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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#241 Post by nitrocaster » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:25 am

Does X62 motherboard support X61 fingerprint reader?
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#242 Post by fatpolomanjr » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:42 am

It does. My fingerprint reader works just fine for logging in to Windows 10. In fact the connection for it on the X62 motherboard is visible in photos.

As for Bluetooth: that is a very good question. I seem to not have it working in Windows 10, but I'll check it out in Xubuntu. e: neither does it work in Xubuntu. Bluetooth is working fine in Windows 10 now after either an update or a restart. Turning the physical wireless button off and on brings back Bluetooth in Linux. It has been working consistently in Windows.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#243 Post by sloggy » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:27 pm

Sorry if this has already been answered, but does anyone know where i can find windows 7 compatible drivers?

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#244 Post by mrj47 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:07 pm

My WWLAN led is always on - is this the same for anyone else?
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#245 Post by sloggy » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:23 pm

Also having some trouble with the battery. On a fresh install of windows 7 and my brand new 8 cell battery refuses to charge. Anyone know of a possible solution?

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#246 Post by Bibin » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:30 am

I started a thread to organize known issues and fixes: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 2&p=790750

One covered is the "won't charge" issue. It looks like it won't report the rate, but is in fact charging for me.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#247 Post by nkwsky » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:47 am

Hi everybody!

I think this forum is better place to discuss about X62 than https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/ since threads won't go down that fast. I hope everybody who have gotten their laptop or motherboard are satisfied with it. For others, I hope that you can receive yours before Christmas and you can always contact me in Reddit if you are in doubt.

Here's my review in Reddit and in the end there are few things you should do after receiving your laptop:
Installation were pretty easy, and I was surprised that I didn't have a lot of troubles. Just throwed in my HDD (mSata SSD is still on the way), Scandinavian layout keyboard instead of US one and installed Windows via USB Stick to it. After installation was complete, all drivers (excl. audio and sd card reader) were installed to it automatically. Those two missing drivers I found here: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=122432. I had also problems with Scandinavian keyboard layout, ' and < keys weren't working. Fortunately, there was a bios update which fixes that problem (and also adds a Fn/Ctrl swap). The bios is available here: http://forum.51nb.com/thread-1716835-1-1.html (You can download it in the end of this post).

The performance of X62 is amazing compared to older thinkpads. Everything is running pretty smooth (not all, still waiting that SSD...) and no heat on palmrest at all. There has been a mistake in motherboard design, Wificard emits a small heat to the palmrest. That was gone, when I switched a energysaving mode on for the wificard. And for those, who want to take full potential out of wifi - the palmrest heat isn't very bad IMO.
For it's size, the screen has the ultimately good space for working and it is sharp and bright. That is the thing, I enjoy the most with this laptop. Unfortunately my laptop's screen had one stuck pixel on the far right and for now, no rubbing or Jscreenfix have made it alive. Well, I can't blame Jacky or the X62 builders about that - just a bad luck and it's not very annoying.

Audio card isn't very high quality, headphone jack isn't very good and the sound from the speakers is very "metallic". But this is not a Netflix laptop, and it doesn't try to be a one. Also fan noise is pretty annoying, it reacts too easily to the temp raises. The temps itself are low enough, between 40-75 degrees in normal use. I'm going to try out X200 fan, it should be more quiet with that.
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My first thoughts from this device were quite positive. 51nb.com community has made great work with the product and the result is amazing! There is some downsides with the product though and that is why it is laptop for the enthusiasts and old-school Thinkpad lovers. Linux has still problems with audio drivers, but I hope that those will be fixed in the future. After that I'm going to dualboot Windows and Linux and I think this laptop will handle well enough it's job as my main laptop.

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Performance seems to be good
Everything works (incl uk layout (scandinavian) keyboard, shortcut keys, fingerprint, Bluetooth, wifi, sdcard reader etc)
Screen is almost perfect! (had one stuck pixel in the left side, I'll try to fix it)
It was pretty out-of-the-box installation
No palm rest heat anymore (wificard delivered little heat to left side, but when it is in the energysaving mode - no heat at all!)

