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P71 Running Windows 7

#1 Post by TPFanatic » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:32 am

9 2 2021 Update #2

These are the drivers I installed for Win 7 on the P71. As for installing Win 7, I had first installed this environment on a T430 with Optimus, then moved that drive into the P71, and it booted with no problem. The Nvidia Optimus driver apparently auto updated itself to a version already with provisions for the P3000.

Intel AC Wifi wifi_21.40.5_proset64_win7.exe https://downloadmirror.intel.com/29421/ ... 4_win7.exe
Intel HD Graphics 630 KBL_2120164508_Win7_81.zip https://dlsvr04.asus.com/pub/ASUS/misc/ ... in7_81.zip
Intel USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller nz0ys02w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/nz0ys02w.exe
Intel USB 3.1 Driver n1ey104w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/n1ey104w.exe
Intel PRO/1000 LAN Adapter Software nz1rw02w_64.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobi ... 02w_64.exe
Synaptics ThinkPad Ultranav Driver n1egw19w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/n1egw19w.exe
Intel Chipset Driver n1eha07w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/n1eha07w.exe
Intel 8260 Bluetooth Driver n1dwv10w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/n1dwv10w.exe
Thunderbolt Software n1etd07w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/n1etd07w.exe
Realtek MultiCard Driver For Windows 10 1803 Or Older n1ux105w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/n1ux105w.exe (Says Win 10, but worked on 7)
Lenovo Touch Fingerprint Software w7fpt4a0_64.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobi ... 4a0_64.exe
Synaptics Metallica MOC Touch Fingerprint Reader Driver n1mgf03w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/n1mgf03w.exe (Says Win 8.1, but worked for me on Win 7)

I remain with four "Other devices" without drivers:

PCI Device, I believe this uses the Realtek Audio Driver n1ca128w.exe https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/n1ca128w.exe, but my audio is fine with the Microsoft drivers.
PCI Simple Communications Controller, this is Intel ME, I'm leaving this not installed.
Unknown device Hardware ID INT0E0C, this is because Intel SGX is enabled in BIOS, Lenovo says to disable SGX for this to go away, I'm not worried about it. https://support.lenovo.com/ca/en/soluti ... r-thinkpad
Unknown Device Hardware ID MSFT0101, this is the TPM device, this is resolved by manually installing Win 7's built-in TPM 2.1 driver. https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-u ... tpm-device


9 2 2021 Update #1

I have completed* setting up Windows 7 on the P71 and will share a collection of the drivers I used for this.
*Intel ME driver deliberately not installed.

TouchPad Palm rejection is much better with the Win 7 Synaptics driver without even touching its settings, which there are far more of than the Precision stuff in Win 10. This makes the machine a lot more Trackpoint friendly and ergo usable.


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I decided to buy a P71 and it arrived today. It has the i7 7700HQ, P3000, and 4K and it's currently running the Win 10 it came with on the M2 SSD it came with. I managed to boot Win 7 by transplanting an SSD with 7 installed into the P71. Kaby Lake is the first Intel chipset generation to have no Win 7 support from Intel, neither Lenovo. But some other OEMs (eg. Asus) have Win 7 drivers for Kaby Lake, and Lenovo's offers some Win 7 drivers for the P70 that are compatible with the P71's equipment. But I haven't finished setting up the Win 7 environment.

4K on the 17.3" is 255 PPI, and at native scaling everything is substantially smaller than 14" QHD at 210 PP. But I've gotten used to the tiny fonts. Physically the LCD is only 0.25" taller than a 15.4". One idea was to replace someone's old T500 with WUXGA (147 PPI) with this P71, since it's the only modern ThinkPad series with a physically larger screen.

P71 is the last ThinkPad I'm aware of with an optical bay, and it's a 9.5mm unit. Granted this one came with the blank insert. P70/P71 have a unique faceplate that you can buy individually on Aliexpress for cheaper than original P70/P71 DVD drives. Encompass no longer has them for sale. No Blu Ray drives were offered, but you can presumably put a P70/P71 faceplate and bracket on any other Blu Ray drive. I think the rear bracket with the screw hole is common with different optical drives, I may even have some leftover from extra HP optical drives, but I've yet to test compatibility.

The P3000 is equivalent to a mobile GTX 1060, it's faster than the P70's top-option M4000M, and my EGPU GTX 960....

P71 interestingly has an Expresscard 34 slot.

The last remaining drive activity indicator is nice to have, and it's still green. (P72 changed it to white, added a Wifi indicator, but also deleted the optical bay and expresscard; P17 has no indicators).

There's redundant dedicated volume control buttons over the numpad, with their own indicator lights, and they are very convenient since you don't have to finagle with the Fn key or compromise the Fn row with FnLock to use them. Stupid since there's plenty of room on this palmrest for a 7th row, but form over function. I don't like the lack of media keys, even CS12 had them albeit in a stupid place, on the arrow keys was perfect. Form over function.

The darn touchpad is huge and Win 10's Precision touchpad settings GUI offer no provisions for disabling edge input, so resting my palm the slightest on the darn touchpad corner under the Trackpoint buttons throws off my Trackpoint inputs, specifically with the middle button that I've set to use as middle click. Gotta hover hand this one, which is not ergonomic. Form over function.

