Opening new windows in IE

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dsigma6 · #1 Post by **dsigma6** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:33 am

This has bothered me for the longest time, but it seems like something that can be tweaked-

When you have one IE window open, and you open another with a link- It will eventually pop up over the original windows once it finishes loading. Extremely annoying if youre entering passwords on the first page, and all of the sudden youre typing on a completely different page.

I know IE isnt nice like firefox with all the configurations, but maybe theres some silly little utility?

Anybody!?

JHEM · #2 Post by **JHEM** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:33 pm

IE7.

Regards,

James

dsigma6 · #3 Post by **dsigma6** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:35 pm

well i guess thats better than no answer!

i tried it, but thought they did a horrible job trying to mimick firefox- too much stuff up on the toolbar, kind of looks like a cheap toy.

outside of not liking IE7, it was for my 600E running W2K, which doesnt support 7.

thanks though!

Orevin · #4 Post by **Orevin** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:26 pm

You can try the Avant Browser. It works with IE6 and adds tabbed browsing, among other things. You can set how the tabs behave. I used it for years, 'til I switched to FF.

dsigma6 · #5 Post by **dsigma6** » Fri May 12, 2006 4:06 pm

avant seems like a viable option. i was looking at the ie7 addons and saw that- looks just like using aol, but i wouldnt want to unfairly label something so horribly lol.

#6 Post by **GomJabbar** » Fri May 12, 2006 7:00 pm

You might want to look into the Opera Browser. http://www.opera.com/

Opera has some great features. You can scroll Horizontally as well as Vertically with the ThinkPad Trackpoint. It supports tabbed browsing. It's zoom feature is unsurpassed. You can import your bookmarks (favorites) from Internet Explorer, Netscape/Firefox, Konqueror, and Opera. It has a classier interface than Firefox. It is a 3.65 MB download, and 5.52 MB installed. And it's FREE!

dsigma6 · #7 Post by **dsigma6** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:26 pm

ive seen opera around for a long time, but since i wasnt feeling avant browser i checked it out. i looked for help before coming back here, but i have a problem. for instance, comcast.net wont even load- i see a lot of info about pages not loading, but nothing that can fix it. do you have much experience with this program? any help would be appreciate, cause im liking this otherwise!

#8 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sat May 13, 2006 10:01 am

dsigma6, I am confused if you are asking about the Avant browser or the Opera browser.

davidspalding · #9 Post by **davidspalding** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:00 pm

Maybe not a solution, but there's an extension for Firefox which opens IE up in a tab within Firefox. Helpful if you WANT to use IE versus Firefox for a particular site. I haven't used it, though...

JHEM · #10 Post by **JHEM** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:14 pm

davidspalding wrote:Maybe not a solution, but there's an extension for Firefox which opens IE up in a tab within Firefox. Helpful if you WANT to use IE versus Firefox for a particular site. I haven't used it, though...

I use it all the time for several websites that don't play nicely with FF.

Works very well.

Regards,

James

davidspalding · #11 Post by **davidspalding** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:41 pm

[emphasis added]

JHEM wrote:I use it all the time for several websites that don't play nicely with FF.

Now that's kinda a sad statement. There are just way TOO MANY web sites that are designed by fools that don't know what cross-browser compability is, or just don't adhere to WWW standard HTML.

JHEM · #12 Post by **JHEM** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:58 pm

Lenovo.com and IBM.com are two of the worst offenders!

Open any of their support pages in FF and click on "Detect my system".

"Our apologies"

"Unable to determine your system configuration. Please use your browser's Back button to return to the previous page and navigate manually."

Regards,

James

dsigma6 · #13 Post by **dsigma6** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:25 pm

i was talking about opera. on my desktop comcast.net loads, but not on the laptop. i just hooked up an external 17" monitor to my 600e that i got for $8...this is weird!

my tv is getting fuzzy and the two monitors have scan lines since theyre so close...hopefully that doesnt kill them.

davidspalding · #14 Post by **davidspalding** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:40 pm

JHEM wrote:Lenovo.com and IBM.com are two of the worst offenders!

Open any of their support pages in FF and click on "Detect my system".

Many sites choose to use ActiveX controls (which, unless I'm a dummie, aren't supported in FF and others). I suppose I can understand that.

But so many sites just don't even render properly unless you use IE. Tables, layers, dynamic content, fonts, etc. The guy who used to do WEBSITESTHATSUCK.com is out of a job (that domain, i mean, he's probably still teaching) because it's no longer a rarity ... it's universal.

#15 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sat May 13, 2006 5:12 pm

There is an option is Opera to have websites think that you are using a different browser. Press F12 to bring up the Quick Preferences menu for this. Ctrl + F12 brings up the other preferences menu. Probably one of the setting here needs changing. I personally have not had much problem with Opera rendering pages. However I generally use Netscape 7.2, because my e-mail client is included, and I like the appearance of the screen. I've been using Netscape 7.2 for some time now (from before Opera was free).

