Windows XP SP3 and Vista SP1 - Q1 2008

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#1 Post by **gator** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:36 pm

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3917

More details: Vista SP1 whitepaper from Microsoft

From the article:

Windows XP SP3 will essentially be just a roll-up of all the security updates and hotfixes that have occurred since SP2 was released. There will be no new features in SP3 other than adding Network Access Protection to XP -- a feature that exists in Windows Vista already. Release of Windows XP SP3 is scheduled for sometime in the first half of 2008.

#2 Post by **GomJabbar** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:07 pm

Thanks for posting the article Gator. I like the way it outlined the improvements to be expected in Vista SP1.

#3 Post by **gator** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:35 pm

No problemo, part of daily browsing ritual

I know that windows vista takes about 15 GB of HDD space, but a 7 GB Service pack (though the article claims that this will be reclaimed after installation)? What in the world is microsoft upto?

From the article:

According to Microsoft Installing the Vista SP1 service pack will require a large amount of free disk space (7 GB for x86 and 12 GB for x64). However, most of this space will be reclaimed after installation.

#4 Post by **jdhurst** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:00 pm

If that article is true, then very few people will be wanting Vista. What we have is not compliant with stuff we use. Ordering, purchasing, shipping and receiving 2 or 3 DVD's of fixes and applying is not something any reasonable person will want to do.
... JDH

#5 Post by **gator** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:04 pm

The article is true ... here is the post from microsoft's windows visa blog:

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windo ... -beta.aspx

mgo · #6 Post by **mgo** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:08 pm

gator wrote:No problemo, part of daily browsing ritual

I know that windows vista takes about 15 GB of HDD space, but a 7 GB Service pack (though the article claims that this will be reclaimed after installation)? What in the world is microsoft upto?
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Boy, my jaw dropped when I read about the size needed for the service pack.

However, one of the articles mentions that user have the option of installing a 50mb .exe which will handle the upgrades direct from Microsoft's servers provided one has a fast 'net connection.

If that isn't true, I will balk, big time!

Maybe they could create a "staged" service pack which would not require a huge area like that. You know, a little fix at a time over two or three sessions....

#7 Post by **rkawakami** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:09 pm

Murphy's First Law of Computers: "Data expands to fill any void"

Or another way of putting it, software coders don't care how large their programs are or aren't particularly worried about how efficient they are. After all, everybody has 100+GB drives nowadays, right?

mattbiernat · #8 Post by **mattbiernat** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:21 pm

but not really time or patiance to download stuff from the net for 2 nights just to upgrade their Vista every time they reformat. Wait til the second and third SP packs come out. then you gonna have to download stuff for a month! well, maybe not a month but still... I guess i will stick with XP...

#9 Post by **jdhurst** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:33 pm

I wish Microsoft was in this forum. With almost no one (well less than 5 percent of PC's) using Vista, it looks like Microsoft will have to admit humiliating defeat for an OS that no one needs.

I *was* looking forward to moving to Vista in 2008. Now I do not know. ... JDH

mattbiernat · #10 Post by **mattbiernat** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:23 pm

jdhurst wrote:I wish Microsoft was in this forum.

Microsof is currently in denial. Bill Gates said that Windows Vista was a “smashing success.”

qviri · #11 Post by **qviri** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:27 pm

XP had a slow start as well, did it not? How many of you were using XP in July 2002?

#12 Post by **jdhurst** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:03 pm

qviri wrote:XP had a slow start as well, did it not? How many of you were using XP in July 2002?

I had XP working in 2001. I gave it up for a while because entering into my own business, but picked it up shortly after starting. I won much business successfully converting clients to XP. ... JDH

The Spirit of X21 · #13 Post by **The Spirit of X21** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:55 pm

gator wrote:No problemo, part of daily browsing ritual

I know that windows vista takes about 15 GB of HDD space, but a 7 GB Service pack (though the article claims that this will be reclaimed after installation)? What in the world is microsoft upto?

7GB?......7GB!?! (Insert Doc Brown yelling and shouting)

That's crazy. I would need a T1 line to get that downloaded quickly. This news makes me feel much better about sticking with XP until the first (or second) Service Pack. Come to think of it, I think I'll delete the Vista partition on my T40 now and reclaim some wasted space....

#14 Post by **jdhurst** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:48 am

To quote David Berlind in ZDNet today (Aug 30):
"Vista SP1: Indictment of Vista 1.0?"

Certainly seems so to me. ... JDH

spuddog · #15 Post by **spuddog** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:39 pm

Isn't great to be able to pay to be a Vista beta-tester?

