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SP3 Windows XP... what's the verdict?
SP3 Windows XP... what's the verdict?
I was wondering what you guys thought about the SP3 upgrade and also whether there were any problems with the upgrade along with any conflicts with the previous thinkpad settings. I just tried it out and frankly find it to boot a bit faster... besides that I DUNNO but thought it would be nice to hear what others have to say about it.
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I was skeptical at first.
On a few recoveries I ran SP3 instead of downloading 100 updates. A big time saver.
I have installed this service pack about five times so far.
Before I tried on my production ThinkPad I cloned the hard drive just in case. Ran the update and found no trouble.
On one particular desktop that was having trouble and I was considering a completely new install everything now works after this update. I was surprised.
I don't have any benchmarks but the seat of the pants feels a bit faster.
I would give it a thumbs up.
Brad
On a few recoveries I ran SP3 instead of downloading 100 updates. A big time saver.
I have installed this service pack about five times so far.
Before I tried on my production ThinkPad I cloned the hard drive just in case. Ran the update and found no trouble.
On one particular desktop that was having trouble and I was considering a completely new install everything now works after this update. I was surprised.
I don't have any benchmarks but the seat of the pants feels a bit faster.
I would give it a thumbs up.
Brad
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T43p 2669-Q1U, A22p's UTU A21p HXU
Transnote, 770's 8AU, 600, 701CS, 755CD
T43p 2669-Q1U, A22p's UTU A21p HXU
Transnote, 770's 8AU, 600, 701CS, 755CD
I've installed SP3 on a desktop and an older Thinkpad T30 - the installations was relatively fast and painless, however I can see no difference after the installation ...
Jakob Bindslet, Denmark
Primary: T460s
Secondary: Surface Pro 4, X1gen2
Previously owned: W550s, T450, T430s, X200s, 600x, X32, T40, T42, T61
Primary: T460s
Secondary: Surface Pro 4, X1gen2
Previously owned: W550s, T450, T430s, X200s, 600x, X32, T40, T42, T61
Installation was painless and fast (under 5 min).....no noticable changes, although Office 2003 and AdobeReader 8.1.2 appear to start faster (but I reinstalled OS, so don't know for sure what is the cause)..... WinRar benchmark shows same score SP2vsSP3 (around 800kb/s @ T2300). Verdict? Saves time after OS instalation? Guilty. Improves performance? Not guilty......
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The Download Squad blog says that it's available through the Microsoft Update page. Since I've had it installed for a little while now on my T42p I can't verify whether or not this is the case. I'll check on my 700m, which doesn't have SP3 yet.jdhurst wrote:Has it been truly released yet? As late as yesterday, it was still not available as a download. I have a version from a time before Microsoft pulled it from their site. I would like to get the final version, but it was not readily available from Mircrosoft when I looked. ... JDH
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HP Pavilion dv7-2109tx
HP Pavilion dv7-2109tx
Just installed SP3 from Microsoft Update last night without issue. The updated system had been fully-patched before installing SP3. So far I can't see any difference.
Mark
X61T 7764-CTO, Core 2 Duo L7500 LV 1.6 GHz, 4 GB RAM, 120 GB Intel X25M SSD
Multiboot w/Grub4DOS -- Windows 10, MustangPE, PartedMagic
My ex: X41T (2005 - 2009)
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Windows Update brought the offer of updating to SP3 this morning (in the UK.) Tried 3 times to do the update, including the suggestion in another thread of making sure the s/w update service was set to automatic. Download said that it would be 66MB (I recall). Each time it would not proceed into install.
So ended up trying http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929,
which gave me to the download link under 'Obtain the latest Windows XP service pack from the Microsoft Download Center
' http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... 1555D4F3D4
This gave a me a download of 330MB. I was then able to run the installer. It took about 30 mins to install, but all seems OK now. Too early to notice any differences.
So ended up trying http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929,
which gave me to the download link under 'Obtain the latest Windows XP service pack from the Microsoft Download Center
' http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... 1555D4F3D4
This gave a me a download of 330MB. I was then able to run the installer. It took about 30 mins to install, but all seems OK now. Too early to notice any differences.
IBM ThinkPad T43-2668-F5G,
T41p-2373-GEG & a T61-6466-9YG
T41p-2373-GEG & a T61-6466-9YG
I tried downloading SP 3 through Windows update last night. It took three attempts to get the 66 MB file to download. Installation was quick, but I noticed that all network connections stopped functioning; they were listed as being off/disconnected in Access Connections.
I'm suspecting some sort of software conflict (maybe SP 3 forcing Windows to wrest control of all network settings) on my T42 that I could not resolve. Uninstalling AC 4.52 and setting up a new connection through Windows did not work. I had to restore my system from a recent disk image to regain function as I didn't have the time futz around for a solution.
I also had this problem when installing the new version of PC-Doctor (v. 5) recently. Is there a known issue that causes these programs not to play nice with AC?
