Who is staying wtih XP?

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mattbiernat · #1 Post by **mattbiernat** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:37 pm

I currently have windows 7 installed on one of my systems. I have to say that I like it, almost everything about it, yet windows XP just feels different and i can't quite let go of that. Plus I have a bunch of apps that run well and natively on XP. Anybody else in here is stying with XP despite Windows 7?

goofyGAguy · #2 Post by **goofyGAguy** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:47 pm

XP does what I need it to do, so I see no reason to change.

Marin85 · #3 Post by **Marin85** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:53 pm

I guess many people will stay with Win XP at least until 2014. Besides, Win 7 is still in beta, so it´s not clear what will come out in the end... Regarding my majesty, I have abandoned XP long time ago...

basketb · #4 Post by **basketb** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:11 pm

Win XP is good enough for everything I do. From that point of view, there is no need to change the OS (may it be Vista, W7, or Linux). Plus, there is no killer application for either of these OSes that would make it worthwhile to spend additional resources (money for upgrading a number of programs and time for mastering the new OS).
This killer application will come, I'm pretty sure, in the form of 64-bit computing. But in order for 64-bit to take off (for personal use) RAM prices have to come down significantly.
When that happens, I'm probably going to switch to Linux 64-bit rather than W7.

#5 Post by **rkawakami** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:00 am

<raises hand>

XP runs reasonably well with my older systems (T23, A22p, even a 600X) when memory has been maxed out and the OS tuned for best performance. I don't game, nor do I run too many CPU-intensive programs. Just office programs, surfing and the occasional video transcoding. I didn't see the need to upgrade to Vista and I suppose that the same will hold true for W7, whenever it's officially released. It seems like Microsoft continues to write code with the expectation that everyone has, or will upgrade to, the latest hardware coming out of Intel, AMD/ATI, NVIDIA, etc. If that's the case, I'll keep plugging along with what I got. Yes I know that the minimum system requirements for Vista as well as W7 are the same (1Ghz/512MB/32MB VRAM), but it's been my experience that you need to almost double those figures to have the newest OS run without any noticeable difference, when compared to the previous OS running on a "minimum configuration" system.

basketb wrote:But in order for 64-bit to take off (for personal use) RAM prices have to come down significantly.

No, no, no!

RAM prices are already too low. All of the major DRAM manufacturers (Samsung, Hynix, Elpida, Micron) have been losing money for each part they ship. The smaller players in the global DRAM market are not doing any better. The ASP (average selling price) for commodity DRAM is lower than the cost to make, assemble and test it. Thus the major consolidation effort that the Taiwan government has started to take in the creation of "Taiwan Memory Co.". The company that I used to work for, Mosel Vitelic, is owned by ProMOS in Taiwan. ProMOS has run out of money and is scrambling to stay alive. It's hoped that they, along with all of the other Taiwanese DRAM fabs, can combine forces and pair up with Elpida or Micron for this new venture. It's seen as a way of reducing the oversupply of manufacturing capacity and thus an effort to raise prices and become profitable again. Most likely in a month or two, Mosel Vitelic will cease to exist.

i-SnipeZ · #6 Post by **i-SnipeZ** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:57 am

I was going to stay with Windows XP but then I found that Mandriva Linux + Wine is just as good (and better in my honest opinion). Sure it takes a little bit of setting up, but in the end its worth it.

#7 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:37 am

I'll stay with XP as well, see no reason to change or 'upgrade'.
Why waste money?
One of these days I 'll try some Linux derivative, but I'm happy as it is.

beGi · #8 Post by **beGi** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:35 am

XP fan here also...

I'm not going to update this unit for sure, because I'm

with it...

Generally speaking, I never update just OS (although I have free legal source, kudos to MS

), when I buy new unit I update OS as well...

I am going to wait a year and buy Nehalem platform with W7 (and OLED would be nice)...

Until then, no new thinkpads (or OS's on it) for me...

