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What do you do with Linux?

#1 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:20 pm

I'm a Windows person and I'm just curious, what do you Linux for, and is it Linux only?
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#2 Post by axur-delmeria » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:05 am

Pretty much what I used to do on Windows, I guess?

Web browsing, typing documents, listening to music, watching videos, etc.

Sometimes I go exploring the software repository in a "what does this program do?" mode, or try to look for alternatives for the default programs.
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What do you do with Linux?

#3 Post by Omineca » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:06 am

Almost everything: browsing, word processing and spreadsheets, Skype, music and movies....

The only exceptions are for a few proprietary programs (BlackBerry Link and autoloaders) and interfaces that won't work with anything but Windows. I've been trying not to buy anything like that for a few years now, but it seems almost inevitable that you'll bump into the odd program you need that requires Windows (like my tax software). I just keep a copy of Windows ready to dual boot in those cases, because I can't be bothered to fiddle around with Virtualbox USB connections, etc.
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#4 Post by ajkula66 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:05 pm

My Roland/Boss recording software requires windows (or osx) as does my blackberry. Everything else that I do -not all that much nowadays - is covered by linux
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#5 Post by mydreamlaptop » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:53 am

Pretty much almost everything... I started switching over after it became clear around Windows 8/8.1 time that Microsoft wasn't going to make a stable desktop operating system.
Large corporations rarely admit mistakes. They never went back on the Ribbon even though screens got shorter.

So if I have to learn a completely new OS anyway, might as well go Linux.

Then the whole AdvertisingID/Cortana/Keylogging/Telemetry issue came out, for pretty much everyone, not just Insiders as previously expected and that pretty much sealed the deal. (Now every large corporation is getting hacked, even the credit bureaus are not immune. The kind of data MS could collect with W10 has the potential to be a major disaster once even a little of it leaks. Or they could use it themselves for whatever.) I was shocked and appalled.

Of course you will never get 100% with any single operating system, so it pays to have a plan ready for when the Windows security update period ends. Keep your options open.

I imaged my W7 install, took the free W10 upgrade offer on the last day, imaged W10 and then restored W7. So I have the license for W10 in case of need for software that doesn't support W7.

If you need to use proprietary things, virtualization and/or a dedicated, air-gapped cheap computer for each workflow helps to keep things isolated. If it needs an internet connection then things get way more complicated.

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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#6 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:15 am

Since many people have more than one computer nowadays, run your preferred OS on your main machine and the rarely-needed OS on your old-timer.
A usable W7 can go down as far as T43/p.
The same (and any newer and many older) machine(s) can run Linux.
My suggestion for still up-to-date: X230 and/or T430/T530 with the classic keyboard mod.

My only Linux (currently Debian Jessie) machine so far is an X200s with WXGA+.
Everything else runs W7 with one exception: my T23 still runs XP and is only used to remove Supervisor passwords and Computrace.
It never goes online, even though it can.

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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#7 Post by shawross » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:35 pm

All my machines are on Windows 7 but eventually I intend to start exploring Linux.

I will probably dual boot a machine and then go from there.

Yes I like to keep my options open also and being under the control of big corporations like MS makes me ill.

I worry MS will inject EOL bugs to W 7 but we can wait and see.
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#8 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:48 pm

shawross wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:35 pm
I worry MS will inject EOL bugs to W 7 but we can wait and see.
Lock the system down by disabling WU and you'll have nothing to worry about IMO...
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#9 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:50 pm

Until they create their own EternalBlue 'bug' in a new update disguised as a security patch, then use it install the EOL crap.

The new Microsoft motto should be: We only did it to screw you!
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#10 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:56 pm

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:50 pm
Until they create their own EternalBlue 'bug' in a new update disguised as a security patch, then use it install the EOL crap.
I might have not been clear enough: *any* and *all* Windows-related updates from M$ are to be avoided. My systems running W7 have all been locked down for quite some time now, ever since the first signs of telemetry and other nonsense getting pushed through WU. Nothing bad has happened as a result of this policy, and I don't believe that it ever will.