-Tim
I'm suspecting some sort of software conflict (maybe SP 3 forcing Windows to wrest control of all network settings) on my T42 that I could not resolve. Uninstalling AC 4.52 and setting up a new connection through Windows did not work. I had to restore my system from a recent disk image to regain function as I didn't have the time futz around for a solution.
I also had this problem when installing the new version of PC-Doctor (v. 5) recently. Is there a known issue that causes these programs not to play nice with AC?
-Tim
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T410 2516-CTO | 2.66 GHz i7-620M, 6 GB, 512 MB NVIDIA 3100m, 160 GB SSD
T410 2516-CTO | 2.66 GHz i7-620M, 6 GB, 512 MB NVIDIA 3100m, 160 GB SSD
I picked it up here - straight from Microsoft (publish date: 5/6/2008):
XP SP3 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals and Developers
- Full stand-alone installer (316MB)
XP-SP3 for IT Professionals - Checked Build (Debug Build)
- Stand-alone installer (342MB)
- **NOTE -- This installation package is intended for IT professionals and developers downloading
to a machine intending to debug or develop software on Windows XP Service Pack 3 ONLY.
I'll be installing SP3 but I'll clone the drive (running SP2 right now) before committing to anything.
BTW, FYI regarding the loss of connectivity. This problem is a well-known issue with SP3 - more info available on technet forums and elsewhere. This new "update/upgrade" overwrites a number of LAN/WAN drivers (updates to newer version), which breaks the current connectivity drivers-set on many computers. You should be able to find out which drivers are changed by looking at the SP3 installation log and then replace the new ones with the older drivers, then you should be set.
Re-installing LAN/WAN drivers does not always work as a quick fix either ...
XP SP3 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals and Developers
- Full stand-alone installer (316MB)
XP-SP3 for IT Professionals - Checked Build (Debug Build)
- Stand-alone installer (342MB)
- **NOTE -- This installation package is intended for IT professionals and developers downloading
to a machine intending to debug or develop software on Windows XP Service Pack 3 ONLY.
I'll be installing SP3 but I'll clone the drive (running SP2 right now) before committing to anything.
BTW, FYI regarding the loss of connectivity. This problem is a well-known issue with SP3 - more info available on technet forums and elsewhere. This new "update/upgrade" overwrites a number of LAN/WAN drivers (updates to newer version), which breaks the current connectivity drivers-set on many computers. You should be able to find out which drivers are changed by looking at the SP3 installation log and then replace the new ones with the older drivers, then you should be set.
Re-installing LAN/WAN drivers does not always work as a quick fix either ...
Last edited by icantux on Wed May 07, 2008 2:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
You probably are running ATI drivers - right? SP3 breaks the ATI drivers and renders many functions useless. It's a known "issue" with SP3.Nick Y wrote:Update to my comment above. I seem to be unable to rotate the display on my external monitor (Iiyama H481S) which is a real pain as I am trying to extract data from portrait scans.
Reverting to Sp2 for the moment.
Here's a partial explanation of the issue (Microsoft help & support site):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947309/
Good to know. Guess I'll stick with SP2 for the time being until IBM/Lenovo catches up with AC and the network drivers.icantux wrote:BTW, FYI regarding the loss of connectivity. This problem is a well-known issue with SP3 - more info available on technet forums and elsewhere. This new "update/upgrade" overwrites a number of LAN/WAN drivers (updates to newer version), which breaks the current connectivity drivers-set on many computers. You should be able to find out which drivers are changed by looking at the SP3 installation log and then replace the new ones with the older drivers, then you should be set.
Re-installing LAN/WAN drivers does not always work as a quick fix either ...
I don't need the SP3 "excitement" just yet.
T42(p) 2379-DXU | 15" FlexView, 2.0 GHz, 2 GB, 128 MB FireGL T2 mobo, UJ-842 Multi-Burner, 100 GB 7200 RPM, Dock II
T410 2516-CTO | 2.66 GHz i7-620M, 6 GB, 512 MB NVIDIA 3100m, 160 GB SSD
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One issue I need to know about is whether or not IE7 is included
in SP3. In Microsoft Update I have excluded IE7 from the updates
because I don't want it for various reasons.
I suspect that if I go for the 66MB update that IE7 will be
included.
I wonder if there's any way around that.
Marc
in SP3. In Microsoft Update I have excluded IE7 from the updates
because I don't want it for various reasons.
I suspect that if I go for the 66MB update that IE7 will be
included.
I wonder if there's any way around that.
Marc
T21 (2647-4BU) - PIII 800 MHz - 512MB RAM - Seagate Momentus 60GB HDD - Win XP Pro SP3
3Com Mini PCI Ethernet/56K - Dynex DX-E201 USB 2.0 2-port PC card
On Dock II: Fujitsu 30GB HDD, PNY Quadro NVS 280 64MB, Dual 19" LCD Monitors - Slackware Linux 12.2
3Com Mini PCI Ethernet/56K - Dynex DX-E201 USB 2.0 2-port PC card
On Dock II: Fujitsu 30GB HDD, PNY Quadro NVS 280 64MB, Dual 19" LCD Monitors - Slackware Linux 12.2
SP3 didn't affect my WiFi driver (Atheros) and I thought it might. All is intact. But where is this log you mention? It does not appear to be in my local temp folder.icantux wrote:<snip>
BTW, FYI regarding the loss of connectivity. This problem is a well-known issue with SP3 - more info available on technet forums and elsewhere. This new "update/upgrade" overwrites a number of LAN/WAN drivers (updates to newer version), which breaks the current connectivity drivers-set on many computers. You should be able to find out which drivers are changed by looking at the SP3 installation log and then replace the new ones with the older drivers, then you should be set.