I did update to Vista 6 months ago though, but on new HP unit...

killer · #9 Post by **killer** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:40 pm

XP suits my T43. I looked at Vista on a friend's machine. It seems OK but no better than XP.

Neil · #10 Post by **Neil** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:00 pm

I've been messing around with Win7 for a few days now, but most of the apps I use everyday are not even Vista compatible, and none of my hardware will handle Areo anyway. So since I would have to buy new hardware and software to get to where I am right now with XP, I guess I'll just stay with what I have. It's doing the job just fine for now.

#11 Post by **jdhurst** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:13 pm

New computers will by coming with Vista after June, 2009 so far as I know without the option to backlevel to XP. Again, who knows what outcries from business might result in.

Accordingly, I have moved to Vista on my T61p. Once I oxed and gored Vista into an XP machine, I have the best of both worlds. That is, I have Vista, but I turned it into XP and like it. My desktop remains at XP as it was purchased 5 years ago. It will move to Windows 7 when that becomes a production reality.

If Windows 7 proves to be good (some signs that it will be) then I will get a new and huge hard drive for my T61p and put Windows 7 on it.
.... JDH

spuddog · #12 Post by **spuddog** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:34 pm

I have An R51, R60e, and two cobbled together desktops all running XP. I doubt I will ever use Vista (though I have several valid licenses). I will probably wait until Windows 7 is mature or wait for the follow-up OS. Maybe if I build a new tricked out desktop I would be tempted, but I prefer to have the same OS on all my comps.

Scott

Phazer · #13 Post by **Phazer** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:48 pm

Haven't tried W7 yet. I installed adifferent HDD in my R61i and and loaded XP onto it just to see the difference between Vista and XP on the same machine. I felt the XP to Vista jump was easier than 2000 to XP. I don't really like how Vista handles certain internet items but could live with it. Took a fair bit of fiddleing around to get it to my likings but that was a problem with just finding stuff/settings/names yadda yadda yadda.

Maybe I'll get a 3rd HDD and try W7 on it.....

i-SnipeZ · #14 Post by **i-SnipeZ** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:52 am

Does anybody else remember when MS stopped selling Windows 2000 and all the crap about how XP sucks etc. I think its the same thing with Vista. People just dont like change as far as computers. Especially a big change like from 2k to XP (pre SP2) and XP to Vista. Also, it still is a fact that XP SP1 is the biggest steaming piece of crap ive ever used. Id rather use a beta build of Vista. I would use vista but this T43 doesnt have Aero capable hardware and Vista is a bit slower unless youve got 2 gigs of ram (i have 1.5, and Vista is fast, but not XP fast.) Im a firm believer that you should use the OS provided with your system or equivelent. The hardware is usually built to utilize the OS and probably works better than an earlier or later version. (2k is the best though, asside from the fact that i cant figure out how to bridge my connections in 2k. anybody know? sorry this is off topic.)

#15 Post by **jdhurst** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:19 pm

@i-SnipeZ: Once you understand XP, it takes about 10 minutes to make it look exactly like Windows 2000. It provides Clear Type (which Windows 2000 doesn't). And it is completely reliable (as was Windows 2000). So it puzzles me how you can describe two things almost exactly alike in such completely different manners. To each their own, of course. .... JDH

Temetka · #16 Post by **Temetka** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:42 am

XP what?

No, I won't be staying with it.

It was, and it a great OS.

However it's time has come and shall be fondly remembered by me.

