Vista SP1 goes RTM on February 4th!

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#1 Post by **bill bolton** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:42 am

See..... http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=505

Cheers,

Bill B.

Trekk69 · #2 Post by **Trekk69** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:28 am

Thanks a lot!
I've been waiting for the final release to update, good to know it has an date now

Trekk69 · #3 Post by **Trekk69** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:59 pm

Just an update:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/Vista+SP+1 ... March.aspx

#4 Post by **bill bolton** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:20 pm

See http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres ... SP1MA.mspx for the official line!

Cheers,

Bill B.

rhema83 · #5 Post by **rhema83** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:45 pm

Microsoft delayed the public release of Vista SP1 RTM by six weeks. A flurry of angry comments from developers and the IT community at large caused Microsoft to release it earlier (still, days after it leaked on BitTorrent) on Volume Licensing website.

Too bad for us. Even the MSDN and TechNet guys are not getting it early. Unless you want to risk installing something you download on BT onto your OS, you might have to wait another (painful) six weeks...

makaveli559m · #6 Post by **makaveli559m** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:48 pm

I installed Sp1 on my laptop and desktop, I am very impressed because I see that I have better ablities to multi task things now than before. Not bad, though it is still bitter sweet I hope Micrsoft keeps up the work.

#7 Post by **bill bolton** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:33 pm

rhema83 wrote:Microsoft delayed the public release of Vista SP1 RTM by six weeks.

In the software development business, RTM status has never ever been any indicator of FCS (First Commercial Ship) status, it just means that the code version is no longer in its development phase and has moved into a release/maintenance phase.

Cheers,

Bill B.

pae77 · #8 Post by **pae77** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:20 pm

I'm running what appears to be the RTM final version. Happy with it so far.

mgo · #9 Post by **mgo** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:46 pm

rhema83 wrote:Microsoft delayed the public release of Vista SP1 RTM by six weeks. A flurry of angry comments from developers and the IT community at large caused Microsoft to release it earlier (still, days after it leaked on BitTorrent) on Volume Licensing website.

Too bad for us. Even the MSDN and TechNet guys are not getting it early. Unless you want to risk installing something you download on BT onto your OS, you might have to wait another (painful) six weeks...

Response on Tech Net to the silly delay policy has been scathing, to say the least. Microsoft has a serious problem with relations with the tech community and that needless delay is only going to harm them even more. It's enough that they've repeatedly shot themselves in the foot over the past few months.

pae77 · #10 Post by **pae77** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:04 am

It's like speed limits. The speed limits are set for the absoulte worst driver and equipment on the road. Microsoft's policy re the release of SP1 is similar. Shows utter contempt for the tech community. I predict they will alter their position very shortly, if they haven't already.

In the meantime, if you don't want to wait and you are afraid of even md5 verified torrent downloads, you can still get it direct from the source . . . i.e., windows update. It simply requires searching for, locating, and downloading MS's own registry hack (a tiny cmd file) which they distributed to their beta testers and can still be found on the web. This registry hack, simply causes windows update to recognize your system as one which is entitled to download the prerequisites for, as well as, the last beta candidate. That last beta release has recently been confirmed (by MS) to be the exactly the same as the RTM version. (Sorry don't have links to that handy.) So once the registry hack has been applied, windows update will first offer the prerequisite downloads and then should offer SP1 (although it may still say release candidate).

Edit: See next post: As of last Fri, people with the MS issued beta tester registry hack http://www.shodan.in/2008/02/07/install ... stry-hack/ can download the final RTM version of SP1 directly from windows update.

pae77 · #11 Post by **pae77** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:00 pm

From PC Mag online http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2259442,00.asp

Microsoft: SP1 Drivers Not Malfunctioning

02.12.08

discuss Total posts: 1

by Chloe Albanesius

Microsoft on Monday clarified that the phased rollout of Vista's first service pack (SP1) was not due to malfunctioning drivers, but because of issues that arose when these device drivers were reinstalled during the SP1 update process.

Mike Nash from Microsoft's Windows product management group said in a blog post last week that SP1 would be rolled out gradually due to a driver problem Microsoft uncovered during the testing phase.