Re-installing LAN/WAN drivers does not always work as a quick fix either ...
Also, I see the uninstall folder in Windows is well over 1/2 Gb, so between the download, install and uninstall capability, it chewed up over a gigabyte on a now-strained system.
.. JDH
SP3 will not update IE6 to IE7. Here is further info.marcdw wrote:One issue I need to know about is whether or not IE7 is included in SP3.
Mark
X61T 7764-CTO, Core 2 Duo L7500 LV 1.6 GHz, 4 GB RAM, 120 GB Intel X25M SSD
Multiboot w/Grub4DOS -- Windows 10, MustangPE, PartedMagic
My ex: X41T (2005 - 2009)
X61T 7764-CTO, Core 2 Duo L7500 LV 1.6 GHz, 4 GB RAM, 120 GB Intel X25M SSD
Multiboot w/Grub4DOS -- Windows 10, MustangPE, PartedMagic
My ex: X41T (2005 - 2009)
Phase 2 - updating the X41 Tablet PC did not go as well. The download from Microsoft Update kept stalling and I could not get it to finish. Each attempt left a 0.6 GB download folder in \Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Downloads. I tried several workarounds to get the installer to complete but they all failed, so I restored an image of the machine from last week, and then SP3 downloaded and installed.
After installation, the amount of disk space used had increased by 2.1 GB! Obviously, something went wrong. MU did not clean up after itself, leaving 0.6 GB in the \Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Downloads folder that had to be deleted manually. System Restore was consuming another 0.8 GB, and the \Windows\$Uninstall$\ file for SP3 was consuming another 0.5 GB. After deleting those the total disk space impact of SP3 on the X41T appears to be 0.2 GB and things appear to be working well.
After installation, the amount of disk space used had increased by 2.1 GB! Obviously, something went wrong. MU did not clean up after itself, leaving 0.6 GB in the \Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Downloads folder that had to be deleted manually. System Restore was consuming another 0.8 GB, and the \Windows\$Uninstall$\ file for SP3 was consuming another 0.5 GB. After deleting those the total disk space impact of SP3 on the X41T appears to be 0.2 GB and things appear to be working well.
Mark
X61T 7764-CTO, Core 2 Duo L7500 LV 1.6 GHz, 4 GB RAM, 120 GB Intel X25M SSD
Multiboot w/Grub4DOS -- Windows 10, MustangPE, PartedMagic
My ex: X41T (2005 - 2009)
X61T 7764-CTO, Core 2 Duo L7500 LV 1.6 GHz, 4 GB RAM, 120 GB Intel X25M SSD
Multiboot w/Grub4DOS -- Windows 10, MustangPE, PartedMagic
My ex: X41T (2005 - 2009)
(Dan, is that you?)
I've done three machines in the past 24hrs. I had to attempt the T30 3 or 4 times before the download process would begin. The other machines went somewhat quicker, probably close to an hour duration was the fastest time from start to completion.
I have to wait to update the 4th machine. Corporate office has to put their stamp of approval on it first.
Is there a simple list that describes major changes with SP3?
Thanks.
I've done three machines in the past 24hrs. I had to attempt the T30 3 or 4 times before the download process would begin. The other machines went somewhat quicker, probably close to an hour duration was the fastest time from start to completion.
I have to wait to update the 4th machine. Corporate office has to put their stamp of approval on it first.
Is there a simple list that describes major changes with SP3?
Thanks.
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Microsoft Knowledge Base 946480. May 6, 2008.... List of fixes that are included in Windows XP Service Pack 3uberT wrote:Is there a simple list that describes major changes with SP3?
Cheers,
Bill B.
I take it that the stand-alone installer has the same version of the update as does what is obtained from Windows Update?
Hopefully there will be some sort of update/workaround for many of the software conflict issues caused by SP3. I'm not particularly keen on having to troubleshoot network problems for several hours after applying SP3.
Hopefully there will be some sort of update/workaround for many of the software conflict issues caused by SP3. I'm not particularly keen on having to troubleshoot network problems for several hours after applying SP3.
T42(p) 2379-DXU | 15" FlexView, 2.0 GHz, 2 GB, 128 MB FireGL T2 mobo, UJ-842 Multi-Burner, 100 GB 7200 RPM, Dock II
T410 2516-CTO | 2.66 GHz i7-620M, 6 GB, 512 MB NVIDIA 3100m, 160 GB SSD
T410 2516-CTO | 2.66 GHz i7-620M, 6 GB, 512 MB NVIDIA 3100m, 160 GB SSD
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