Very slow wake from resume or hibernation

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Laurence Spiegel · #1 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:48 pm

Has anyone had the following issue:

If my T40p has been in sleep for hibernate for several hours, resume is slow. Ex: after sleep overnight, then press fn or (briefly) power:
fan starts on low
several minutes of inactivity
heat noticed from fan vent
delay of >1 min
varible response next:
typically, disk activity, delay, indicator lights flash, logon screen.

After hiberantiing for a 3 days the startup delay was well over 5 min.
Otherwise the system runs normally. If it's suspended/hibernated and resumed within an hour or 2 it responds normally.

dvorak · #2 Post by **dvorak** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:40 am

Was same issue on mine.
I'm cleaning my machine currently prior to a disk wipe I'm planning to do today, backing up data etc, but first I ran some tests to find the problem.

It seems the ACPI drivers that IBM supplies caused this problem, by uninstalling them I've been able to resume from standby/hib. fast, even after a whole night of being in standby. You'll loose the power to hibernate with Fn+12 though, and I don't know if reinstalling them brings the problem back.

FYI, bootvis also showed ACPI.sys taking 30+ seconds to wake up, while everything else was up in microseconds :)

Laurence Spiegel · #3 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:37 am

Was it Bootvis that showed you the problem? Also, um, I don't know how to un/re install the acpi drivers. I would think suspend / hbnte would work noramlly after a reinstall. Please post any further info you find

thanks

larry

Laurence Spiegel · #4 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:41 am

Thanks. Ever since my days as a "senior tech support" rep I've had a distaste for puzzling out IT trivia. I'm quite happy that didn't involve major surgery. One note - I first installed the new drv over the old==> no change. Un/reinstall did it.

dvorak · #5 Post by **dvorak** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:38 pm

Laurence Spiegel wrote:Thanks. Ever since my days as a "senior tech support" rep I've had a distaste for puzzling out IT trivia. I'm quite happy that didn't involve major surgery. One note - I first installed the new drv over the old==> no change. Un/reinstall did it.

I don't quite understand, did you reply to the right topic? ;)

Anyways, I did a reinstallation of Windows, aka format c: (:P), and after some time, it reappeared (standby resuming delay). Now after some testing, I am sure it is related to services (Windows services - start-run-services.msc). To which, I don't know yet.

Laurence Spiegel · #6 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:28 am

I had the same experience. Uninstall old, then install new acpi ==> appeared to work. Then, hibernate overnight ==> issue comes back. I've previously pruned services so that items I can identify as nonessential are disabled or set to manual.

I did run bootvis, but could not find it's log file. Google came up with many dead ends when I tried to find a short bootvis manual/readme.
How do I use Bootvis? Can't find any logfile to open after several tries.
- Larry

dvorak · #7 Post by **dvorak** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:38 am

Laurence Spiegel wrote:I had the same experience. Uninstall old, then install new acpi ==> appeared to work. Then, hibernate overnight ==> issue comes back. I've previously pruned services so that items I can identify as nonessential are disabled or set to manual.

I did run bootvis, but could not find it's log file. Google came up with many dead ends when I tried to find a short bootvis manual/readme.
How do I use Bootvis? Can't find any logfile to open after several tries.
- Larry

What do you mean by "run bootvis"?
When you monitor a hibernate/standby it'll display its findings, when you do boot monitoring Bootvis will start itself after everything has done loading.
Just go through the menus next to File :P

I'll explain once again: Hibernating and standby when less than an hour (or so) has passed will not "lag" (no unusual waiting), if you leave it for a longer period of time, voila, a minute of blank screen.
It is related to an unknown service, just try it yourself: Enable everything you've disabled/manual'ed and you'll see.
It could be related to a DCOM or Fast User Switching service for all I know, but I know for a fact, the problem went away when I restored the service settings.

After going over the services again, being a little more tolerant this time, I've done my tweaking without messing standby/hibernate up.

saichmir · #8 Post by **saichmir** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:14 pm

I had a similar problem - do you use Skype? Maybe you'll find a solution here -> http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ht=suspend

dvorak · #9 Post by **dvorak** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:24 pm

saichmir wrote:I had a similar problem - do you use Skype? Maybe you'll find a solution here -> http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ht=suspend

Nope, not using Skype.