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Audio quality (this is not an Netflix laptop though)
Fan control sucks (temps are good, between 35-75, will try x200 fan to it, should make it quiet)

Links:
For those who assemble their own X62 - remember to trim chassis' USB3 port hole to prevent unwanted pressure to the port and the board (3 pics): http://forum.51nb.com/data/attachment/f ... memmmt.jpg http://forum.51nb.com/data/attachment/f ... i5bzpv.jpg http://forum.51nb.com/data/attachment/f ... g623uy.jpg
Bios update to enable Fn/Ctrl swap and support for non-US layouts (extract files from C117 to DOS bootable disk drive, boot from the drive and run upec to flash new bios): http://forum.51nb.com/forum.php?mod=att ... gzNQ%3D%3D

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#248 Post by evening_hunger » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:42 pm

nkwsky wrote:I think this forum is better place to discuss about X62 than /r/thinkpad since threads won't go down that fast.
In passing, you've summarized entire 2010s internet.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#249 Post by apojoga » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:11 pm

The fan thing is preventing me from getting one.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#250 Post by dmdsoftware » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:45 pm

Do you think the X61s will fit into a X60s case?
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#251 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:08 pm

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#252 Post by dmdsoftware » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:09 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Yup, see this: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 02#p791402
Thanks a million.

It is time to make old new again. Was going to do this X62s mod. I have a slightly used X60s in storage and a fairly battered X61s. Was hoping I could take the base of the X60s + X62s motherboard + X61s screen :)
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#253 Post by creshal » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:51 pm

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Wifi antenna FRUs are / can be used with the X62 case? I broke my antenna cables, and the seller isn't responding to my emails any more.

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#254 Post by scrfce » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:29 pm

Please check our Facebook page out and give us a like, we give latest updates about X62/T70/etc there! https://www.facebook.com/lcdfans/

And creshal, I'll ask it Jacky by myself. He is sometimes very difficult to contact... It is possible that he doesn't know about Wifi antenna FRU's, but in 51nb.com forums there are lot of people, who help. And usually HOPE (the guy behind this project) answer within a day. You should use google translate for better readability and making the registeration possible, but you can write your messages in English there. Here's link for X62 section: http://forum.51nb.com/forum-x62-1.html
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#255 Post by dmdsoftware » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:02 pm

creshal wrote:Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Wifi antenna FRUs are / can be used with the X62 case? I broke my antenna cables, and the seller isn't responding to my emails any more.
Aren't they just the normal ones that come with X60/X61? Checked the hardware manual for the FRU?
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#256 Post by dmdsoftware » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:31 pm

What do you have to do for the CMOS battery? Does it take the X60/X61 CMOS battery?

Also, for the fan, can we use the same X60/X61 fan or is there a different power interface driving the fan?
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#257 Post by creshal » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:42 pm

dmdsoftware wrote:
creshal wrote:Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Wifi antenna FRUs are / can be used with the X62 case? I broke my antenna cables, and the seller isn't responding to my emails any more.
Aren't they just the normal ones that come with X60/X61? Checked the hardware manual for the FRU?
There's five different antenna FRUs which seem to do different things (MIMO vs… something else), that's why I'm asking.

@CMOS battery: Ought to be exchangeable, I think there's one model for all Thinkpads made in the past ~15 years.

@Fan: I wouldn't replace it, if I had the choice again. No matter which fan you install, it's too loud because of the broken fan control.

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#258 Post by dmdsoftware » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:18 pm

creshal wrote:
dmdsoftware wrote: Aren't they just the normal ones that come with X60/X61? Checked the hardware manual for the FRU?
There's five different antenna FRUs which seem to do different things (MIMO vs… something else), that's why I'm asking.

@CMOS battery: Ought to be exchangeable, I think there's one model for all Thinkpads made in the past ~15 years.

@Fan: I wouldn't replace it, if I had the choice again. No matter which fan you install, it's too loud because of the broken fan control.
I ordered a X62 motherboard package only, not a whole X62 system.

Boards alone don't come with CMOS battery, so as long as it uses a proper Thinkpad battery, ought to be ok

Fan may or may not fit because X6* series had three different fan sizes (all with common fan plug) -- t, s, regular. I'm wondering if there was something different about the X62 fan to make it "different" then a typical X6* fan other then size placement.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#259 Post by dmdsoftware » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:08 pm

creshal wrote:
dmdsoftware wrote: Aren't they just the normal ones that come with X60/X61? Checked the hardware manual for the FRU?
There's five different antenna FRUs which seem to do different things (MIMO vs… something else), that's why I'm asking.

@CMOS battery: Ought to be exchangeable, I think there's one model for all Thinkpads made in the past ~15 years.

@Fan: I wouldn't replace it, if I had the choice again. No matter which fan you install, it's too loud because of the broken fan control.
Thanks for "trying" to answer the questions. Can someone who has a board share answers?

I proceeded with the install today. The CMOS battery IS NOT THE SAME. The connector from the X60s battery is completely different. Can someone advise what kind of CMOS battery this is so that I may order one.