Nash updated the Vista team blog Monday to say that it "was an issue with the way the device drivers were reinstalled during the SP1 update process, not with the drivers themselves – these drivers worked on Windows Vista release to manufacturing (RTM) and they work on Windows Vista SP1. For new PCs with Windows Vista SP1 preinstalled, this is not an issue," he wrote.

Vista made its consumer debut in January 2007, and SP1 marks the first major upgrade to the operating system. Microsoft released details about SP1 in August, and opened it to a moderately-sized audience for testing in the weeks thereafter.

Beta testers who encountered driver issues typically resolved those problems by uninstalling and re-installing the drivers, Nash said.

"While most people think that it's smart that we are releasing SP1 in stages, some people asked why we haven't made SP1 available to technical customers sooner," Nash wrote.

To that end, Microsoft on Friday made SP1 RTM available to individuals and companies who participated in the SP1 beta program. By week's end, Microsoft will release the English version of Vista SP1 available to volume licensing customers and other languages will be added soon, Nash wrote. SP1 will be open to the Microsoft Developer Network and TechNet Plus subscribers later this month.

"For broad availability, we are still planning to release in mid-March, since we want to be sure that everyone has the smoothest experience possible," Nash said.

Nash stressed that "Windows Vista SP1 is final" and Microsoft has no plans to "make any changes to the SP1 code prior to public availability." Nonetheless, he encouraged users to "keep the comments coming."

Trekk69 · #12 Post by **Trekk69** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:05 pm

Man, I just keep waiting to update!
Oh well, would rather get it once its 'finally out', even though there are so many legitimate copies out there.

pae77 · #13 Post by **pae77** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:11 pm

It is finally out. It just hasn't been automatically made available to you yet because MS is afraid people will get [censored] off if they have to uninstall and reinstall a few drivers. Most people on this forum are technically sophisticated enough to handle those issues.

After applying the SP1 update, so far on my machine I have felt it necessary or advisable to reinstall the Power manager driver, ultranav driver, ultranav utilities, power manager, Hot key, and Comodo Firewall Pro.

Trekk69 · #14 Post by **Trekk69** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:13 pm

Sorry, in that case, I'm waiting for it to be automatically available to me.

pae77 · #15 Post by **pae77** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:20 pm

Up to you (of course).

As I'm starting to explore the changes, I must say that I'm quite impressed. I thought Vista was pretty nice before, but they have really refined it in many subtle ways.

Trekk69 · #16 Post by **Trekk69** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:23 pm

Right on!
Good to hear that its good news, look forward to it!

#17 Post by **bill bolton** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:48 pm

I now have the Vista SP1 RTM code installed on both Vista x86 and x64 ThinkPad ?6x systems. In all cases it installed without any problems and is running satisfactorily.

The RTM release also resolved a couple of small cosmetic desktop oddites which the SP1 RC 1 did not resolve.

Cheers,

Bill B.

pae77 · #18 Post by **pae77** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:27 am

I believe I have found a bug in the Thinkvantage Power Manager with Vista SP1. Whenever I simply click on edit my "balanced" active power plan in the Thinkvantage program, even though I don't make any changes to the sleep/hibernate settings, it causes the Vista Power Plan to revert to "hibernate after 40 minutes on AC power," even though that plan was previously set in both programs to "never hibernate on AC." I caught this because my machine was unexpectedly going into hibernation from sleep mode after sleeping for 40 minutes on AC even though I had it set to just sleep and never hibernate on AC. Hopefully, Lenovo will catch this and update that program so it doesn't continue to conflict with the Vista SP1 power manager and cause such unexpected behavior.

If anyone else experiences this behavior, I would interested in hearing about it.

At least the Vista SP1 power options seem to be working quite well (if you leave Thinkvantage Power Manager alone). I don't remember whether this worked successfully or not pre SP1, but now with SP1, one can successfully setup the machine so that when you turn it off and are on battery power, for example, it will initially sleep for 60 minutes (or however long you want), and then go into hibernation without any further user intervention. So you don't have to worry about burning a lot of battery power while sleeping for extended periods on battery, but can still have the machine wake up fast from sleep for whatever time period you want after you shut down. No more worries about the laptop waking up on its own in the bag and overheating and/or running the battery down.