Laurence Spiegel · #10 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:59 am

[/quote]What do you mean by "run bootvis"?
When you monitor a hibernate/standby it'll display its findings, when you do boot monitoring Bootvis will start itself after everything has done loading.
Just go through the menus next to File

Pardon if I've missed something obvious.
What I did: i Run bootvis ii File/new/next hibernate + resume. Cancel the automatic hibernate prompted by bootvis. After completing work, hibernate >1 hr.
Resume from hibernation. Open bootvis, File/Open. No log files. Search for file generated by bootvis (containing "trace" or "hibernate". Not found. So I have no record from bootvis. This is probably user error; I just don't see the correct procedure.

I'll explain once again: Hibernating and standby when less than an hour (or so) has passed will not "lag" (no unusual waiting), if you leave it for a longer period of time, voila, a minute of blank screen.
Yes I'm aware of that. It was >5 min this am after overnight hibernate.

It is related to an unknown service, just try it yourself: Enable everything you've disabled/manual'ed and you'll see.
It could be related to a DCOM or Fast User Switching service for all I know, but I know for a fact, the problem went away when I restored the service settings.

The last service I disabled was some time ago, the slow startup is more recent. It could still be a service created or changed by an install, or an interaction between my service changes + some other configuration item. I'd prefer to see the actual culprit rather than monkey around.
What services did you re-enable? Did you re-enable them to start Automatic or Manual?

After going over the services again, being a little more tolerant this time, I've done my tweaking without messing standby/hibernate up.[/quote]

dvorak · #11 Post by **dvorak** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:07 pm

Well, you must have misunderstood the concept of Bootvis' automatic hibernation ;) Do your work before, then start bootvis, new hibernate+resume (or which ever you choose), then it'll trace, either wait the 10 seconds or click "Hibernate now", then it'll start itself in case you chose reboot, otherwise it'll simply display its findings when you resume from suspend-mode.

To be honest, I might be a bit wrong, or not, but I had another, this time only 7s or so, wait before it resumed from suspend -- and that has happened twice as far as I remember. Although I still think that enabling (Automatic) services reduces the delay, I haven't had a long wait since I re-enabled some of them as I don't shut my machine down, it sits in suspend through the night.

On a related subject, today I noticed, after working with AC (Firefox, Thunderbird, VMWare Workstation etc) then closing them all off and returning to DC, the machine is taking too much power, 14w instead of the regular 10-11w. For example, I rebooted the machine, started Thunderbird and Firefox with the same pages as before, and as I'm typing this, it takes a cool ~10.88w, everything is the same, no wifi, lvl 3 brightness, no fan. I left the machine sit for tens of minutes before, no active windows, a constant 14w. Powerplay seemed to be enabled aswell (under ATI's tabs). Any ideas?

Laurence Spiegel · #12 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:50 pm

dvorak wrote:ut my machine down, it sits in suspend through the night.

On a related subject, today I noticed, after working with AC (Firefox, Thunderbird, VMWare Workstation etc) then closing them all off and returning to DC, the machine is taking too much power, 14w instead of the regular 10-11w. For example, I rebooted the machine, started Thunderbird and Firefox with the same pages as before, and as I'm typing this, it takes a cool ~10.88w, everything is the same, no wifi, lvl 3 brightness, no fan. I left the machine sit for tens of minutes before, no active windows, a constant 14w. Powerplay seemed to be enabled aswell (under ATI's tabs). Any ideas?

No fix for that, but I've noted that FF can take an excessive cpu share, not realting to pages showing annoyances such as animations, sounds etc.

Regarding resume and bootvis, I did get a trace file with bootvis after running it from the command line and allowing it to cause hiberation. I did not get any indication of what was causing the problem, and so far I can't interpret the graphs. They do appear simple... but there's no labels on each axis. They don't appear to reflect the _10 minute_ delay I see in power on; they show considerable disk activity but I find the machine mostly sits wtih no obvious activity for some time. Pretty [censored] aggravating for what's supposed to be a mature OS + top shelf hardware.
I've never seen a consumer Windows install that just plain worked. Locked down servers, some. Typical end user, never.

meditate2001 · #13 Post by **meditate2001** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:33 am

same problem here...