I miss the right click button, but without the 7th row I understand the printscreen button had to go somewhere. In Win 10 Win+Printscreen saves a screenshot to My Pictures and Fn+Printscreen opens a Snip & Stitch app. I'd rather it just open the Snipping Tool app, but Snipping Tool also gives a message about it being replaced with Snip & Stich. Just like the Control Panel it's a holdout from Win 7 despite a redundant Win 10 program also present.

The P71 seems like an experiment in how long I can last with the 6 row. While it's a fine machine and I like big and powerful desktop replacements... it gets me wondering maybe I'd be better off power-housing with an actual desktop and an SK8855. Bad keyboard notwithstanding, this is an incredible laptop.
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Re: P71 Running Windows 7

#2 Post by mikemex » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:05 pm

I still laugh at myself for truly believing once that a laptop is a worthy replacement for a desktop. I remember that, in the mid 2000s, I got rid of the Duron (early Athlon-like AMD economy line) PC I had at the time and replaced it with series of laptops, most notably a T41p. It was a nice laptop: 1400x1050 high resolution with 128MB ATI Discrete graphics. Quite powerful and featured for the time.

Then I realized it was not the same to use a laptop occasionally, than to have to sit on front of it all day. A few days later I was already using an external keyboard and mouse. I didn't buy an external monitor because they were really expensive back then, so I had to suffer the diminutive screen for a while. The last laptop in that brief experiment was a Dell Precision M90. A good machine (still going strong from what I know, I sold it to a friend) but I don't remember taking it out even once. And there I realized how silly is the concept of a "mobile workstation" that is neither a satisfactory laptop (due the bulkiness and weight) nor a satisfactory desktop.

A laptop is like the sidearm of a soldier: you carry it because how small and light it i, so you can always count on it when you need it. It might even save your life one day but no soldier in his right mind would pull his pistol to engage an enemy if a rifle is available. It lacks range and firepower, and it's much more difficult to hit anything with it.
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Re: P71 Running Windows 7

#3 Post by mikemex » Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:16 pm

Sorry, I tend to get carried away... Back on topic:

1) What's the point of leaving AMT uninstalled? From what I know it does nothing, as the ME is always running in the background. And given the amount of things ME is involved, I suspect there might be small but tangible differences in power savings and the like.

2) Other than Windows, what software do you install on your machines as standard?

3) What a nice laptop! It seems like a decent replacement for my W530 if I ever retire it. I still consider the optical drive quite useful and the ExpressCard slot is probably 3.0, so another place to put an extra SSD in (see this).
Main (x2): 6700 | RX170Q | 32GB | 1TB SU800 | 4TB HD | Radeon 7850 | 21.5 FHD
X301: SU9600 | 8GB | 400GB S3610
T420s: 2640m | 16GB | 128GB PM831 | HD+ 4200M | FP | BT
W530: 2740qm | 24GB | 1TB SU800 | FHD K1000M | FP | BT
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Re: P71 Running Windows 7

#4 Post by TPFanatic » Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:20 pm

I don't use/need the feature so I've never bothered installing its drivers on any of my systems. Whatever it does in the background doesn't concern me.

My main computer uses nowadays are entirely recreational, mostly media consumption, sometimes media creation, and least often occasional video gaming (all older stuff). Surprisingly I still do a lot with optical drives, reading and burning. For media creation my video editor works on my T420 and I've done a lot with it, but it's slow going. The P71 should be a lot faster. Back to the T420, even with the QHD mod I still find myself wanting more screen, which the P71 delivers. P71 is an upgrade in all departments except the keyboard, but the more utility I find in the machine, the more willing I am to let the lack of a 7th row and intelligent layout slide. At least I have Win 7.

That is a very neat Expresscard device! I'm still very new to the modern SSD world. The P71 has two M.2 slots and the 2.5" slot, thankfully pre-equipped on this machine so I don't have to prep it myself, like the optical drive. I've ordered an HP BU20N 9.5mm Blu Ray burner on eBay and a P71 bezel and bracket on Ali Express to get that operational.


edit 9/9/21

I've made some more discoveries:
1. My previously linked driver for the SD card reader, for P50/P70, doesn't actually do anything for the P71. The reader itself must have changed between generations. I've replaced the link with the Win 10 1803 Or Older driver for the P71's card reader, because lo and behold, installing this driver under Windows 7 works.

2. For us Menu Key / Right Click Key lovers, Shift+F10 is Windows's own hotkey for opening the Menu. Just another thing to get used to on the 6 row, which lacks the Menu Key, but I can get used to it.

3. The Realtek audio driver was necessary to install for the P71 to play well with my headset.

last edit:

The P71 is great. I love it.
lenovo T420 i5 2520m 16GB QHD w/ eGPU GTX 960
lenovos T520 i7 2720qm 8GB FHD, T420s i5 3320m 8GB QHD, T430 i5 3320m 8GB FHD, T430 i5 3320m 8GB FHD w/ Optimus, S1 Yoga i7 4600u 8GB FHD
IBM X601 Tablet L7500 8GB SXGA+
Enable 2 finger scroll on old Synaptics touchpads.

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