Obviously, YMMV.
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#11 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:03 pm

Ahhh, OK. That makes sense. No patches what so ever.

The other problem comes in when they find the next 'EternalBlue' exploit that they will use against unpatched machines, and implement through patched machines using WU.

Only time will tell to see how evil the programmers at Microsoft really are, which they have proven to be quite so with Windows 10 spying and the free upgrade annoy-a-tron.
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#12 Post by shawross » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:26 pm

I think MS are fairly busy trying to perfect Windows 10 and its tentacles at present.

Also there have been some ransom-ware patches this year and such but yes disabling all updates is definitely an option.

Currently I only install security updates but in truth I am concerned about Google, MS, Intel and Lenovo. YMMV
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#13 Post by micrex22 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:52 pm

shawross wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:26 pm
I think MS are fairly busy trying to perfect Windows 10 and its tentacles at present.

Also there have been some ransom-ware patches this year and such but yes disabling all updates is definitely an option.

Currently I only install security updates but in truth I am concerned about Google, MS, Intel and Lenovo. YMMV
I guess the answer is a T40/41/42/43 with ArcaOS ;)

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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#14 Post by edik » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:34 pm

I use Linux primarily for running the IDEA IDE and developing Software (Kotlin and Java)... it means I can use a terminal (xterm) which is a bit like the DOS Box on a Windows machine, and from that xterm I do huge amounts of work.

Downside is the battery management nowhere near as good as Windows as no Lenovo Battery/Power Management drivers, and for me no native OneNote (need to use it over the web browser) which I like to use.

Have run Linux ever since 2005 on ThinkPads, now about the same experience except Suspend/Hibernate/Resume are far better supported and work out of the box.

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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#15 Post by rumbero » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:18 am

edik wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:34 pm
Downside is the battery management nowhere near as good as Windows as no Lenovo Battery/Power Management drivers,
Maybe this helps a bit: linrunner.de/en/tlp/tlp.html.
There are packages already available in both Debian and Fedora.
Works like a charm for me in Debian.
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#16 Post by edik » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:19 am

I have started running tlp... will see if improvements... :)

Only problem no cycle count available but I fix this by booting from an external USB SATA drive with Windows 7 and Lenovo Power Manager to view cycles if I need.

It seems the BAT1 discharge stops at 5% before switching to BAT0... this is good.. it doesn't 100% deplete the external battery.

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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#17 Post by evening_hunger » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:49 am

Alternative route - which, again I can confirm only for Debian as that's what I use - is to use smapi packages, such as tp-smapi-dkms. This is not strictly the same as tlp others are using. Anyhow, running this I see (by grepping from lsmod) following kernel modules loaded associated with Thinkpad power management: thinkpad_acpi, tp_smapi, hdaps.
This way, without de facto having tlp, I can easily see battery cycles:

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$ cat /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/cycle_count 
72
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#18 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:10 pm

Another suggested package for tlp is acpi-call-dkms (in Debian, at least).
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#19 Post by edik » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:08 pm

tp-smapi-dkms
acpi-call-dkms
I think both of these modules work only on the T430 and X430 series and lower, on any newer machines they either don't load or don't report battery cycle information...

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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#20 Post by thinkpadgeek91 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:15 pm

I run ubuntu and use it 90% of the time for home use. I still haven't switched over entirely to linux but I will say this, my X61 has ubuntu on it as the sole OS, and my primary laptop has more resources dedicated to a ubuntu VM than to Windows 10. I use Windows 7 more on my T500 than I run Windows 10 on my E570. :D
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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#21 Post by tom lightbody » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:32 am

I've been using Linux since the old days of kernel 12c in 1991.
The graceful power is appealing, of hooking together the special purpose
programs sed, grep, awk and the rest, for data/text processing.

and of course there's always "(g)cc" for heavy duty work.

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Re: What do you do with Linux?

#22 Post by edik » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:52 am

I always though battery life (even with tlp) sucked under Linux.... I take that back...

With the 6-cell extended battery 72Wh (Actually reports 74Wh 104%...) on the T450 I am achieving what seems like 12 hours+ battery life under quite heavy usage.

Amazing!

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