Very Exciting Microsoft announcement (!!!)

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beeblebrox · #1 Post by **beeblebrox** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:36 pm

Folks,
I just watched this incredible Microsoft commercial on YouTube (see link here):

http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/ ... /#comments

and this amazing operating system is more than interesting. But, I could nowhere find any information.

Anyone? is this some kind of developer version?

#2 Post by **tomh009** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:53 pm

beeblebrox wrote:Folks,
I just watched this incredible Microsoft commercial on YouTube (see link here):

http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/ ... /#comments

and this amazing operating system is more than interesting. But, I could nowhere find any information. Anyone? is this some kind of developer version?

It's the Longhorn preview from the Microsoft developer conference three years ago. Some of the functionality made it to Vista, some of it was broken out to separate products, some of it was postponed or cut.

nutjobox · #3 Post by **nutjobox** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:46 am

funny to me how it doesnt look too far off from the real vista. actually, that demo looked more like XP with some fancy animated icons. I thought the most stunning part was when they showed how grand the windows XP release was, yet it was in reality one of the most unrefined operating systems MS ever made. it took about two years for xp to become even somewhat bearable to use as a main rig. if nvidia got their act together, vista would be a near flawless transition from XP.

Deckard · #4 Post by **Deckard** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:46 am

I found this much more interesting

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12888 ... ticle.html

Vista follow-up in 2009

It took them five years to develop Vista. Now 2.5 years later the follow-up is supposed to hit the shelves. I'm not holding my breath though.

Manarius · #5 Post by **Manarius** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:34 am

The dumped WinFS to get Vista out now. That's the biggest mistake they made. Had they kept WinFS, Vista could have been more polished and given developers more time to catch up with the process. Vista came out too early for a market just now getting used to XP.

Pirx · #6 Post by **Pirx** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:57 pm

Manarius wrote:The dumped WinFS to get Vista out now. That's the biggest mistake they made. Had they kept WinFS, Vista could have been more polished and given developers more time to catch up with the process. Vista came out too early for a market just now getting used to XP.

[Let the holy wars begin ]

"I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you" (C)

I think dumping WinFS (that's not ready yet) was a good move for Microsoft. A lot of features that were introduced in Vista should go through regular bashing/actual user testing before they become solid enough. Already we see a lot of incompatibility issues with older software. Imagine that 90% of various utilities that make life easier (defragmenters, file managers, software that uses undocumented API calls or direct file system calls) that worked on XP will cease working in Vista. Imagine that in order to go Vista you need to develop (if you're a software vendor), thoroughly test and sell totally new product. Imagine that you have to do it for some marginal group of people who need to upgrade right now, not to corporate customers who, as always, wait for next service pack to implement first one.
Good luck getting customers in this scenario. To me the decision was right 100%. Microsoft is no charity, they're in business to make money.

Temetka · #7 Post by **Temetka** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:38 am

I disagree.

IMO, one of the biggest things hindering Windows today is it's total lack of a journaled file system. NTFS is a mere [censored] child and has lived long past it's usefulness.

WinFS is just what the doctor ordered. To bad the HMO refused to pay.

Pirx · #8 Post by **Pirx** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:42 pm

Temetka wrote:I disagree.

IMO, one of the biggest things hindering Windows today is it's total lack of a journaled file system. NTFS is a mere [censored] child and has lived long past it's usefulness.

WinFS is just what the doctor ordered. To bad the HMO refused to pay.

I am not saying that WinFS is bad. My point is - since it is not quite ready - get other things working first. Besides, WinFS Beta 1 Refresh have been available via MSDN since 2005-08-29.

beeblebrox · #9 Post by **beeblebrox** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:38 am

Well, that demo video I found was November last year. Now that Vista is out and I have played with it a little bit I am more than disappointed with it.
"Same, same ... but different" as they say in Thailand.

Sure, there was a lot done under the hood, but considering $ 5Bn costs, 5000 developers and 5 years of development
I wonder what Microsoft is up to. It seems to me that this "great" company is beyond its prime time.

With the next OS beyond Vista already being announced in 2009 I guess it is more than appropriate just to skip Vista, keep XP, and check the 2009 edition.

Happily typing these lines on a OS X notebook I am more than tempted to abandon Windows after 15 years. This nice MacBook Pro is giving me a hard time to consider my upgrade to the newest Thinkpad.

I never realized how easy, logically and beautiful OS X was.

richp · #10 Post by **richp** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:05 am

Consider that a large portion of the cost is ensuring DRM is in place to keep that income stream safe and quite a bit of it is working hand n glove with intel preventing you from utilizing the new systems potentials and instead developing methods of restricting what you can do..
Be interesting to see what the ratio of developers is to lawyers in these projects. These companies are going to go the wire in a race to beat the US's conversion from analog to digital TV... I just found out that DRM and HDCP is also included in the new wireless wall mount from monster to eliminate cables to your HD or other flat panel TV using Tzero chips for wireless HDMI.

jjesusfreak01 · #11 Post by **jjesusfreak01** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:37 pm

richp wrote:Consider that a large portion of the cost is ensuring DRM is in place to keep that income stream safe and quite a bit of it is working hand n glove with intel preventing you from utilizing the new systems potentials and instead developing methods of restricting what you can do..
Be interesting to see what the ratio of developers is to lawyers in these projects. These companies are going to go the wire in a race to beat the US's conversion from analog to digital TV... I just found out that DRM and HDCP is also included in the new wireless wall mount from monster to eliminate cables to your HD or other flat panel TV using Tzero chips for wireless HDMI.

Lets be fair, content providers mandate this, not Microsoft. Understand that its completely possible that Microsoft could have chose to not include all the DRM support in Windows, but this would hurt MS, not the content providers. Most people use stand alone players for their media.

Anyways, none of it really matters, because both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can be cracked, and I think the cracks came out more quickly than DVD cracks too.

dacheif · #12 Post by **dacheif** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:10 pm

I have a friend who has vista on his IBM machine, T43 I think it is, looks nice but it requires so much ram and video ram that most stock thinkpads just can't handel it, thats why IBM finally got smart and upgraded the T61's to run em, my school just got a batch of them, apperntly from what I've heard Vista has a few security loop holes that make it very easy to hack... Personaly I'm waiting until they come out with atleast ONE service pack untill I get vista!

Cheers

Thomas

mattbiernat · #13 Post by **mattbiernat** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:00 pm

dacheif wrote:Personaly I'm waiting until they come out with atleast ONE service pack untill I get vista!

Vista's UI is unacceptable. no way im going to upgrade unless they revise everything! as my signature says... im gonna wait till 2009 and see what they offer next time around.

mgo · #14 Post by **mgo** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:58 pm

mattbiernat wrote:
dacheif wrote:Personaly I'm waiting until they come out with atleast ONE service pack untill I get vista!
Vista's UI is unacceptable. no way im going to upgrade unless they revise everything! as my signature says... im gonna wait till 2009 and see what they offer next time around.

Vista runs ok on all four of my ThinkPads, but they all run 10 degrees hotter and around 5% slower. And that's just running them all in Classic mode, not the silly fancy visuals.

Joe Wilcox at Microsoft Watch claims that the Vista people who are still at Microsoft pretty much all have to wear the "scarlet letter" around there due to how things turned out.

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