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Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Never looked at these thinkpads nor do i have a reason to own one of them because i already have a game pc, htpc, backup dual core and a hp probook for work, and still for the passed 3 weeks i look around all day for a cheap one for sale.
Its kind of driving me nuts, i fell in love with the look of these laptops and of course would want a 'frankenpad'.
So should i really ?
Same thing happened to me about 5 years ago when i wanted to collect vintage audio equipment, constantly on the look out for ads and now i have an entire 1976 AKAI setup in the living room and a 1979 Pioneer setup in the office.
Then short after i HAD to have a Commodore 64 "because i had one as a kid" and now i have an entire setup in the loft collecting dust.
What is this nostalgia bug that every now and then comes around the corner and bites me in the cheeks ?
Its kind of driving me nuts, i fell in love with the look of these laptops and of course would want a 'frankenpad'.
So should i really ?
Same thing happened to me about 5 years ago when i wanted to collect vintage audio equipment, constantly on the look out for ads and now i have an entire 1976 AKAI setup in the living room and a 1979 Pioneer setup in the office.
Then short after i HAD to have a Commodore 64 "because i had one as a kid" and now i have an entire setup in the loft collecting dust.
What is this nostalgia bug that every now and then comes around the corner and bites me in the cheeks ?
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Welcome to the Forum.
For your answer, read this: COLLECTING VINTAGE THINKPADS: HOBBY, MENTAL DISORDER OR BOTH?
For your answer, read this: COLLECTING VINTAGE THINKPADS: HOBBY, MENTAL DISORDER OR BOTH?
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Lenovo: X240, X250, T440p, T480, M900 Tiny.
PS: the old Boardroom website is still available on the Wayback Machine.
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
I think the two significant reasons people like the old thinkpads are:
1. The screen aspect ratio allows more vertical space without scrolling
and
2. The old school keyboard is what many old school people are/were used to touch typing effectively on
Certainly, a 22" screen on any newer system resolves the first, especially if you have one that rotates to portrait mode. Or you use any Apple product which never totally embraced the widescreen movie format that plagues the smaller laptops. Same goes for item two if you have a nice mechanical keyboard for real document creation and processing.
Of course the frankenpads seem fast with their SSD drives but in reality they are just dual core processors that are the lowest processor that is capable of running Windows 7, the other piece of productivity software most power users need.
1. The screen aspect ratio allows more vertical space without scrolling
and
2. The old school keyboard is what many old school people are/were used to touch typing effectively on
Certainly, a 22" screen on any newer system resolves the first, especially if you have one that rotates to portrait mode. Or you use any Apple product which never totally embraced the widescreen movie format that plagues the smaller laptops. Same goes for item two if you have a nice mechanical keyboard for real document creation and processing.
Of course the frankenpads seem fast with their SSD drives but in reality they are just dual core processors that are the lowest processor that is capable of running Windows 7, the other piece of productivity software most power users need.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
"Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?"
You don't. You want a 25 year old ThinkPad!
You don't. You want a 25 year old ThinkPad!
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
A lot of it is being able to afford the toys that you can't afford earlier in life. Speaking of audio, I finally got NHT 1.3 speakers that I always wanted but couldn't afford during my high school/university years. Already got and moved on from the Porsche. Vintage women? Still can't afford them.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Quote of the week!fultontech wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 12:24 pm"Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?"
You don't. You want a 25 year old ThinkPad!
I agree fully FultonTech. If you are going to do programming, it better be in Borland Turbo c++ !
Thinkpad4by3's Law of the Universe.
The efficiency of two screens equally sized with equal numbers if pixels are equal. The time spent by a 4:3 user complaining about 16:9 is proportional to the inefficiency working with a 16:9 display, therefore the amount of useful work extracted is equal.
The efficiency of two screens equally sized with equal numbers if pixels are equal. The time spent by a 4:3 user complaining about 16:9 is proportional to the inefficiency working with a 16:9 display, therefore the amount of useful work extracted is equal.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
A yearning for things from a time when life was much simpler, maybe?
