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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#61 Post by dxps26 » Thu May 03, 2012 9:24 am

From a fleet manager's point of view, history has not been at all kind to either model. :lol:

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it's funny how we tend to put older machines on a pedestal and worship them, even though they were just as troublesome(or more) as the current generation. I wonder inf the same will be done with the next generation of Thinkpads - if we could call them Thinkpads by then - the way things are going it doesn't seem to be so...I don't really mind the chiclet keyboards as long as they have good feedback and travel, in fact if done properly they are thinner and result in a stronger chassis. I don't mind the new materials, as long as they are top-notch.
The trouble is the gradual dilution of quality, the transition from laptops with a expected 5-year lifespan to ones which may limp upto only the second year. If the next waves of Thinkpads lose the Edge (pun intended) and revert to a core group of 3 or 4 machine types (workstation / all-rounder /ultraportable+tablet / economy ) instead of making ultrabooks or netbooks or other form factors, there is still hope for future computer shoppers to obtain a quality product.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#62 Post by ThinkRob » Thu May 03, 2012 8:37 pm

bill bolton wrote:From a fleet manager's point of view, history has not been at all kind to either model. :lol:
I know about the issues with the T4x series, but what was wrong with the T60? I actually think that was one of the best T series in the ThinkPad's history. Yeah, the T61 had two major issues, but its predecessor seemed pretty solid as far as I could tell.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#63 Post by dxps26 » Thu May 10, 2012 8:52 pm

The wait is over.

i'm typing this on a brand-new T420, which finally came into my possession on Monday, after 6 days of UPS missing me while i was at work (note-it would be nice to let your Sales Rep know the best time for system delivery when you talk to him/her.)

The machine seems to have no obvious quirks, the keyboard is not supported by wires :o and the plastics seem to be well-bolted to the chassis. A Thinkpad Protection Plan seems to have been shipped along with the unit, but my Thinkvantage Software informs me that i still have Depot Service. Emailed the Sales rep from Lenovo about this, and he will be reverting to me on this.

Installed the SSD, running updates and recovering all my data tonight. The original system's disk will have to be Secure Wiped and shipped back.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#64 Post by ajkula66 » Thu May 10, 2012 9:00 pm

dxps26 wrote:The wait is over.

i'm typing this on a brand-new T420, which finally came into my possession on Monday, after 6 days of UPS missing me while i was at work (note-it would be nice to let your Sales Rep know the best time for system delivery when you talk to him/her.)

The machine seems to have no obvious quirks, the keyboard is not supported by wires :o and the plastics seem to be well-bolted to the chassis. A Thinkpad Protection Plan seems to have been shipped along with the unit, but my Thinkvantage Software informs me that i still have Depot Service. Emailed the Sales rep from Lenovo about this, and he will be reverting to me on this.

Installed the SSD, running updates and recovering all my data tonight. The original system's disk will have to be Secure Wiped and shipped back.
Good to hear.

Congrats and enjoy your "new" (er) T420... :thumbs-UP:
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#65 Post by rzl » Sun May 13, 2012 5:56 am

Just saw on youtube... Lenovo-built thinkpads aren't real thinkpads anymore.
Not sure if i'll get one of them anymore.

http://youtu.be/IFKHJcQ8fYo

The machine shutting off, the keycaps jumping.... Not real thinkpads.

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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#66 Post by ThinkRob » Sun May 13, 2012 9:48 am

rzl wrote:Just saw on youtube... Lenovo-built thinkpads aren't real thinkpads anymore.
Not sure if i'll get one of them anymore.
A video? On YouTube?! Well this changes everything.

Sure, the T410 has been widely-deployed across hundreds if not thousands of businesses around the world and both it and its successor have received generally very, very positive reviews in the press and in the hands of consumers...

