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T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#1 Post by rychuu » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:46 am

Hello,

I'm looking for any solution which allow me to use Sata drive in place of the classic pata drive. Is there any solution?

I belive that on this forum somebody have already found the idea how to do this.

I must use the sata drive with the dvd drive together.

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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:08 am

You'll have to forget about that, it can only be done on the T43 or R52.
T40/T41/T42 do not have the required hardware for it.
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#3 Post by rychuu » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:40 am

I'm thinking about small adapter between hdd and rest of the computer... Is it unpractiseable?

Is it practiseable by an adpater to ultrabay? Most of them have on compatibility list t40p...
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#4 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:00 am

You could use a SATA drive in the Ultrabay.
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

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#6 Post by rychuu » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:24 am

Is the nobody have idea to put between hdd and rest of laptop? only intesad of cdrom?

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#7 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:35 am

Re-read RealBlackStuff's response to your question... :roll:
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#8 Post by rychuu » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:08 pm

ok, I am undrestand, the only way to do this is the odd swap.

Is it possible to boot the compouter from hdd in this adapter?
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#9 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:22 pm

Yes it is.
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#10 Post by Johan » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:45 pm

rychuu wrote:I'm looking for any solution which allow me to use SATA drive in place of the classic PATA drive. Is there any solution?

I belive that on this forum somebody have already found the idea how to do this.

I must use the SATA drive with the DVD drive together.
First, I wonder what is the reasons behind your wanting to use a SATA HDD in your T40p? Would you mind to share that with us?

Next, and in contrast to the senior ThinkPad'ers who in this thread have replied "no" to your question... I beg to differ, because the answer is actually yes it can be done... as discussed in the thread 1.8" SATA to 2.5" IDE converter? (if in a hurry, skip the first couple of pages and read e.g. from this post and on). In short, what you can do is to get a 1.8" SATA to 2.5" PATA adapter, and then get a 1.8" SATA drive (be it a mechanical hard drive or a solid state drive), mount the 1.8" drive in the adapter, and mount the adapter in the main 2.5" HDD bay of your T4x/p PATA ThinkPad and that's it! Unfortunately, there are only very few 1.8" SATA HDD's available, so you'd (probably) be much better off with a fast (although expensive) 1.8" SATA SDD... :-)

PS: Please keep questions and comments about the 1.8" SATA to 2.5" PATA adapter in the above-mentioned thread... thanks.

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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#11 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:05 pm

@Johan:
Out of curiosity: I have yet to see notification of success (or not) with converting YOUR T42...
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#12 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:40 pm

Let's see...

Invest roughly $35 in parts, plus accept the limitation to a small/expensive selection of 1.8" SATA drives - be it conventional or SSD - to get a modification of the *original* T4x platform with its PATA transfer speeds and 400Mhz FSB along with 266 Mhz RAM speed or...

a) Spend $10 on an Ultrabay adapter and use *any* 2.5" laptop SATA drive or

b) Sell the aforementioned T40p, add $35 or a pinch more and buy a barebone T60/R60 that natively support SATA drives... :!:

Unless someone can prove that transfer speeds with the above caddy/adapter combo are significantly faster than they are with a drive comparable installed in UltraBay, I rest my case...
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#13 Post by The Spirit of X21 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:42 pm

I can definitely see George's position, and if we're trying to be practical about this I think he has the right idea.

Nonetheless, I am always interested in seeing whether or not things can be done just for the sake of being able to do them and learn, and for that I am thankful that Johan has provided his input.

Is it safe to say, Johan, that there isn't an adapter that would allow one to fit a 2.5" SATA drive in the hard drive bay of a T40/1/2?
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#14 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:03 pm

The Spirit of X21 wrote:
Is it safe to say, Johan, that there isn't an adapter that would allow one to fit a 2.5" SATA drive in the hard drive bay of a T40/1/2?
I can answer this one for you, old chum... :D

No, there isn't. And given the space limitations, there will likely never be one.
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#15 Post by rychuu » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:12 pm

hello,

I see that not quite properly been understood, therefore repeat:

I would like to somehow put the disk in the bay 2.5 "PATA other disk 2.5" SATA.

Why? Because I have a lot of bigger, faster, quieter SATA drives. I would like to use them.

