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IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
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IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
These seem rare that are non tablet, but I would love to add one of these to my collection for my portable needs. I notice there are plenty of tablet versions available, but is the weight difference that much of a difference? Any help would be greatly appropriated!
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Re: IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
Tablet is much heavier and bulkier due to the extra depth.
X41:
X41:
X41 Tablet:4-cell without X4 UltraBase: 10.5" x 8.3" x .81-1.06"; 268mm x 211mm x 20.6-26.9mm
with battery: 2.7 lb (1.23kg)
8-cell without X4 UltraBase: 10.5" x 9.3" x .81-1.06"; 268mm x 237mm x 20.6-26.9mm
8-cell battery models: 3.3 lb (1.49kg);
4-cell: 10.8" x 9.5" x 1.14-1.26"; 274mm x 242mm x 29-32mm
8-cell: 10.8" x 10.5" x 1.14-1.26"; 274mm x 266mm x 29-32mm
4-cell battery models: 3.5 lb (1.61kg); 8-cell battery models: 4.0 lb (1.84kg)
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X61 7673-V2V, T60 2007-QPG, T42 2373-F7G, X32 (IPS Screen), A31p w/ Ultrabay Numpad
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Re: IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
Heavier due to the hinge, digitizer and protective glass on the screen.
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Re: IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
The best option would be the X41 without the tablet feature, but these are so difficult to find in good condition. Hopefully somebody in the forum has a spare one they can sell. Greatly appreciate the help
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Re: IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
I have one actually. Since my real love is R, A, G and Z-series I have no great interest in X-types.
This particular one I own, however, is in a close-to-perfect inner shape. Drop me a PM if interested.
This particular one I own, however, is in a close-to-perfect inner shape. Drop me a PM if interested.
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Re: IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
I've been looking at the G series and those are workhorse thinkpads, even if they were "made by acer" :/ Those can go up to a 3.5Ghz Prescott processor with virtual core (hyper threading). They also have a dedicated geforce graphics (better drivers) and still bare the original IBM branding before the lenovo transition. The G Thinkpads are a true example of a international business machine! <3
IBM Thinkpad T43p 2668VXG (06/06): Flexview IPS UXGA 1600x1200, Pentium Mobile Dothan 780 2.26Ghz, 2GB DDR2 533mhz, Hitachi IDE Travelstar 100GB 7200RPM, DVD-CDRW, ATI Mobile FireGL V3200 128MB, IBM 11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Adapter II
Re: IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
Off-topic: I don't think they were made by Wistron/Acer.
The G40 and the G41's motherboards were manufactured by Quanta, judging by their schematics' names (G40 = Quanta BF1, G41 = Quanta BF4). Additionally, the G40 and the G41's plastic parts were manufactured by Elitek, which can be easily told by the stickers that were pasted on the parts.
The G50 is a little different, as Foxconn made the motherboards instead, but the plastics were still handled by Elitek.
Let's be honest here, Prescott was not a good architecture for its time, even with its hyper-threading capability. It was also hampered by insufficient memory bandwidth in this case, which was caused by the G41's 82852GME memory controller hub lacking dual-channel support for DDR1 RAM modules. This meant a theoretical maximum memory bandwidth of 2666MB/s, which was 1.6x lower than what a 533MT/s Prescott would have needed for optimal operation (4266MB/s).
Well, the GeForce's better driver advantage is rendered null by the fact that this was a GeForce FX Go5200. This particular graphics chip was using the NV34 core, which was the very same core that was being used in the GeForce FX 5200 (approximately equivalent to a GeForce4 MX 440). To make things worse, the GeForce FX Go5200 is slower than the GMA 950 in gaming. It does not have a native driver for Windows 7 either, unlike the GMA 950.
The G40 and the G41's motherboards were manufactured by Quanta, judging by their schematics' names (G40 = Quanta BF1, G41 = Quanta BF4). Additionally, the G40 and the G41's plastic parts were manufactured by Elitek, which can be easily told by the stickers that were pasted on the parts.
The G50 is a little different, as Foxconn made the motherboards instead, but the plastics were still handled by Elitek.
Let's be honest here, Prescott was not a good architecture for its time, even with its hyper-threading capability. It was also hampered by insufficient memory bandwidth in this case, which was caused by the G41's 82852GME memory controller hub lacking dual-channel support for DDR1 RAM modules. This meant a theoretical maximum memory bandwidth of 2666MB/s, which was 1.6x lower than what a 533MT/s Prescott would have needed for optimal operation (4266MB/s).
Well, the GeForce's better driver advantage is rendered null by the fact that this was a GeForce FX Go5200. This particular graphics chip was using the NV34 core, which was the very same core that was being used in the GeForce FX 5200 (approximately equivalent to a GeForce4 MX 440). To make things worse, the GeForce FX Go5200 is slower than the GMA 950 in gaming. It does not have a native driver for Windows 7 either, unlike the GMA 950.
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Re: IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
Wow, that's truly awful.
IMO all Netburst iterations (Williamette, Northwood, Prescott) were bad. On the flip side, it allowed AMD to take the lead with K8/Clawhammer, forcing Intel to drop Netburst and develop the Pentium M, and eventually the Core achitecture.Let's be honest here, Prescott was not a good architecture for its time, even with its hyper-threading capability.
Planned Purchase: T480s i5-8350 FHD Touch
Impulse Buy: Thinkpad not named for safety reasons
RIP: X220 4291-C91 X61 7676-A24 760XD-U9E
Impulse Buy: Thinkpad not named for safety reasons
RIP: X220 4291-C91 X61 7676-A24 760XD-U9E
Re: IBM x41 with 778 Pentium M?
Yes, that's true; however for a short period of time (before reaching the clock frequency / heat wall which marked the dead-end of the architecture), the top-of-the-line P4s with hyperthreading were still beating the top-of-the-line AMD could offer. Only the first Athlon64's started truly beating the P4s.axur-delmeria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:33 amIMO all Netburst iterations (Williamette, Northwood, Prescott) were bad. On the flip side, it allowed AMD to take the lead with K8/Clawhammer, forcing Intel to drop Netburst and develop the Pentium M, and eventually the Core achitecture.
HT-capable Northwoods are especially remembered fondly, because they were sometimes outperforming same-clock Prescotts with lower heat output.
Thinkpad 25 (20K7), T490 (20N3), Yoga 14 (20FY), T430s (IPS FHD + Classic Keyboard), X220 4291-4BG
X61 7673-V2V, T60 2007-QPG, T42 2373-F7G, X32 (IPS Screen), A31p w/ Ultrabay Numpad
X61 7673-V2V, T60 2007-QPG, T42 2373-F7G, X32 (IPS Screen), A31p w/ Ultrabay Numpad
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