As much as I like Thinkpads, it's generally tempered by
1. practicality it's the reason i let go of the 760XD -- it was getting too slow, no USB, damaged screen (still works though), and bad keyboard.
2. stinginess -- I got a 560E for free, but the screen was dead, it won't boot past the BIOS screen, and I don't think I can get it back to working order without spending a significant amount of money. So it's currently on my shelf, disassembled.
Planned Purchase: T480s i5-8350 FHD Touch
Impulse Buy: Thinkpad not named for safety reasons
RIP: X220 4291-C91 X61 7676-A24 760XD-U9E
Impulse Buy: Thinkpad not named for safety reasons
RIP: X220 4291-C91 X61 7676-A24 760XD-U9E
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
An X61 would probably be great for what he is looking for. Retro with 4x3 screen and no nasty trackpad and with enough performance that it is usable today with your OS of choice.
Also can be found with the IBM logo on the palmrest and has a great keyboard.
Also can be found with the IBM logo on the palmrest and has a great keyboard.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Found an R60 with dock for sale for € 12 ...
tempted to drive and pick it up and slap my other free OCZ ssd in it. And the T7200 cpu can be found for pocket change.
Man, wish i had a thinkpad when i was in school, i did al my cad / solidworks with a celeron and 512 MB ram and integrated graphics.
tempted to drive and pick it up and slap my other free OCZ ssd in it. And the T7200 cpu can be found for pocket change.
Man, wish i had a thinkpad when i was in school, i did al my cad / solidworks with a celeron and 512 MB ram and integrated graphics.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
My x86 device back then (2010s) was a Lenovo netbook with an Atom and 1GB RAM. Then later I got the ThinkPad T43 with PM 750, X300 and 1GB RAM, retired from dad.
It was a pleasant "upgrade", so let that sentence speak for itself about my horrible experience with that netbook.
(the only things that the netbook actually outperform a ThinkPad A30p were DX9 capability and smaller form factor - the Atom processor is slower than a PIII-M 1.2Ghz, LCD was only 1024x600, and the hard drive is terribly slow that it takes 3 minutes to start Windows XP out of the box brand new)
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
T60 in europe are at least €50 and without battery/hdd or anything, and widescreen. imma keep looking, the guy from the €12 R60 does not reply back.
Also found a 14" 4:3 T60 for €65 but sold by some old lady so she doesnt know anything about it ...
Also found a 14" 4:3 T60 for €65 but sold by some old lady so she doesnt know anything about it ...
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Just ordered a 14" T60p, T7200 cpu and 128GB sandisk ssd.
Really hope it lives up to my expectations as a fun sidekick
Really hope it lives up to my expectations as a fun sidekick
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
It is likely that you do not. However I don't think it can be said in good faith that older thinkpads are worthles -- I personally use an X61s which is more than sufficient. But usually my recommendation would be a *20 series, or a *50 series.
Too bad the hardware is quite old. It's a pretty thinkpad but I do hate having machines that are not in use.
While staying on topic, as far as netbooks go, I've still haven't seen one prettier than the classic 240. Here are some good comparisons to late 4:3 thinkpads.kfzhu1229 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:30 pmMy x86 device back then (2010s) was a Lenovo netbook with an Atom and 1GB RAM. Then later I got the ThinkPad T43 with PM 750, X300 and 1GB RAM, retired from dad.
It was a pleasant "upgrade", so let that sentence speak for itself about my horrible experience with that netbook.