Again, for me it is important to start such a disk in a pocket on the first drive. Not in ulatrabay.

I must copy a lot of CDs, so I need the disk, and I need the CDROM, not as an external drive.

After all, I began to wonder if T40 is in general support for SATA drives in Ultrabay? Does anyone uses it and can say that the performance is comparable with the PATA drive?

For me important is to have a sata drive and ODD. However, if this can not be safely placed in the pocket of the normal, first drive, I'd like before you buy the ultra bay adapter to make sure that everything will work ...

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#16 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:18 pm

You can NOT put a 2.5" SATA drive in the (PATA) hard drive bay of a T40/T41/T42, period.
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#17 Post by rychuu » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:45 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:You can NOT put a 2.5" SATA drive in the (PATA) hard drive bay of a T40/T41/T42, period.

okay...


Did anyone uses T40 and SATA ultrabay adapter ? Is it works? What with the access time, transfers, performance?

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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#18 Post by Johan » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:34 am

The Spirit of X21 wrote:Is it safe to say, Johan, that there isn't an adapter that would allow one to fit a 2.5" SATA drive in the hard drive bay of a T40/1/2?
ajkula66 wrote:I can answer this one for you, old chum... :D

No, there isn't. And given the space limitations, there will likely never be one.
Once again, I beg to disagree... because there is at least one report of a user who modified his (15") T42p to hold a 1 GB 2.5" SATA HDD (!!) in the main (PATA) HDD bay as discussed in the thread Mod: SATA-Festplatte intern mit bis zu 1TB für T40/p - T42/p which may be a bit difficult to read for those not fluent in English, but with the help of Google Translate you'll find a translation here.

As is obvious this is a modification for the more advanced user, but nevertheless this shows how to put a 2.5" SATA HDD in a T42/p PATA HDD main bay. Very impressive! 8)

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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#19 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:15 am

My (high-school era) German is definitely quite rusty, but if I'm reading that thread correctly there are several individuals whose pre-T43 machines had issues initializing SATA drives after this mod... :?:
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#20 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:46 am

@Johan:
please stop promoting the idea of a 2.5" SATA drive in a T40/T41/T42.
The folks on the German forum have nothing but problems, and the efforts are way beyond reasonable, without even having a guarantee that it works.

The only feasible option would probably be a 1.8" SSD with a microSATA-IDE adapter, the whole thing to be built ONLY into a 15" T4x.
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#21 Post by MnR » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:03 am

Hi,

Without selling your old thinkpad and buying a T60 Would be to use the Second Hard Drive Caddy (SATA TO PATA) and get an external case (USB) for your Optical Drive.

This way you would still have the main drive, A Second (SATA) hard drive and your Burner.

But Like George said it Might be cheaper to sell yours and get a T60.

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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#22 Post by rychuu » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:16 am

MnR wrote: Hard Drive Caddy (SATA TO PATA) a
did you talking about Ultrabay SATA or PATA dapters?

Is it works in T40? SATA adapter?
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#23 Post by cadillacmike68 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:38 pm

THIS is one of the reasons I never got into the T40 series. :wink:
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#24 Post by cadillacmike68 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:45 pm

If the OP ABSOLUTELY MUST have his DVD in the system, he should consider getting an advanced dock (or dock II) with the built in Ultrabay, put the DVD in there and put his 2nd HDD in the Thinkpad's Ultrabay.

On the plus side the Thinkpad can even boot off the SATA HDD in the Ultrabay if set up correctly.

On the minus side, the advanced dock (or dock II - depends on your Thinkpad type) will set you back a little (or a lot for an advanced dock - but I think the OPs TP will fit a Dock II).

Problem solved. :mrgreen:
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#25 Post by Orclas » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:19 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote: On the plus side the Thinkpad can even boot off the SATA HDD in the Ultrabay if set up correctly.
Yes, but as far as I know, booting from an Ultrabay disk comes with a 30 second boot time penalty (i.e. boot does not start until after 30 sec).

Don't ask me why and how come, I've just picked the info up somewhere on this forum (I think).
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Re: T40p and SATA drive w/o swapping with cdrom

#26 Post by cadillacmike68 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:24 pm

There's always some sort of limitation. If the OP wants 3 spindles in his machine, he has to live with that, or get a newer machine that will take a SATA drive in the main bay.
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