Techgurl · #19 Post by **Techgurl** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:24 am

I am in no rush. I prefer to stand back and watch the early adopters trouble shoot the problems for me first so when I install it I have the answers already there.

#20 Post by **erik** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:11 pm

i installed SP1 RTM x64 last night and woke up to a faster machine. the best part (for me) is that the power-on fingerprint finally works again. this feature broke for whatever reason when i went to vista x64.

so far i can say that shutdown is faster, menus pop up more quickly, files copy a bit faster, apps load slightly faster, and i keep finding little details that have been improved such as a folder layout issue i was having in windows explorer.

so far, so good.

pae77 · #21 Post by **pae77** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:58 am

Yes, for me, it's those subtle "little details" which I couldn't even describe, that I'm appreciating the most. It's just overall smoother and much more refined.

Trekk69 · #22 Post by **Trekk69** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:56 am

Interesting performance review here: http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-987131 ... subj=Crave

Crunch · #23 Post by **Crunch** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:46 am

Just installed the RTM version myself on my 32-bit installation. It does seem more responsive, bootup and shutdown and noticeably faster, although it wasn't bad before. I didn't have to reactivate Windows, and the WEI scores are exactly the same, after I reran the scoring test. Took about an hour to complete. Just some observations. Looks like I'll be installing x64 version tonight or tomorrow.

One thing I can say. 32-bit Vista WITH SP1 is still slower than 64-bit WITHOUT it. So if x64 will be even faster, then I'm happy.

Edit: Oh wow, one thing is cool. I have my start button menu set to display 25. When I hit it, it seems to have more room in both the initial recently accessed programs, as well as when you click on All Programs, where I had to scroll down before, there is actually some more space there now. Anyone experience that? That's one "visible", and useful improvement for me.

Crunch · #24 Post by **Crunch** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:57 am

Trekk69 wrote:Interesting performance review here: http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-987131 ... subj=Crave

Yea, I've read several reviews and end-user responses. In the "Cons" section of both of the above, many people are always so disappointed and complain that it "lacks any must-have new features"...

Service Packs are not designed to give you a new Windows experience. They are a collection of all updates, bug fixes, hotfixes, etc., so the improvements are always "under-the-hood" improvements in usability, stability, and security. The only exception was Windows XP's Service Pack 2. And as far as I'm concerned, those are my favorite kind of updates. Faster response times...more security. Those are "cool" features to me.

pae77 · #25 Post by **pae77** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:20 pm

In another thread here, I just posted a detailed SP1 changelog. After reading that, I couldn't wait to update.

pae77 · #26 Post by **pae77** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:24 pm

Trekk69 wrote:Interesting performance review here: http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-987131 ... subj=Crave

In general, Cnet is very unreliable imo. In this case, their rather obvious testing error is that it takes several days after SP1 is installed for Vista to "settle down" so to speak, (i.e., finish optimizing itself). So I wouldn't expect performance testing that was done immediately after installing SP1 to be a valid test of overall system performance.

Trekk69 · #27 Post by **Trekk69** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:30 pm

Thanks for the additional info, I appreciate the extra knowledge and interpretation of the results.
Will check out other performance reviews to garner more a knowledgeable opinion.

mrbjr · #28 Post by **mrbjr** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:12 pm

pae77, thanks for the great write - ups. Used the info gained here and updated a couple of hours ago. So far so good, everything seems to be working correctly.

rhema83 · #29 Post by **rhema83** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:28 pm

Clean installed Vista SP1 x64 last night. The system is still trying to settle down (finished indexing and SuperFetch optimization). However, the most noticable improvement is boot and shutdown times. I wonder if it's the service pack or the x64 upgrade...

Anyway, I am a happy man this weekend.

Still getting used to the quirks of Vista x64 (e.g. the two Program File folders, two versions of IE7, etc.)

Vista SP1 goes RTM on February 4th!

Vista SP1 goes RTM on February 4th!

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