But a video on YouTube? Unassailable. Clearly a Lenovo-built ThinkPad isn't a "real ThinkPad" (whatever that means.)
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#67 Post by pianowizard » Sun May 13, 2012 10:28 am

rzl wrote:http://youtu.be/IFKHJcQ8fYo

The machine shutting off, the keycaps jumping.... Not real thinkpads.
There has never been a Thinkpad model that's 100% guaranteed to survive a several-foot drop. Certain aspects of Thinkpads may have gone downhill recently (screen quality, fit and finish, warranty service, keyboard designs, display bezel thickness, overall looks, hinge reliability), but the ability to survive a drop hasn't changed IMO. In fact, I find the minimal damage shown in that YouTube video quite impressive. Most other laptops would have fared worse.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#68 Post by ThinkRob » Sun May 13, 2012 2:05 pm

pianowizard wrote:display bezel thickness
Amen.

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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#69 Post by Ibthink » Sun May 13, 2012 2:32 pm

screen quality
Oh yes.

:D

Only Flexview screens was superior to todays screens, but you can found them only in 15" ThinkPads, so the rest of the IBM ThinkPads (12" and 14") had even worse screens than the todays screens. And the 15,6" W520 FHD screen and the 15,6" HD+ display (like in my L520) are nice too.
overall looks, hinge reliability
Well, the hinge design of my L520 is clearly better in terms of reliability than that on my old R60 or my R50e and the overall look is a matter of taste which design you like. I like both my R50e and my L520.
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#70 Post by dxps26 » Tue May 15, 2012 3:35 pm

Update -

Finally shipped the old machine back to Lenovo.

The Lenovo sales Rep also mailed me today, and confirmed that the 3-year onsite Thinkpad Protection Plan will be taken care of, as it was considered as an upgrade ordered with the replacement machine. it seems such things can take up to a month to finalize, which is deuced odd, but as long as it does what it says on the tin, I'm all right with it.
They are also completely fine with you secure wiping the drive before you send it back, an action I undertook only on my personal data partition, leaving the operating system as-is.

All in all, the 'new' machine feels fine. I noticed that both the replacement keyboard on the older unit, and the new unit have a different trackpoint mechanism than what came on the original unit - the plastic 'joystick' under the trackpoint cap is a dull red in the newer keyboard and the replacement keyboard, while it was black in the original keyboard. The trackpoint mouse buttons are a tiny bit firmer and quieter in the replacement machine too. The optical disk drive in the original unit was a Sony Optiarc model, with an all-metal tray, while the replacement machine has a HL Data Storage model GT50M drive, with a plastic drive tray, which seems to be noisier, especially from a cold boot when the optical drive is activated. This is a Non-Issue for me, as I hardly use optical media, and have installed the stock 500gb disk in the UltraBay, after it was displaced by the Intel 520 series 120gb SSD.

I'm now trying to be patient with SSD prices, waiting for 240gb disks to fall below the $200 mark when the 500gb spinner will be shunted into an external enclosure and I will have an all-SSD system 8)
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#71 Post by w0qj » Wed May 16, 2012 12:39 pm

I have a similar model, T410 (2522-RE3) with SSD, and yes, it runs like a dream!
Bootup speed is amazing. System is very snappy.
Who cares about tablets, when you can type away on a bus, taxi, etc. on your shock-proof Thinkpad while on a wireless broadband?
The best of both worlds ;)

I'm so satisfied my T410 that I'm currently asking Lenovo if I can buy any *new* motherboard for my T410 as a backup a few years down the road.
Why T410?
~The last 16:10 ratio LCD screen.
~Real keyboard, *not* Chiclet keys (now, don't even start me on this one...)


(Also I was a proud owner of T42 which had 4:3 LCD ratio, used it for 5 years until it fell victim to the now-infamous loose GPU problem.
If I had bought a new backup motherboard back then, I would still be willing to use my T42 today.
The T42 was *that* good.)

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#72 Post by dr_st » Wed May 16, 2012 12:51 pm

w0qj wrote:(Also I was a proud owner of T42 which had 4:3 LCD ratio, used it for 5 years until it fell victim to the now-infamous loose GPU problem.
If I had bought a new backup motherboard back then, I would still be willing to use my T42 today.
Surely you can get plenty of working T42 motherboards even today, at probably one tenth of the price a new one from IBM would have cost you at the time. You really would pay ten times more just for it to be "new"? ;)
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#73 Post by albo » Thu May 17, 2012 8:42 am

Thinkpads are no longer the outstanding laptops they used to be. Whenever I use my old T43 (which has been relegated to my son), I am so impressed by it's solidity compared to my T410. The T410 is just kind of nasty. Cruddy design, cruddy feel (compared to the T43). The thinkpads have been getting thicker and squatter ever since Lenovo took over, and their mechanics are flimsier. No more metal cage for the screen, for example.