I just tried www.comcast.net in Opera (I don't have Comcast's service, I am connecting with my Cingular EDGE PC card), and it seems to load fine for me. Perhaps your proxy settings are wrong, or your firewall is blocking something. I have Opera at the default settings, and it is set to Identify as Internet Explorer.

dsigma6 · #16 Post by **dsigma6** » Sat May 13, 2006 6:39 pm

im getting to the point where i LIKE using IE. all these compatibility issues are really frustrating- identical settings produce different results each time. avant- deleted. opera- deleted. firefox- deleted.

IE working fine and doesnt take 5 seconds to open after clicking.

thanks for trying to help.

ThinkPad · #17 Post by **ThinkPad** » Sat May 13, 2006 7:49 pm

I have actually removed IE and just use FireFox, no issues here.

JHEM · #18 Post by **JHEM** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:00 pm

ThinkPad wrote:I have actually removed IE and just use FireFox, no issues here.

Unfortunately I'm stuck leaving both on in order to address client's IE questions, although I've upgraded to IE7.

Regards,

James

davidspalding · #19 Post by **davidspalding** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:42 am

Browsers and proxies can be set to identify themselves as other than themselves, but that isn't the same as changing their render standards. Trust me, I've been doing web design on and off for 13 years, I know how some designs are accidentally "optimized" for IE then not tested rigorously with other browsers.

BTW, you might find Firefox and Thunderbird to be an improvement over Netscape 7.2.

ThinkPad · #20 Post by **ThinkPad** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:47 am

JHEM wrote:
ThinkPad wrote:I have actually removed IE and just use FireFox, no issues here.
Unfortunately I'm stuck leaving both on in order to address client's IE questions, although I've upgraded to IE7.

Regards,

James

Are there any specific differences between IE version 6 and 7?

#21 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sun May 14, 2006 6:31 am

davidspalding wrote:Browsers and proxies can be set to identify themselves as other than themselves, but that isn't the same as changing their render standards. Trust me, I've been doing web design on and off for 13 years, I know how some designs are accidentally "optimized" for IE then not tested rigorously with other browsers.

BTW, you might find Firefox and Thunderbird to be an improvement over Netscape 7.2.

I don't what was causing dsigma6's problem with loading comcast.net in Opera. I was able to load comcast.net in Opera without any apparent problems. I am sure you know more about web pages and web site design than I do. I have never designed a web page.

I tried Firefox for awhile, but when I restored factory contents last month, I left it off (I did install Opera again though). Firefox works OK, but I find it's appearance rather bargain basement. I prefer Netscape 7.2 or Opera to Firefox. I know that sooner or later I will have to leave Netscape for something else; that is, when I have a problem loading web pages, or I feel security is lacking. I don't use IE except when a page won't load otherwise, and this doesn't happen very often to me. I tried Netscape 8.x, but it didn't do anything for me. Since it didn't have an e-mail client as version 7.2 did, I unistalled it.

I haven't tried Thunderbird yet. But as long as I continue to use Netscape 7.2 I don't see any real reason to change e-mail clients.

#22 Post by **jdhurst** » Sun May 14, 2006 7:50 am

dsigma6 wrote:<snip>
When you have one IE window open, and you open another with a link- It will eventually pop up over the original windows once it finishes loading. Extremely annoying if youre entering passwords on the first page, and all of the sudden youre typing on a completely different page. <snip>

I use Internet Explorer. I tried this several times and had no problem. I cannot create a situation where I am trying to enter a password at the same time as a link is opening. So this has never happened. Not helpful I know, but /me scratches head trying to see if a problem really exists. ... JD Hurst

davidspalding · #23 Post by **davidspalding** » Sun May 14, 2006 11:06 am

Haha, Gom, if *appearance* is the issue, there are more themes to apply to Firefox than there are pits in the olive tree orchard. I use a few which are minimalist, and there's even one or two that mimic Netscape 7 and 8. I have one that mimics ... Netscape 1.2. Talk about nostalgia....

#24 Post by **jdhurst** » Sun May 14, 2006 11:32 am

davidspalding wrote:<snip> I have one that mimics ... Netscape 1.2. Talk about nostalgia

My first browser in 1994 was Netscape 0.9 in Windows 3.1. To the best of my knowledge, there was none earlier, although I did use the web initially with Lynx in a terminal window.
... JD Hurst

#25 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:01 pm

I don't really have the desire to search out themes that might appeal. Not really my cup of tea. Now if I happened to run across a theme I liked on a forum or friend's computer, then I might consider trying to get it.

