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Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

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Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#1 Post by flyingfishfinger » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:12 pm

Hi there-
I'm trying to get this card working in the X210. However, I can't tell if this just does not work, or if my card is DOA.

The symptom is no reaction at all, on either Windows or Ubuntu. No dmesg change, no new hardware installer popups.

Last I checked this card uses PCI lanes, which an M.2 slot should provide, by definition.

I'll try it out on different machines to see what happens, but in the meantime does anyone have thoughts on the matter?

Cheers,
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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#2 Post by harryK » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:18 am

flyingfishfinger wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:12 pm
Hi there-
I'm trying to get this card working in the X210. However, I can't tell if this just does not work, or if my card is DOA.

The symptom is no reaction at all, on either Windows or Ubuntu. No dmesg change, no new hardware installer popups.

Last I checked this card uses PCI lanes, which an M.2 slot should provide, by definition.

I'll try it out on different machines to see what happens, but in the meantime does anyone have thoughts on the matter?

Cheers,
R

We might have to enable another Pci root port for that to work (assuming that you are using coreboot). Have you tried it with the stock bios?

Also, what is it for?

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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#3 Post by flyingfishfinger » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:19 am

To add USB-C obviously :) And no, it doesn't work on stock either, but then the BIOS has so many options I wouldn't know if it was disabled...

They don't really make standalone Thunderbolt controllers yet so this might be the best we can do, unless someone wants to port Coreboot to the new X2100 ;)

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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#4 Post by harryK » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:53 am

flyingfishfinger wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:19 am
To add USB-C obviously :) And no, it doesn't work on stock either, but then the BIOS has so many options I wouldn't know if it was disabled...
I see... :-) Then you'll have to carve a new hole in the case I guess. Where are you going to do that?
They don't really make standalone Thunderbolt controllers yet so this might be the best we can do, unless someone wants to port Coreboot to the new X2100 ;)
It shouldn't be incredibly difficult, I guess. Don't think the X2100 will be massivly different from the X210. Not planning to buy one, though.

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#5 Post by harryK » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:09 am

At a second look, I think the description on 51nb said that the M2 slot under the palmrest is storage-only. xytech might know better.
Are there any mini-pcie style usb-c boards, to go in the wwan slot?

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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#6 Post by MikalE » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:10 am

harryK wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:53 am
flyingfishfinger wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:19 am
To add USB-C obviously :) And no, it doesn't work on stock either, but then the BIOS has so many options I wouldn't know if it was disabled...
I see... :-) Then you'll have to carve a new hole in the case I guess. Where are you going to do that?
They don't really make standalone Thunderbolt controllers yet so this might be the best we can do, unless someone wants to port Coreboot to the new X2100 ;)
It shouldn't be incredibly difficult, I guess. Don't think the X2100 will be massivly different from the X210. Not planning to buy one, though.
Right up until this post I thought the USB 3 port would be right on the card. I guess not. I take it the X210 doesn't have the Express Card slot which is what I thought this was for.
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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#7 Post by xytech » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:48 am

harryK wrote:At a second look, I think the description on 51nb said that the M2 slot under the palmrest is storage-only. xytech might know better.
Are there any mini-pcie style usb-c boards, to go in the wwan slot?
I can't remember if there were any documented cases of eGPU on the X210, but the X62 and T70 all had documented eGPU via M.2 and miniPCIe. The X210 comes from the same manufacturer so it's fair assumption that the PCIe lanes aren't limited to just storage. Perhaps the M.2 expansion card isn't getting enough power?

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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#8 Post by flyingfishfinger » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:07 pm

M.2 keys confuse me. The one on the X210 looks to be a M-key, which should be 4x PCIe plus SATA, which checks out with the storage solutions people have talked about.

Regarding power, perhaps. It's got an external power plug that I've temporarily connected to a USB port (yes I know the card says it can source up to 3A out of the C-port, but I haven't connected anything and I figured a normal USB port would be enough to power up the thing). The card gets a little warm which I feel is normal for storage controllers, but it still doesn't show up. Maybe I'll try an external PSU...

EDIT: Higher-current capable power did NOT make the card show up :(

EDIT2: A different mPCIe USB-C card appears under lspci just fine. So either my M.2 card is damaged or the port is not enabled properly. I'm attempting a return to see if I can claim a DOA replacement and whether said replacement works...

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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#9 Post by codetrick » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:01 pm

flyingfishfinger wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:19 am
To add USB-C obviously :) And no, it doesn't work on stock either, but then the BIOS has so many options I wouldn't know if it was disabled...

They don't really make standalone Thunderbolt controllers yet so this might be the best we can do, unless someone wants to port Coreboot to the new X2100 ;)

R
I asked on 51nb and it seems that the USB-c will not have thunderbolt support on x2100. Yes the processor's built-in usb-c subsystem should have native thunderbolt support, but maybe they opted to get usb3 signal from the PCH instead so there's minimal change in the motherboard design from x210? I directed this question to HOPE about the specific hardware design but only got a generic answer (something along the lines of "they don't have time to do development and testing for thunderbolt"). Guess we'd have to wait till the board comes out to know the situation.

I do have interest in learning about / trying to port Coreboot to x2100 once I get my board. But my past exposure to Coreboot is a bit limited (only compiled for x230 before, never done porting). And I don't have access to intel documents like the EDS or FWG. There's currently no Coreboot support for any 10th gen motherboard, so I imagine it will be quite a bit harder to get it to work than corebooting x210, which is based on the librem 13 work.

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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#10 Post by harryK » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:30 am

flyingfishfinger wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:07 pm
EDIT2: A different mPCIe USB-C card appears under lspci just fine. So either my M.2 card is damaged or the port is not enabled properly. I'm attempting a return to see if I can claim a DOA replacement and whether said replacement works...
Care to share which mPCIe card you are testing? Also, where are you going place the USB-C connector in the X210 case? Asking for a friend :-D

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Re: Anyone tried non-storage devices in X210 M.2 slot?

#11 Post by flyingfishfinger » Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:25 pm

harryK wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:30 am
Asking for a friend
Mmhm sure :)

The working one is this guy.

And I'm thinking of giving up the SATA Bay for this, so I'd carve out a port in the drive cover. I've got at least one extra.

R

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