Just because I love Windows 2000, doesn't mean it's my production OS.

mattbiernat · #17 Post by **mattbiernat** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:28 pm

XP does whatever I need it to do on my T60, it does not support 64bit os and so upgrading to any newer OS makes no sense. i predict that a lot of people will stay with XP as long as 4gb RAM sticks are expansive and as long as there isn't any OS that would utilitze that extra RAM (except for those that use lots of RAM in their apps).

i-SnipeZ · #18 Post by **i-SnipeZ** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:12 pm

I still would rate XP lower than 2000, maybe its because I love the old Windows logo and production style. But after using Vista for a while I would say that its better than both for the common user, but for somebody as messy as me, its unfit for use. For that there is Windows 2000 and Linux or nothing. I still feel XP limits what I do too much and Vista is even worse, but its more elagent and tolerable in the way it does. Ive never had Vista or 2000 crash on me while XP crashes numerous times. I still am fairly annoyed how 2000 doesnt have much application support anymore dispite the fact its nearly the same as XP. Id take that old classic Windows style over Aero, Luna, KDE, or Genome any day. Not to mention the Vista GUI is very inconsistant.

#19 Post by **jdhurst** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:44 pm

i-SnipeZ wrote:I still would rate XP lower than 2000..... <snipP Ive never had Vista or 2000 crash on me while XP crashes numerous times. <snip>

Something was wrong with your XP System. I have not had a crash with NT4, 2000, XP or Vista once in production. I made all of them blow up whilst learning how to use them and trying anything at all. But once I reimaged for production, zero crashes. I have now hit the Ten-Year mark with no crashes.
... JDH

i-SnipeZ · #20 Post by **i-SnipeZ** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:00 pm

jdhurst wrote: Something was wrong with your XP System. I have not had a crash with NT4, 2000, XP or Vista once in production. I made all of them blow up whilst learning how to use them and trying anything at all. But once I reimaged for production, zero crashes. I have now hit the Ten-Year mark with no crashes.
... JDH

Ive installed XP on multiple systems and all have crashed. I still have a 2k server running in our office that still houses all of our important files and has been running since sp4 and hasn't been turned off. XP on the other hand Im always having to deal w/ BSOD's and several .NET framework errors that pop up about every 2-3 weeks. All are easily repaired, but are problematic none the less. Vista ive never had a single error at the moment. Ive gotten all my apps to run as easy as enabling compatability mode.

On the other hand one think I really like about XP is how effortless it is to bridge connections. Its a pain in Vista and in 2000 its not even possible, although I am sure there is a work around.

ajkula66 · #21 Post by **ajkula66** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:59 pm

i-Snipe-Z wrote:

Does anybody else remember when MS stopped selling Windows 2000 and all the crap about how XP sucks etc. I think its the same thing with Vista. People just dont like change as far as computers. Especially a big change like from 2k to XP (pre SP2) and XP to Vista.

I think that there's a little more to it...neither XP nor Vista were mature and 100% usable when first released, which can't be said for W2K, at least not in my opinion.

Having said that, both XP and Vista have improved tremendously from the days of their initial release.

Am I staying with XP? I guess I am, at least to a degree...some of my hardware will never be able to run Vista

Using a powerful machine like W500 that I'm typing on now makes you crave for a 64-bit OS...be it XP, win 7, Vista or Linux...

Also, unlike many other people, I don't have a problem running a variety of operating systems...

Win 95 on my 701C

Win 2000 and Linux Mint on my A31p

Win XP and a couple of different Linux distros on my T43/p machines

Win 7 on my T60p

Vista on my X60T and W500...

#22 Post by **jdhurst** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:10 am

i-SnipeZ wrote:<snip>
Ive installed XP on multiple systems and all have crashed. I still have a 2k server running in our office that still houses all of our important files and has been running since sp4 and hasn't been turned off. XP on the other hand Im always having to deal w/ BSOD's and several .NET framework errors that pop up about every 2-3 weeks. All are easily repaired, but are problematic none the less. <snip>

I don't wish to take this too far off track, but if you are dealing with multiple systems and also for the medium haul, you probably should get to the bottom of this. I have many XP boxes running for clients, and short of hardware issues (over which I have no control), I don't see any crashes. Clients would be mightily upset if they had BSOD's every 2 weeks. ... JDH

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