And of course, Lenovo's service is nearly impossible to deal with. You have to be a PITA, then after much heartache you get a Customer Advocate working with you, and you finally get a new machine. But it's barely worth the trouble.

My impression is that the only laptops out there that are really thoughtfully-designed these days are macbooks. And [censored] are they expensive. I'm waiting in the wings for someone to take the thinkpads place as the far-and-away best pc laptop. That niche has been vacated and left unfilled.

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#74 Post by dr_st » Thu May 17, 2012 9:40 am

albo wrote:No more metal cage for the screen, for example.
Your T43p does not have that either. :) Lenovo was the one who introduced rollcages for the screen, in the T61 series, and they did away with them in Tx10 series.
albo wrote:My impression is that the only laptops out there that are really thoughtfully-designed these days are macbooks.
They are really thoughtfully-designed, but not always thoughtfully-engineered... Not the same thing. ;)
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#75 Post by ThinkRob » Thu May 17, 2012 9:44 am

dr_st wrote:Your T43p does not have that either. :) Lenovo was the one who introduced rollcages for the screen, in the T61 series, and they did away with them in Tx10 series.
The T4x and T6x use magnesium covers for the lid. The T61, T400, and T500 mechanicals used plastic over a magnesium endoskeleton (the "roll cage"). The T410 did indeed remove the metal and leave just plastic (HEPC if I recall correctly). But the T420 worked to rectify that, and switched the lid material to CFRP which (given the LED screens) provides quite excellent protection.
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#76 Post by dr_st » Thu May 17, 2012 9:52 am

ThinkRob wrote:The T410 did indeed remove the metal and leave just plastic (HEPC if I recall correctly). But the T420 worked to rectify that, and switched the lid material to CFRP which (given the LED screens) provides quite excellent protection.
The T420 lid is much thinner than T410 lid, so it was probably a necessary move. :)

For instance, 15" T60 lids are also CFRP with no magnesium, but they are thicker than 14" ones, so it sort of works.
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#77 Post by ThinkRob » Thu May 17, 2012 1:58 pm

dr_st wrote: For instance, 15" T60 lids are also CFRP with no magnesium, but they are thicker than 14" ones, so it sort of works.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I only ever owned one 15" T60 so I didn't remember what the lid material was.

I think the CCFL->LED shift helped a lot too. You don't need to worry about cracking the backlight anymore. I've seen tons of laptops that died that way, so this is a welcome move IMHO.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#78 Post by dxps26 » Thu May 17, 2012 10:36 pm

As I said before, my personal test for laptop quality is trying to flex the screen from the corners. only the Macbook (Air and Pro both) beat the T420 in terms of rigidity. As far as I have been able to assess the market, every other laptop I could lay may hands on would flex like an 5"1/4 floppy (remember those?)

The worst offender was a Toshiba "ultrabook" - all plastic, so horrendously cheap in construction, I felt you would need to put a plaster cast around it if you decided to carry it in a backpack. The screen had the rigidity of a paperback book, inasmuch that I'd be praying to the heavens to not let the LCD be damaged whenever I open the computer's screen.

Honestly, I'd rather have a little bit of flex from the plastics, rather than thicker, heavier, harder plastics that may shatter or crack under repeated stresses (like the Palmrest on a certain T-series.) I Find the Carbon Fiber Reinforcement married with the Plastic and its subsequent improvement in Wireless performance (hence Battery Life) reduction in weight, parts count and thickness to be more useful than Metallic Lids with protruding antennas or glowing logo shaped apertures given the slim to no chance of me dropping my computer every other week or so.
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#79 Post by Ibthink » Fri May 18, 2012 5:12 am

