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T50 revisited: the final review of my own system; Updated 07/02/2016

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Re: T50 revisited: the final review of my own system; Updated 07/02/2016

#31 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:14 pm

ajkula66 wrote:For those who prefer to see the numbers involved:

Pentium M 780 2.26 GHz Dothan found in T43p scores 500 with a single-thread rating of 624 in PassMark.

http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Int ... Hz&id=1174
That is wrong. I saw that as well but I ran the benchmark in Windows 10 several times and I get results higher than 550. In Windows 7 you will get even higher marks. It is so wrong that a non-Sonoma Pentium M 765 gets higher average marks than that. I know the reason behind it because I saw ones' scores were for a UNDERCLOCKED Pentium M 780 because it is around 360 and that is why the mark was 500.
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Re: T50 revisited: the final review of my own system; Updated 07/02/2016

#32 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:41 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
ajkula66 wrote:For those who prefer to see the numbers involved:

Pentium M 780 2.26 GHz Dothan found in T43p scores 500 with a single-thread rating of 624 in PassMark.

http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Int ... Hz&id=1174
That is wrong. I saw that as well but I ran the benchmark in Windows 10 several times and I get results higher than 550. In Windows 7 you will get even higher marks.
You may very well be correct, but even PM 780 were to get 600, it will still get blown to bits by an Arrandale. Which was my point.

A SATA-modded T43pSF - especially with an SSD - can still hold its ground but is no match for a five-year-younger cousin...which it ended up outliving in the end. Oh well.... :(
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Re: T50 revisited: the final review of my own system; Updated 07/02/2016

#33 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:04 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
kfzhu1229 wrote:
That is wrong. I saw that as well but I ran the benchmark in Windows 10 several times and I get results higher than 550. In Windows 7 you will get even higher marks.
You may very well be correct, but even PM 780 were to get 600, it will still get blown to bits by an Arrandale. Which was my point.

A SATA-modded T43pSF - especially with an SSD - can still hold its ground but is no match for a five-year-younger cousin...which it ended up outliving in the end. Oh well.... :(
You may very well be correct as well because some kind of Intel compute stick will beat this processor's performance. But premium is still premium, it never changes as long as the computer still works. For the five-year-younger cousin, I have a homestay and my cousin who all bought the cheap lenovo computers 2 years ago whose series did not come from IBM, the result of the two laptops right now are: 1. dead GPU that shows all kinds of garbled stuff after a few minutes of use because the screw holes that holds the heatsink onto the GPU die cracked and the VRAM chips were NOT even heatsinked. That also means 0 resell value, I scrapped it for parts. 2. (sold) heatsink is made of non-copper product therefore the processor throttles at gameplay, non-stable GPU that makes my T530i which has one of the lowest end processors - 2nd gen i5 outshine the 4th gen i5; that homestay threw lots of garbage into the OS that a 4th gen i5 became slower than my T43. That means now, my frankenpad T43 is still working fine while those aren't quite so.
I also notice a difference between a new low-end processor and a old high-end processor. The older high-end processor tend to suffer from lack of new functions and more heat as the CPU load goes up but I feel like it is better that it is trying hard while the low-end processor make me feel like it is not trying much to complete all the job. You can tell if you compare that T43 to today's netbooks.
If you compare TP to Macbooks, Macbooks looks prettier and attractive to many home consumers, very easy and handy to use for computer lames out there, while TP looks prettier and much more solid to other kinds of consumers, very easy and handy to customize (Except for the Ultrabooks of course), and most of them do not have throttling issues like many Macbooks do
If you are stuck with a T43 frankenpad, you can still live with it. It is still bearable to the worst as long as there are no bloatwares. It is not like the end of the world such as putting i386 into W98, i486 into W2k and i486 with Pentium Overdrive to XP.
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Re: T50 revisited: the final review of my own system; Updated 07/02/2016

#34 Post by brchan » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:18 pm

I have noticed that for most cheap and even higher end consumer grade laptops, the hinges are usually the first thing to break, followed by the screen. It's common to see very little reinforcement, especially the lid.

In defense of macbooks (even though I hated using them at previous work), the macbook pros are surprisingly durable. The soft aluminum enclosure absorbs impacts by denting out of shape, but is still stiff enough to hold everything together. Of course, fully closing the lid will be a problem and although the lid is thin, its not too weak. Having said that, there are still plenty of other functionality issues associated with anything apple in general.

I personally would have preferred the T50 not being only a test for the broadwell X62 or T70(?). I like the aesthetics of the T4* much better.
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Re: T50 revisited: the final review of my own system; Updated 07/02/2016

#35 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:25 pm

I don't like apple products too but I can tell the aluminum ones are durable even though the plastic one is pure trash. However, they say due to apple placing the heatsink beside the hinges and the hinges are the only PLASTIC parts, I'm worried about that and I also heard that they throttle when doing intense stuff so I guess that's why TPs always kept the heatsink away from the hinges. As for dell, their Inspiron ones are much better than some Acer, Asus, Sony, and Lenovo home computers but still not as durable as business class, the latitude ones still have decent quality depending on ur model and are better than all of them
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10

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