a keyboard symbolic layout having SIX modes/layers/levels.)

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:24 am
by Tasurinchi
ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:11 pm
I have a Swiss-layout keyboard for T4x/R5x somewhere but am too tired to look for it right now, pretty sure that it also sports some 4-character keys.
They're up to five actually:

¦àä ¦
¦äà{¦


But they're basically three symbols in total, if you have German as standard language, you get "ä" by pressing the key and "à" by the combination of shift+key. If you have French as standard language then is the other way around.

"{" You get pressing Alt-Gr + the key, valid for both German and French

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:16 am
by zoltan87
Puppy wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:08 pm
I've never understood why there is the useless [<] key between shortened left Shift and Z keys on European layouts.
It's not useless, on Hungarian layout we have the í letter on it. Also for people who play fps games it's a huge advantage having an extra key in reach around WASD keys.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:47 am
by dr_st
I find it not only useless, but also harmful. It makes the left shift key too small and hard to reach with your pinky for someone with small/medium hands. It should have just been put on the right side of the keyboard at the expense of the already-longer-than-the-left right shift key.

Although I must admit the extra key for gamers does have its own justification. Not "huge", of course, as you claim, but a tinny tiny advantage nonetheless. :)

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:32 pm
by RealBlackStuff
The differences between UK-layout and US_layout are not huge, but more than important enough (for me as a European) to prefer the UK-layout.
AFAIK most, if not all, Europeans are used to the big upturned-L Enter key and the small left Shift key.
In the US they have this IMHO irritating long horizontal Enter key and the IMHO equally overlong left Shift key.
There are more Europeans than Americans, so who is "right"?
I'm in the US, but nearly all my keyboards are UK-English ones.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:54 pm
by Thinkpad4by3
I think that the US enter key is easier to hit because it is closer to the center of the keyboard. On the otherhand, deleting the right Shift and putting 2 or 3 more useful keys would be of benefit to me since I never ever use that key. 2.75 units of wasted space.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:12 pm
by dr_st
Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:54 pm
On the otherhand, deleting the right Shift and putting 2 or 3 more useful keys would be of benefit to me since I never ever use that key. 2.75 units of wasted space
Touch typists usually use the right Shift with the keys on the right side of the keyboard, so it's useful to have around. But it's rightmost part is usually wasted, since you would be holding your pinky on its left side, closer to the center, most of the time. Thus, putting an extra key there would be useful.

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:51 am
by RealBlackStuff
How about some macro-pictures of the T25-Retro keyboard connector next to a T470 keyboard connector?

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:03 am
by Thinkpad4by3
What is 51nb's next mobo, a T25 board with HQ processor, and a 4 lane eDP connector?

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:31 am
by dr_st
Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:03 am
What is 51nb's next mobo, a T25 board with HQ processor, and a 4 lane eDP connector?
I hope it's Lenovo's next mobo. :)

Re: Finally pictures of non-US T25-Retro keyboards

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:50 am
by Thinkpad4by3
dr_st wrote:
Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:03 am
What is 51nb's next mobo, a T25 board with HQ processor, and a 4 lane eDP connector?
I hope it's Lenovo's next mobo. :)
T26?