As I said before, my personal test for laptop quality is trying to flex the screen from the corners. only the Macbook (Air and Pro both) beat the T420 in terms of rigidity. As far as I have been able to assess the market, every other laptop I could lay may hands on would flex like an 5"1/4 floppy (remember those?)
Yes, but they only feel sturdy. If you drop them, the will easily broke. The ThinkPad-Construction with the Bottom Cover Magnesium and the Top Cover Carbon Fiber Roll-Cage is much more robust in this case.
The worst offender was a Toshiba "ultrabook" - all plastic, so horrendously cheap in construction, I felt you would need to put a plaster cast around it if you decided to carry it in a backpack. The screen had the rigidity of a paperback book, inasmuch that I'd be praying to the heavens to not let the LCD be damaged whenever I open the computer's screen.
Absolutely right. I´ve seen this garbage in a local electronic market and it was the worst build notebook I´ve ever seen.
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#80 Post by dxps26 » Sat May 19, 2012 10:30 am

Afterword - A Lesson for Lenovo

As a member of the Hospitality Industry, I deal with the most impractical and irrational machine ever made - Humans. Lenovo should have no trouble dealing with something as simple as a piece of Computer Hardware, yet it does. Maybe a little nudge from across industries will help them work better. So Lenovo, read these out, tack them to the door of the bathroom, tattoo them to the insides of your eyelids, whatever. But learn!!

1. Consolidate your support network. nothing frustrates a customer more when he's trying to get support than being redirected to another department. The customer sees no departments or areas of responsibility, they are transparent for him/her. Train your staff to latch onto cases and retrieve information. It does not help to be talking to Atlanta, GA one minute and Bangalore, India the next, and having to explain the entire story all over again. Record and Share Case histories by assigning a Single Case number for problem units until the matter is closed. While the people at Atlanta are well-trained, there are times when they need to shunt a call over to other areas.
It is frustrating when that happens because you need to tell your tale of misery and woe all over again. More often than not it turns out that your call is transferred again to another department because the first person either misunderstood your case, or directed you to the wrong area.

2. Monitor the success of repairs and follow-up with the customer. Just a friendly 'hello' from Lenovo asking if everything has been set up to expectations for the customer will be worth a lot more than giving a number to call in case things are not up to mark. A simple, short email will be sufficient. Don't let that email lead to some kind of online survey (we LOATHE those) but be redirected to a Customer Services Manager who can assign a person to engage with the customer.

3. Train your technicians - from the looks of the botched repairs on my T420, it seems Lenovo is paying their sub-contractors by the number of machines processed in the least time. Sub-Contractors will always find ways to game the system. You're using the wrong metric to measure the success ratio of the repair depots. (this is another reason for assigning ONE case number for a customer/unit until the situation is resolved - I had to deal with 4 case numbers - why increase your work for tracking problem units across the world??) if you find a particular case number is being given the run-around, escalate it automatically.

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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#81 Post by lophiomys » Sat May 19, 2012 10:41 am

Since giving free advice didn't help during the past years,
I tend towards the approach Henry VIII would have taken.
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#82 Post by dxps26 » Sat May 19, 2012 10:55 am

lophiomys wrote:Since giving free advice didn't help during the past years,
I tend towards the approach Henry VIII would have taken.
:eek:
Behead the Managers!
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SCNR

you just made my day. :lol:
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#83 Post by bill bolton » Sat May 19, 2012 9:34 pm

dxps26 wrote:If you want to serve Professionals, Be Professional yourself.
If you want professional level service, you need to pay professioanl level prices for it! :roll:

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#84 Post by dxps26 » Sat May 19, 2012 10:49 pm

bill bolton wrote: If you want professional level service, you need to pay professioanl level prices for it! :roll:
Lenovo surely did carve off a pound of my flesh (worth about $160, as per prevailing market prices) when I opted for the Thinkpad Protection Plan, which I suppose could be considered the Premier level of Warranty service.

That's about 13% of the Sale Price of the Unit.

I think It's a high enough price to be treated as 'professional level!' :D
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#85 Post by bill bolton » Sun May 20, 2012 7:54 pm

dxps26 wrote:I think It's a high enough price to be treated as 'professional level!'
That's just additional insurance cover for a wider range of risks, not anything to do with service levels per se. :BAAAD!:

If you want professional level service, you need to pay professional level prices for it... but you seem to expect to get the service levels that were offered when Thinkpads were priced at professional levels (i.e. MUCH, MUCH more than they cost today) while paying today's commodity prices :roll:

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#86 Post by dxps26 » Sun May 20, 2012 11:51 pm

bill bolton wrote: That's just additional insurance cover for a wider range of risks, not anything to do with service levels per se.