Scott

SHoTTa35 · #16 Post by **SHoTTa35** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:43 pm

The Spirit of X21 wrote:
gator wrote:No problemo, part of daily browsing ritual

I know that windows vista takes about 15 GB of HDD space, but a 7 GB Service pack (though the article claims that this will be reclaimed after installation)? What in the world is microsoft upto?
7GB?......7GB!?! (Insert Doc Brown yelling and shouting)

That's crazy. I would need a T1 line to get that downloaded quickly. This news makes me feel much better about sticking with XP until the first (or second) Service Pack. Come to think of it, I think I'll delete the Vista partition on my T40 now and reclaim some wasted space....

Hehe, a T1 line is only 1.5Mbps, a T3 is 10Mbps i think... FIOS goes up to 30Mbps and Cablevision in NY area has 50Mbps speeds. T1 smmeeehh... that's so 1990

I'm running Vista Sp1 (pre-beta) and it runs good on my T42

Just yah, it's at least 1.6GB bigger than the default Vista install.

The Spirit of X21 · #17 Post by **The Spirit of X21** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:25 pm

SHoTTa35 wrote: T1 smmeeehh... that's so 1990

I didn't know that FiOS was so much faster! I feel so inferior with my Cox cable modem...

#18 Post by **rkawakami** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:39 pm

The Spirit of X21 wrote:I didn't know that FiOS was so much faster! I feel so inferior with my Cox cable modem...

Remember, it's not the size of the download pipe that matters, it's how you use it

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So I'm a little bit confused, will the Windows XP SP3 package require installation of SP2? I just got around to ordering the SP2 CD a few weeks ago to save me some download time when re-imaging systems.

#19 Post by **jdhurst** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:29 pm

I don't know about SP3 pre-requisites yet, but SP1 was 140Mb and SP2 was 275Mb, so I just downloaded them and kept them when I need for re-imaging. ... JDH

#20 Post by **GomJabbar** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:56 pm

SHoTTa35 wrote:Hehe, a T1 line is only 1.5Mbps, a T3 is 10Mbps i think... FIOS goes up to 30Mbps and Cablevision in NY area has 50Mbps speeds. T1 smmeeehh... that's so 1990

On a good day I can't even get 1Mbs on my DSL line at home.

On the road, which is most of the time, I have at&t cellular data. Maybe 25% of the time I have 3G HSPDA service, the rest of the time 2G EDGE service.

Right now, I would take your 1990 gladly

SHoTTa35 · #21 Post by **SHoTTa35** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:55 pm

rkawakami wrote:
The Spirit of X21 wrote:I didn't know that FiOS was so much faster! I feel so inferior with my Cox cable modem...
Remember, it's not the size of the download pipe that matters, it's how you use it .

So I'm a little bit confused, will the Windows XP SP3 package require installation of SP2? I just got around to ordering the SP2 CD a few weeks ago to save me some download time when re-imaging systems.

it never does. SP2 included all the fixes from SP1 and SP3 will include everything from the previous 2 and then some. I'm not really looking forward to SP3 as much as i am to SP1 for Vista. Not that i need it but i apparently love being Microsofts lil bia...

And that sux for you, you can swing by DC and i'll let you leech off my wifi for a hr or so till you have to run to the bathroom because you peed your pants. I had 56K for like 2 weeks then got 10Mbps cable... can you imagine the brownage? I was trying to find everything i can think of just to watch the downloads go! I was lucky, never got DSL not even once in my life. When i'm browsing via EDGE (Bluetooth phone with PAN) that's slow but i'm patient i guess enough for it.

The Spirit of X21 · #22 Post by **The Spirit of X21** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:19 pm

rkawakami wrote: Remember, it's not the size of the download pipe that matters, it's how you use it

Thank you, Ray. I'll get over it, especially since my five year old eMac is a bigger problem than my cable line - it does everything I need, but only as fast as an 800 MHz G4 can

SHoTTa, while I appreciate the offer, I will confine my bowel movements to my bathroom in Rhode Island.

#23 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:23 am

Ray, when you get your SP2-CD, make sure to slipstream it into XP itself. See this page:
http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp2_cd.htm

arni · #24 Post by **arni** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:18 am

Service Packs have always been cummulative and the best way if you consider installing windows more than 1 time is to slipstream the service pack and burn a new installation CD. Same goes with Office.

And you have to be aware that if you are using Windows Update than you won't need the whole installation package. Some voices say that the WU package will be around 100 megbytes if you continue to download any new released patches up until SP release.

I think that the times where you will need the whole Service Pack for download will be minimal since most users still using Windows Update or in corporate environments WSUS.

But there's really the question if anybody out there needs Vista. You won't have any choise when buying a new PC next year but if you're considering updating an existent install i would say: Don't do it!

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