(the only things that the netbook actually outperform a ThinkPad A30p were DX9 capability and smaller form factor - the Atom processor is slower than a PIII-M 1.2Ghz, LCD was only 1024x600, and the hard drive is terribly slow that it takes 3 minutes to start Windows XP out of the box brand new)
Too bad the hardware is quite old. It's a pretty thinkpad but I do hate having machines that are not in use.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
I did have the regular TP240. Somebody threw in a 512mb stick of PC133 RAM and sure enough it was having all kinds of bsod when I first got it. Turned out the 512mb stick was actually also dead so I replaced it with a factory max of 128mb stick.fourthree wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:50 amWhile staying on topic, as far as netbooks go, I've still haven't seen one prettier than the classic 240. Here are some good comparisons to late 4:3 thinkpads.
I like how it is small and portable (and I also tried using it in school 2 years ago), but the screen is only SVGA (XGA only if you have the best 240Z) and the mono speaker on the palmrest doesn't sound better than modern cheap netbook speakers.
Also, I'd like a laptop with an optical drive (all of my current laptops and desktops have one), so it was sent to some senior as a computer learning starter pack.
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
That's quite a bit of RAM for an old machine. 8GB still feels excessive for my X61s!
Using it for school? You'd probably really like an SSD and a wifi card there.. I was thinking of getting one myself for that exact purpose, but I'm holding it off for now -- I wonder if 240Z XGA will fit in regular 240.I like how it is small and portable (and I also tried using it in school 2 years ago), but the screen is only SVGA (XGA only if you have the best 240Z) and the mono speaker on the palmrest doesn't sound better than modern cheap netbook speakers.
As far as resolution goes, I'd be happy if you could stick a 16:10 panel there, only because it looks like it has the room.
Why? I'm thinking it's better to backup all your discs on your HDD and have them always available as an iso, but do tell if there's something I'm missing. Always happy to learn!Also, I'd like a laptop with an optical drive (all of my current laptops and desktops have one), so it was sent to some senior as a computer learning starter pack.
Dorkstation: T601f
Ultraportable: X61s
Ultraportable: X61s
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
1. I was using it just for purely a Word machine and it was certainly the lightest laptop I had at the time (All my other laptops are of T series or 600 series)fourthree wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 2:21 amUsing it for school? You'd probably really like an SSD and a wifi card there.. I was thinking of getting one myself for that exact purpose, but I'm holding it off for now -- I wonder if 240Z XGA will fit in regular 240.
As far as resolution goes, I'd be happy if you could stick a 16:10 panel there, only because it looks like it has the room.
2. As for the XGA display, ThinkPad 240Z is so rare that you couldn't find its HMM here, neither can you find any information on Thinkwiki.
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDo ... _locale=en
This website is in Japanese. While I am Chinese, not Japanese, I can tell you that:
1. it comes with either a Celeron (R) 500Mhz ULV or PIII 600Mhz ULV (soldered onboard as far as I remember).
2. It comes with SVGA (71J/72J models) or XGA display (81J/82J models) (Both with 16.77M colours, VGA port max output SXGA @ 16-bit colour)
3. It comes with either 64MB RAM or 128MB RAM soldered on-board, with an official maximum of 192MB or 256MB, but I think you can get away with a maximum of 288MB or 384MB RAM with a 256MB stick of PC100 SDRAM.
The XGA and SVGA panels seem to be the same size, but just finding the XGA cable alone is an impossible task, not to mention there are two types of displays for this computer (Typa A or B, both are TFT).
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
My 14" T60P has arrived !
Already done today:
-Replace T2700 with T7200 CPU
-Replace HDD with Kingston 120GB SSD
-Replace CMOS battery
-First cleaning of the device, old sticker goo on the bottom and general dust-off and brushing of the keyboard
-Install genuine Win7 Pro 64 Bit
-Found most of the drivers but bluetooth and ir is not being found.
To do:
-Fully update Windows and look for further drivers (several GB to download)
-Replace fan because its rattly and idles at 70 celcius ! (already ordered)
-Full clean and polish of the lid.
-Find new battery, this one only lasts 1 hour
First impressions for my first thinkpad:
I like the shape and feel, the high resolution screen is amazing for me.
Its HEAVY ! Not used to this concrete slab on my lap
Its pretty snappy for browsing in chrome.