But themes aside, I still like Netscape 7.2 and Opera better than Firefox. Netscape 7.2 I know pretty well, and it has many features I like. It's kind of like an old pair of jeans.

Opera has some features not supported in Netscape 7.2, such as horizontal scrolling support for the TrackPoint, and an excellent (better) Zoom feature. I was about to say if Opera included a POP3 e-mail client, I might make it my default browser. I now see that it does!

I might be making a switch.

EDIT: Another thing about Opera, you can import bookmarks, favorites, and e-mail accounts from other browsers.

Opera Help wrote:It is possible to import e-mail from earlier versions (before 7.x) of Opera, Outlook Express, Eudora, Netscape Mail (only version 6 and 7, and related email clients such as the Mozilla suite), Thunderbird, or any mailbox stored in the generic mbox format (usually *.mbx or *.mbs files), including older versions of Netscape. You can import different accounts settings, folders, and contacts. Your imported account's folder structure will be displayed under "Filters", and the imported messages will be available in "Received". Filters cannot be imported.

davidspalding · #26 Post by **davidspalding** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:30 pm

Actually, Firefox has all that, does all that. I found no differences between Netscape 7.1 and Firefox 1.0, other than FF was faster, had more scalability, extensions and themes (including one that mimics Netscape 7's appearance).

Importing bookmarks is a given for any big browser. Option on install, takes 2 seconds. I hear good things about Opera's suite, though, and they're penetrating more mobile device niches.

davidspalding · #27 Post by **davidspalding** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:38 pm

jdhurst wrote:My first browser in 1994 was Netscape 0.9 in Windows 3.1. To the best of my knowledge, there was none earlier, although I did use the web initially with Lynx in a terminal window.
... JD Hurst

I used to have a floppy for that. This was just after they split from Mosaic, but were still called Mosaic Communications, as I recall. The progress icon was an animated "M," wasn't it? The previous browser was NCSA Mosaic. Boy ... we have come a loooooong way.

http://www.chromejob.com/thinkpads/fire ... tscape.jpg
... bring back memories?

I miss being able to put in about:mozilla (Jamie Z.'s invention; there's a dot-com tale about that), and from thence the animated progress icon was fire-breathing Mozilla. Or was it Mozilla peeking out from behind the "N" (maybe that was Netscape 2 or 3)?

[EDIT] A-ha!

BruisedQuasar · #28 Post by **BruisedQuasar** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:48 am

I find it a rare site or function that will not work with Firefox. Make sure you have the latest release [1.5.x] and check out the plug-ins and add-ons. They are free & they install automatically. Installation is completely Linux style, you merely close and reopen Firefox, instead of reboot your PC.

Add-ons and Plug-ins are Linux means for adding features you want or use, rather than bloat programs with megs of unused functions.
There is an excellent Java add-on for Firefox that lets you run Active X Scripts.

Opera is free? You do not mean the adware polluted version, do you?

--Bruised

dsigma6 · #29 Post by **dsigma6** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:00 am

i got rid of opera- it just had too many bells and whistles for me. back to firefox, since last night while using IE i got the spyfalcon virus- what a POS!!

i was warned through my firewall that something was being modified, but the first time i denied it, my internet stopped working. go figure.

the ONLY reason i didnt like firefox was the slow load time on both computers. i suppose 5 seconds waiting is better than 2 hours taking care of a virus.

time to go home and open up the r40 i ordered...crossing my fingers!

#30 Post by **GomJabbar** » Mon May 15, 2006 1:23 pm

BruisedQuasar wrote:Opera is free? You do not mean the adware polluted version, do you?

Thou knowest not of what thou speaketh. Yeah, it's got a Google search box - so what? A couple of links added to the bookmarks? - I already removed them. And yes it's free.

In fact, I'm giving it a go as my regular browser and e-mail client. I'll see how I like it after using for some days. There's still a little bit of a learning curve to get my preferences set up like I want. A few of the features work different than in Netscape 7.2. Some features I think I liked better in Netscape 7.2, but I don't believe there will be any upgrade to that version. Netscape version 8 is a different beast.

FWIW, The Opera browser download (v. 8.54) is 3.65 MB. The Firefox browser download (v. 1.5.0.1) is 4.93 MB. Opera includes an e-mail client, Firefox does not. Yes, I know about Thunderbird, and it is another download. There is also Opera version 9 beta available, but I'll wait for the non-beta release to try it.

I have not tried Thunderbird, but I have heard good things about it. I am still evaluating the e-mail client in Opera to see how it compares to Netscape 7.2. I know Outlook is powerful, but I avoid it. It's been attacked too many times by the bad guys.

EDIT: Well I'm eating some of my words already. I just uninstalled Opera 8.54 and installed Opera 9.00 beta. I was having a couple of issues with 8.54, so I thought I would try 9.00.

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