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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#121 Post by E350 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:00 am

Very cool! All, please post your experience with the X62 board!

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#122 Post by murak » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:26 pm

Its exiting that so many ordered! I am very tempted even though I don´t have a X6x. I´m holding out for the "retro" but I might regret it... But if the "retro" turns out not to be all that the potential buyers want/need then there might be another batch of X62 or maybe even a X63.

Anyway, best of luck to you who did order! Hope to see lots of detailed reviews ;)

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#123 Post by mdancer » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:14 am

Rachel from tiptrans wrote me that one need 51nb ID in order to buy the board. Did you guys registered on 51nb in order to obtain one?

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#124 Post by xiphmont » Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:40 am

mdancer wrote:Rachel from tiptrans wrote me that one need 51nb ID in order to buy the board. Did you guys registered on 51nb in order to obtain one?
I did, yes.

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#125 Post by andykrej » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:14 pm

mdancer wrote:Rachel from tiptrans wrote me that one need 51nb ID in order to buy the board. Did you guys registered on 51nb in order to obtain one?
Yes, i also did.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#126 Post by mdancer » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:33 am

I haven't seen in the thread that there are actually 2 versions of the board: X62 and X62s with a smaller fan. I order X62s as a replacement for X61s. Hope this default logic is the right one.

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#127 Post by fatpolomanjr » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:41 am

Someone got into contact with a Chinese seller that is selling complete systems with SXGA+ displays and/or motherboards. Stock is limited, but there is a google form if anyone is intersted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... te/d60ncx2

Using the extra costs and effort of using a middleman to make the purchase as an excuse, I was planning on waiting it out to see how you all fared with ordering and installing the motherboard, and then waiting to see if / when HOPE releases X62 for international sale. But this reddit post has possibly lowered my barrier to entry, rendering my excuse powerless to stop me from embarking with you all on this journey.

Here's to hoping there are language options in the BIOS which is natively written in Chinese, and that it is easy to configure. ;p
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#128 Post by murak » Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:26 am

@fatpolomanjr I saw the reddit post just now as well and I´m finding my self in a difficult situation:

- Wait for the "retro", which might not be all that I want, and miss the opportunity to buy a complete, ready to use X62 thinkpad (with IPS!). Will there be more pre-built laptops like this for the same price next year? Most likely no.

- Buy this laptop now and cope with the possibility that there might be kinks and stuff that don´t make it the ultimate daily driver for ME. Cope with the fact that I would not be able to justify buying the "retro" when its out.

Two questions for the knowledgeable people in this thread: Will a Samsung M2 ssd work at full speed in the X62 and do you think I´m able to just slot in a SWE keyboard in the X62 and it´ll work?
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#129 Post by evening_hunger » Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:57 am

I don't see why there shouldn't be another batch, even into next year, seeing as this sells out quite well. Moreover, some people here believe in mythical T70 (which would be a similar remake of T60/1) and would actually make for a real retro.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#130 Post by murak » Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:35 am

evening_hunger wrote:I don't see why there shouldn't be another batch, even into next year, seeing as this sells out quite well. Moreover, some people here believe in mythical T70 (which would be a similar remake of T60/1) and would actually make for a real retro.
You might be right about more batches, but a pessimistic person is seldom disappointed ;)

A T70 would be very nice! Let's hope it happens!
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#131 Post by zoob » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:57 pm

Just pulled the trigger. Now a one month wait. :eek:

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#132 Post by Bibin » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:19 am

I've just ordered one complete unit, and one motherboard.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#133 Post by fatpolomanjr » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:43 am

Same. The seller sent me payment request for one motherboard, which will be from the second batch of X62.

Due to the success of the X62, they're starting to poll for the designs on the T70 and X210.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#134 Post by evening_hunger » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:01 am

Great to hear that.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#135 Post by Bibin » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:26 am

fatpolomanjr wrote:Same. The seller sent me payment request for one motherboard, which will be from the second batch of X62.

Due to the success of the X62, they're starting to poll for the designs on the T70 and X210.
I'd really love to see an X302, with an IPS display...
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#136 Post by excal32 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:43 pm

Only just found this thread. Are X62 mobos still attainable or did I miss my chance?
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#137 Post by fatpolomanjr » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:52 pm

excal32 wrote:Only just found this thread. Are X62 mobos still attainable or did I miss my chance?
See the reddit link I posted. There were some 7 out of 20 motherboards from the second batch ordered already.

e: It was updated.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... _thread_2/
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#138 Post by 600X » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:29 pm

Bibin wrote:I'd really love to see an X302, with an IPS display...
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#139 Post by shawross » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:58 am

Bibin wrote:I'd really love to see an X302, with an IPS display...
+Ditto

I also think it is possible that in the future we might get adaptable mobo options from a company like Raspberry Pi or maybe Intel.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#140 Post by Bibin » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:26 am

shawross wrote:
Bibin wrote:I'd really love to see an X302, with an IPS display...
+Ditto

I also think it is possible that in the future we might get adaptable mobo options from a company like Raspberry Pi or maybe Intel.
A Raspberry Pi is a substantially worse computer than the X300 motherboard, though.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#141 Post by Bibin » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:10 pm

For anyone getting an X62, I highly recommend flashing this 60Hz HV121P01 EDID to your SXGA+ display so it can run at 60Hz instead of the stock 50Hz. For some content designed for 60fps this is a beneficial change to prevent temporal aliasing stutter. I've written about it here.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#142 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:19 pm

Bibin wrote:A Raspberry Pi is a substantially worse computer than the X300 motherboard, though.
No argument there.
shawross wrote:I also think it is possible that in the future we might get adaptable mobo options from a company like Raspberry Pi or maybe Intel.
If you build it similar to how Norway Pad did with his homemade Retrothinkpad I think it's doable.