<<It seems the ACPI drivers that IBM supplies caused this problem, by uninstalling them I've been able to resume from standby/hib. fast

can you do that that simple ? just uninstalling and than hib. works also ? for what are than the drivers needed ???

Laurence Spiegel · #14 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:53 am

meditate2001 wrote:same problem here...

<<It seems the ACPI drivers that IBM supplies caused this problem, by uninstalling them I've been able to resume from standby/hib. fast

can you do that that simple ? just uninstalling and than hib. works also ? for what are than the drivers needed ???

You will want to dowload and install the current acpi drvs from ibm. They provide power mgmt.

Laurence Spiegel · #15 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:01 pm

I have resolved the issue on my machine. It appears there are many possible causes for this issue, so my experience may serve as an example rather than a fix.
I had AOL installed for temporary access + for their deal with Verizon for dsl. AOL installs several services and runs several background processes, so it seemed a likely culprit. I also removed VZ's software for good measure - it adds a system tray item.
Lesson: Keep a dated list of all software + driver installs and a related, dated list of all annoyances.

dvorak · #16 Post by **dvorak** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:57 pm

Laurence Spiegel wrote:I have resolved the issue on my machine. It appears there are many possible causes for this issue, so my experience may serve as an example rather than a fix.
I had AOL installed for temporary access + for their deal with Verizon for dsl. AOL installs several services and runs several background processes, so it seemed a likely culprit. I also removed VZ's software for good measure - it adds a system tray item.
Lesson: Keep a dated list of all software + driver installs and a related, dated list of all annoyances.

It seems to be working on mine again, I currently have some unnecassary services also running, such as Wireless Zero Conf, Windows Firewall (ICS), DCOM, but I'm a little afraid of tampering with them again :P
I'm not very happy about the extra memory usage, but luckily those don't propose a security threat thanks to software firewalls :)

Regarding analyzing Bootvis, you'll see alot of smaller windows inside the main window, one of them lists drivers, they do list the drivers, and the one listed as taking too much time should be acpi.sys on all of our systems.

Laurence Spiegel · #17 Post by **Laurence Spiegel** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:53 am

Only power mgmt related services will help; other services lenghten starup/shutdown. You may want to scrutinize DCOM in partular, it's serves nearly no purpose other than to create a large security hole.
I've now got only a minute of "huh" after an overnight resume, total resume time is about 1.5 min now (vs 10 before)

dvorak · #18 Post by **dvorak** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:37 pm

Laurence Spiegel wrote:Only power mgmt related services will help; other services lenghten starup/shutdown. You may want to scrutinize DCOM in partular, it's serves nearly no purpose other than to create a large security hole.
I've now got only a minute of "huh" after an overnight resume, total resume time is about 1.5 min now (vs 10 before)

I beg to differ, of course logically thinking none of the services I/we have disabled should affect resume/hibernation, but unfortunately thanks to Windows' peculiarities or to someone's poor coding, they do. How else do you explain the fact that my standby is working nicely after enabling useless services? :)

arjunrc · #19 Post by **arjunrc** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:29 pm

hi,
I am facing the same problem.

when you say 'uninstall the acpi driver' which one is it ?

I have 2 in my add->remove programs:

one is called IBM SATA power management driver
other is IBM Thinkpad power management driver

I havea t43

which one do I uninstall ?

thx

dvorak · #20 Post by **dvorak** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:02 pm

arjunrc wrote:one is called IBM SATA power management driver
other is IBM Thinkpad power management driver

which one do I uninstall ?

SATA is related to your hard-drive, so the regular power management driver would be sufficient.

choiyc · #21 Post by **choiyc** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:19 pm

I had the same problem with my T23.
When I upgraded my MS Office from 2000 to 2003, the problem went away for good. Hope this helps.

Very slow wake from resume or hibernation

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