The fan is completely different too. The fan that I ordered fits nice and is quiet. I can't hear it when it is running, but I can feel the air blowing out, so I know it is working. Maybe I lucked out with the fan or it is a revised fan, since most X62 folks report noisy fans.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#260 Post by binbash » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:25 am

Someone told on reddit that the X62 is able to accept a m.2 SSD.
Is it really m.2 or msata?

What form factor is compatible, 2242?

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#261 Post by creshal » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:19 pm

Thanks for "trying" to answer the questions. Can someone who has a board share answers?
No need for being an [censored]. You realize I typed out that answer on an X62…?
Someone told on reddit that the X62 is able to accept a m.2 SSD.
Slot is mPCIe, with screw holes for half and full size as far as I can tell. Haven't yet tested whether mSATA works.

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#262 Post by dmdsoftware » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:31 pm

binbash wrote:Someone told on reddit that the X62 is able to accept a m.2 SSD.
Is it really m.2 or msata?

What form factor is compatible, 2242?
The m.2 slot is a bit different and the motherboard doesn't have the correct slot. I haven't tested the WWAN slot with a mSATA. I can confirm th WWAN slot doesn't work with a wifi or wifi combo card.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#263 Post by binbash » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:29 pm

dmdsoftware wrote: The m.2 slot is a bit different and the motherboard doesn't have the correct slot. I haven't tested the WWAN slot with a mSATA. I can confirm th WWAN slot doesn't work with a wifi or wifi combo card.
Hope msata works like on my X230, it's really cool, you can use one with GTP/UEFI and the other with bios/msdos.

Heard about Qubes OS? It's a really secure OS using Xen (security by compartmentalization), but only a few laptops can run it without issues. Thinkpads are relatively well supported, I really hope the x62 board could run it! It needs VT-x and VT-d.

https://www.qubes-os.org/hcl/

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#264 Post by scrfce » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:27 pm

binbash wrote:
dmdsoftware wrote: The m.2 slot is a bit different and the motherboard doesn't have the correct slot. I haven't tested the WWAN slot with a mSATA. I can confirm th WWAN slot doesn't work with a wifi or wifi combo card.
Hope msata works like on my X230, it's really cool, you can use one with GTP/UEFI and the other with bios/msdos.

Heard about Qubes OS? It's a really secure OS using Xen (security by compartmentalization), but only a few laptops can run it without issues. Thinkpads are relatively well supported, I really hope the x62 board could run it! It needs VT-x and VT-d.

https://www.qubes-os.org/hcl/
I can confirm that msata will work on X62. I have 250gb samsung 850 evo msata SSD + 2.5" 1tb HDD combo myself.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#265 Post by binbash » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:06 am

Thanks scrfce/nkwsky for the confirmation!

My X62 will be overkill! With 1TB Samsung Evo pro SSD + 512 GB msata samsung evo ssd and 32 GB Crucial RAM kit :D :D

Anyone could confirm that Crucial 32 GB kit (CT2KIT204864BF160B) will work fine with the X62?

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#266 Post by dmdsoftware » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:11 am

binbash wrote:Thanks scrfce/nkwsky for the confirmation!

My X62 will be overkill! With 1TB Samsung Evo pro SSD + 512 GB msata samsung evo ssd and 32 GB Crucial RAM kit :D :D

Anyone could confirm that Crucial 32 GB kit (CT2KIT204864BF160B) will work fine with the X62?
Crucial ram is the one to get for this, from what I read. I bought the 8GB DDR3L Crucial and works great. CT2KIT204864BF160B will work it looks, from the specs. Got a good price for it? Can't find it < $500 up here in Canada.
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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#267 Post by binbash » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:16 am

Cool! Yes, here in Switzerland I can get the 32GB kit for ~320 USD
I think they will deliver to Canada too.

Here is the link:
http://www.pc-ostschweiz.ch/fr/product- ... r=12833201

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#268 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:46 am

According to their general business terms, they only deliver to Switzerland and Liechtenstein.
They also charge everybody 2.49% commission for credit card or PayPal use, NOT nice...

But perhaps binbash could act as your go-between?

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#269 Post by binbash » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:03 pm

Of course, I will help with pleasure.

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Re: 51nb's X62: latest update

#270 Post by dmdsoftware » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:13 pm

Perhaps that bundle is being replaced with another? I notice the reason why it is so expensive here is the supply of them is low. Only available from two major retailers, and "out of stock" everywhere else.

Lucky, I don't need more RAM urgently. If I see it at the right price, I'll pick it up.
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