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R60e without computrace??

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R60e without computrace??

#1 Post by TPFanatic » Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:53 pm

I've acquired an r60e that seems to lack both a security chip and any mention of Computrace in the BIOS. was this really a thing that you could CTO an R60e without any of this security features? this is novel to me.

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Re: R60e without computrace??

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Dec 08, 2024 12:07 am

Read this and this.
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Re: R60e without computrace??

#3 Post by TPFanatic » Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:32 am

thank you RBS
but the matter is not that i want to disable Computrace

the matter is that there is just no Computrace

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Re: R60e without computrace??

#4 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:46 am

If you have a T400/T500/R500 with Windows, check in C:\Windows\System32\ if you have any rpcnet.* files.
If so, stick the HDD/SSD of that machine in your R60e and boot it up.
Reboot it and go immediately into the BIOS/Security to find Computrace.
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Re: R60e without computrace??

#5 Post by TPFanatic » Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:48 am

unfortunately ive never been infected by the computrace to try that :(

im questioning is it possible this R60e simply doesnt have even have a computrace chip

there is no TPM it's like an ancient ThinkPad before the IBM security subsystem

there is not even an APS sensor !!!

in the absence of zender bios i installed vista for genuine activation and it's surprisingly snappy for 1gb ram on a spinner page-file. i remember these were meant to be fast when new. they can still be fast.

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Re: R60e without computrace??

#6 Post by ZaZ » Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:21 pm

TPFanatic wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:32 am
the matter is that there is just no Computrace
Why would you care on on a notebook that will soon be two decades old?
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Re: R60e without computrace??

#7 Post by TPFanatic » Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:34 pm

oh im not interested in buying Computrance. i'd hide an Airtag inside if i cared about it for that reason.

i only bring it up for the notoriety that it has garnered on this forum.

it's possible i finally found the solution to everyones computrace problem: buy an R60e immune to computrace

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Re: R60e without computrace??

#8 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:20 am

Here's a picture of the chip in which Computrace is stored on R60 series.
Just because YOU cannot find it, does not mean that it is not there...
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Re: R60e without computrace??

#9 Post by TPFanatic » Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:04 am

Thank you RBS. Now I know the Computrace would live in the Atmel security chip.

I'm showing an exhibit from the ThinkWiki.de supporting my observation that R60e doesn't have the Atmel:
https://thinkwiki.de/R60#R60e wrote:Weitere Unterschiede:

kein IBM Embedded Security Subsystem 2.0 (<- emphasis mine)
kein IBM Active Protection System
kein Bluetooth (bei manchen Modellen)
kein 14"- / SXGA+- / UXGA- Display
kein ExpressCard/54 Slot
Kein Ultranav - nur Trackpoint
kein Dockinganschluss
nur ein Lautsprecher verbaut
My R60e also fits the other criteria of not having Exp54, not having Ultrabay, not having Ultranav, no Dockport, and no Active Protection System. So I definitively have an R60e rather than a regular R60.

So what I ask is if it possible that in the absence of the Atmel, there may furthermore be a permanenet absence of Computrace?

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