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Some recent ThinkPads can be destroyed by changing a UEFI-BIOS setting

#1 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:32 pm

Some recent ThinkPads can be destroyed by changing a UEFI-BIOS setting

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Re: Some recent ThinkPads can be destroyed by changing a UEFI-BIOS setting

#2 Post by Cigarguy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:46 pm

Wow, just wow. Doesn't anyone do software testing anymore besides dumping it on the consumer? A BIOS doesn't have that many features that all the features can't be tested.
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#3 Post by GomJabbar » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:01 pm

I have been reading about this issue regarding enabling "BIOS support for Thunderbolt" that a number of users on the Lenovo Forum have experienced. Not just this either. Touch screen firmware updates and BIOS updates on some of the X-series laptops (and possibly others) have been breaking the touch screen feature requiring a display and/or a motherboard replacement to fix.

Does anybody even test these features and updates in house before they are released to the public? :roll:
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#4 Post by dr_st » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:30 am

GomJabbar wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:01 pm
Does anybody even test these features and updates in house before they are released to the public? :roll:
Yes, they do. But as systems get increasingly complicated with more different HW/SW/FW components from multiple vendors, the amount of crazy corner cases increases exponentially, and you get weird failures out of nowhere that are ridiculously difficult to debug. Believe me, this is something I know a lot about. :)

At some point the decision makers say "Screw it, we cannot delay the release any longer; we'd rather deal with 0.1% (or 0.01%) failures and replace the customers' systems at our expense". Of course, the frustration of the customer who just had his machine bricked (even if he gets it fixed for free) is not something actually accounted for in this equation. :evil:
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Re: Some recent ThinkPads can be destroyed by changing a UEFI-BIOS setting

#5 Post by Cigarguy » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:46 am

If it is a minor feature I can maybe see it. But Thunderbolt? On a laptop advertise to have Thunderbolt and is a feature in which people pay more for? Little sympathy from me.

The other thing they are counting on is not everyone raising up enough of a stink and returning the product. Even with the recall of T61 Nvidia there are still lots of T61 that failed and was abandoned by the consumer rather than deal with the hassle.

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#6 Post by zod » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:30 pm

No IBM = no ThinkPad.

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#7 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:23 am

It seems that someone managed a fix: Repairing a ThinkPad with a Corrupt Thunderbolt Firmware Chip
When is LeNoNo finally taking the finger out and fix this problem themselves?
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#8 Post by GrifterGuru » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:01 am

So according to that, you create a 1mb zero bytes ROM, flash it to the T/Bolt EEEPROM, then reflash the T/Bolt EEEPROM with stock firmware from Lenovo and that solves it.

Ouch, that's a pain, but what an "Easy" way to unbrick it. Quite ingenious really!

Of course, all that assumes you have the kit to do it.


BUT, here's the rub. It took a bloody-minded individual who refused to give up and instead get on with it. Why is it down to an End-user to sort out Lenovo's foul ups?

What are we? the "we're here to fix it 'cos you can't be bothered" team?
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#9 Post by MikalE » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:11 am

The average user doesn't have the kit or the knowledge to pull off a fix like that even with instructions.

It's great that he found the fix. Maybe he should be working for Lenovo. :lol:
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#10 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:21 am

The guy that fixed the problem is Professor Nadim Kobeissi at the New York University's campus in Paris, France.
I doubt he'd be interested to work for LeNoNo.

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#11 Post by MikalE » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:36 am

That also makes my point that the average person doesn't have the skill, knowledge, or tools to pull this off.
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