Already done today:
-Replace T2700 with T7200 CPU
-Replace HDD with Kingston 120GB SSD
-Replace CMOS battery
-First cleaning of the device, old sticker goo on the bottom and general dust-off and brushing of the keyboard
-Install genuine Win7 Pro 64 Bit
-Found most of the drivers but bluetooth and ir is not being found.
To do:
-Fully update Windows and look for further drivers (several GB to download)
-Replace fan because its rattly and idles at 70 celcius ! (already ordered)
-Full clean and polish of the lid.
-Find new battery, this one only lasts 1 hour
First impressions for my first thinkpad:
I like the shape and feel, the high resolution screen is amazing for me.
Its HEAVY ! Not used to this concrete slab on my lap
Its pretty snappy for browsing in chrome.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
I have the 15" T43p and I don't call that heavy. You will see that no laptops at that time period that performs like your laptop and thinner and as rigid at the same time.
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
"HEAVY" for a laptop on your lap is all relative. Once you have used something relatively light a T60 could feel heavy.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Its my first laptop i've had since 2007, that was a piece of plastic junk with a tiny battery, this feels much more hefty in a good way
Disassembly was a joy, bit fiddly around the corners but it turned out perfect.
I just tried a wet polish with a magic eraser, looks good for first try.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Nice!
I have seen many T6X and T4X machines that have basically only sat on desks and these normally scrub up well.
Newer more mobile hardware that are thinner and lighter tend to get more cosmetic damage especially if they have been hauled around in shoulder bags.
I have seen many T6X and T4X machines that have basically only sat on desks and these normally scrub up well.
Newer more mobile hardware that are thinner and lighter tend to get more cosmetic damage especially if they have been hauled around in shoulder bags.
Active --- Love the X series
X301 W 7/Mint | X201 540M L Mint | X220 2520 W7/Mint
Nostalgia
X61 T7500 / T41 T42 T43 / A31
Rogue daily driver - Samsung RV511 15.6 " Screen - W 7
X301 W 7/Mint | X201 540M L Mint | X220 2520 W7/Mint
Nostalgia
X61 T7500 / T41 T42 T43 / A31
Rogue daily driver - Samsung RV511 15.6 " Screen - W 7
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Congrats!
I guess you already ordered, so it matters little, but I recently followed the msb0b T60 fan repair guide after the fan became rattly. I never felt comfortable lubricating fans before, and I do have a spare heatsink/fan assembly, but I figured out - what do I have to lose? To replace the heatsink I already have to partially disassemble the system and remove the old one; at that point separating the fan from it and lubricating is not a big deal. Indeed, it worked great - the rattling is completely gone. As to the high temperature, it is frequently caused by the thermal paste not making proper contact, rather than by the fan.
Yeah, those rubbery coatings have a tendency to be really ugly and sticky when they disintegrate with age. Both my T60s suffer from the same problem.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
I've done a few T23 lids, my guess is it might also work on a T60.
See https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=121754
See https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=121754
Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
Yep, I remember that thread of yours; the lids looked much better afterwards. How do they hold up?RealBlackStuff wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:22 amI've done a few T23 lids, my guess is it might also work on a T60.
See https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=121754
The interesting thing about the T60 is that 14.1" and 15" units have different materials in the lid. 14.1" is magnesium composite, 15" is CFRP. This means that after stripping the rubberized paint, the lids might look different. According to the guy who stripped the X41 tablet lid down to the metal, there is a hard plastic coating under the rubberized paint, so maybe it will not be so different?
I think someone also posted a method here to restore the rubberized coating as opposed to just stripping it.
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Re: Why do i want a 10 year old thinkpad ?
I have seen some guys using plasti dip on the lids
And the fan was cheap so i decided to replace it.
Its nearly dead from 2 days usage at load.
And the fan was cheap so i decided to replace it.
Its nearly dead from 2 days usage at load.
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