You can plug in a Compute Stick, but it might be more like a sidegrade rather than an upgrade from the X301's CPU. Then again, you gain 2 extra cores.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#143 Post by fatpolomanjr » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:20 pm

Bibin wrote:For anyone getting an X62, I highly recommend flashing this 60Hz HV121P01 EDID to your SXGA+ display so it can run at 60Hz instead of the stock 50Hz. For some content designed for 60fps this is a beneficial change to prevent temporal aliasing stutter. I've written about it here.
I read through your article, but I don't know how to ground an eeprom or what a "leg" looks like. After doing so, you flash the display from a command line program in an OS environment like linux or windows right? Not with an external device?

I just modded the metal frame of an X60 Tablet SXGA+ (omg so much cutting with a dremel when you follow the german wiki) and successfully installed one of xiphmont's LED kits, which works beautifully. So before I experience the pain of getting it back into the lid I want to do any further mods while it is out.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#144 Post by shawross » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:58 pm

Bibin wrote: A Raspberry Pi is a substantially worse computer than the X300 motherboard, though.
No question there but in future years this won't be the case IMHO. Today obviously the technology is not there but driven by companies like Arm and Intel with their Xeon Processors you will see amazing advancement.
To think that the Raspberry Pi will not advance any further is a bit short sighted IMO. But how long this technology takes to advance and it what directions we will need to wait and see.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#145 Post by Bibin » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:10 pm

fatpolomanjr wrote:
Bibin wrote:For anyone getting an X62, I highly recommend flashing this 60Hz HV121P01 EDID to your SXGA+ display so it can run at 60Hz instead of the stock 50Hz. For some content designed for 60fps this is a beneficial change to prevent temporal aliasing stutter. I've written about it here.
I read through your article, but I don't know how to ground an eeprom or what a "leg" looks like. After doing so, you flash the display from a command line program in an OS environment like linux or windows right? Not with an external device?

I just modded the metal frame of an X60 Tablet SXGA+ (omg so much cutting with a dremel when you follow the german wiki) and successfully installed one of xiphmont's LED kits, which works beautifully. So before I experience the pain of getting it back into the lid I want to do any further mods while it is out.
Yes, the flashing process was done in Linux. Perhaps Powerstrip will allow it under Windows with some versions.

I wish I had been at a capacity to take more photos at the time. The EEPROM is a small 8-pin chip on the control board of the LCD, which is near the display LVDS connector. Pin #7 is the write protect pin, which must be 1) desoldered from the PCB and lifted gently upwards so as to not make electrical contact, and 2) attached via a small wire to pin #1 on the chip, which provides 3.3V. Once this is complete, the LCD will allow the computer to rewrite its EDID ROM contents using the edid-rw software, or any other software of choice.

The EDID may be rewritten using external solutions, though, as this person did for a monitor: http://www.imsolidstate.com/archives/879
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#146 Post by evening_hunger » Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:01 pm

shawross wrote:
Bibin wrote: A Raspberry Pi is a substantially worse computer than the X300 motherboard, though.
No question there but in future years this won't be the case IMHO. Today obviously the technology is not there but driven by companies like Arm and Intel with their Xeon Processors you will see amazing advancement.
To think that the Raspberry Pi will not advance any further is a bit short sighted IMO. But how long this technology takes to advance and it what directions we will need to wait and see.
I presume (same applies to NorwayPad) the UpBoard could already compete with x301 as it has an Intel Atom at decent freq... while being passively cooled and of identical dimensions to RasPi: http://www.up-board.org/specifications/
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#147 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:26 am

Bibin wrote:Yes, the flashing process was done in Linux. Perhaps Powerstrip will allow it under Windows with some versions.
For Windows you'd need Powerstrip 3.85, build 645: http://downloads.fyxm.net/PowerStrip-95236.html
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#148 Post by opaque_forest » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:39 pm

shawross wrote: I also think it is possible that in the future we might get adaptable mobo options from a company like Raspberry Pi or maybe Intel.
It would be really interesting if Lenovo ever sold the licensing for the x60/t60 casing to raspberry pi so they could make a laptop. If Libreboot was less of a grass roots organization, I'm sure they could join in too. Perhaps remaking old laptops with newer/more powerful/cheaply produced hardware is the way of the future.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#149 Post by excal32 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:03 am

Purchasing these is done by paypal and takes how long before shipping?
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#150 Post by fatpolomanjr » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:59 am

I read that there was a delay and that the second batch wouldn't be finished with production until mid-September.

http://forum.51nb.com/thread-1699559-1-1.html
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