If you want professional level service, you need to pay professional level prices for it... but you seem to expect to get the service levels that were offered when Thinkpads were priced at professional levels (i.e. MUCH, MUCH more than they cost today) while paying today's commodity prices :roll:
I see what you mean.

So, now that I'm Stuck on Planet Thinkpad for the next Five Years or so, what does one do?

I'm in love with the keyboard, the Trackpoint, the Matte Finish, the UltraBay, The Wireless performance, the general utilitarian aesthetic and the 'otherness' of the machine in a sea of shiny plastic and sometimes milled aluminum. It connects to me like my knives do when I'm working, a deeply personal bond one forges with his tools.

But to say that because the unit is 'commodity priced' and therefore is undeserving of the kind of service that Thinkpads used to get in the $2000+ days is in my opinion, an oversimplification. I think with the lowering of costs, there will be corners cut naturally in some places or the other. When you're selling machines at several thousand dollars a pop, you can afford to absorb a few losses here and there. But this is not the Nineties anymore, and there is no budget surplus to be had. Everybody, without exception, is cost-conscious to a level far above the boom times.

Here's the Disconnect-we've become used to paying higher prices and getting premier services, but as prices have crashed, our expectations have not. I have learned this lesson the hard way with this machine. It is no longer feasible for corporations to be as liberal as they were, simply because we are not as liberal with our cash as we used to be!

So for us to expect the velvet gloves is a fallacy, especially when we've been lulled into believing that one has to pay a lot more money to be accommodated in the 'A-list' of service. There isn't an A-list, even if you end up paying a lot more. All the Calls are answered by the same people at the same call center.

The only way to get your due is to be vocal about it. The world around us has changed so much, There was no YouTube for me to post a video of a flexing Keyboard back in 1997, but now there is. We can't just lay back and expect things to roll our way anymore because the dynamics of the market are far leaner than they used to be. If the Manufacturer is going to be taut on Services, we have to be equally resilient in ensuring that this does not devolve into a catharsis where customers are left high and dry. We can't be Lazy. After all, I don't think there has ever been a time like this where the voice of a few Customers can reverse trends, and the level of Rights and Protection a Customer gets these days is amazing. We have the tools. It's no longer about paying the money and kicking back, because that's not what the manufacturer is doing. He's looking for ways to cull expenses, and if we are going to be passive about problem products, we'll be slashed and burnt.

This redoubtable forum has been instrumental in helping me get my due, and I simply cannot express how grateful I am for being a part of this intelligent community.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#87 Post by asiafish » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:07 pm

Kaze22 wrote:This is what happens when you go from Laptops costing 2 grand to laptops costing 900 dollars.
Where do you think the 1100 dollars went? It went to the lowest bidders able to manufacture the cheapest parts, even if IBM still owned the Thinkpad line, it would be the same thing with these market prices. When I first saw the T420, my first impression was the built quality has declined since the T60 days.

The T420 is now considered a lower end Thinkpad now, if you wanted to impress, then you should have gone with the T420s. The built quality between the T420 and the T420s are night and day.

There's an old saying "You get what you pay for."

I bought a X301 back it was first released for almost 2 grand. Still using it to this day. Now that was quality, 2000 dollars worth of quality, ask someone to pay that now for a laptop and you'd be laughed out of the room. Not even Macbooks can command those prices nowadays.

Lenovo still makes good Thinkpads you just have to dig deeper into your wallet to get them.
The T420 is big and bulky, and not very well built. But then again what do you expect for those prices.
For a few hundred dollars more you can get the T420s which is closer to what you'd expect from a Thinkpad.
You most definitely will pay $2000 for a high-end MacBook. My Retina MacBook Pro was $3000, my maxed out MacBook Air (last year's) was something like $1600 and the new ones can top $2200. The non-retina 15" MacBook Pro is even more expensive than the Retina when similarly configured.

Those expensive Apples, like the expensive ThinkPads, are also extremely well built. You DO get what you pay for.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#88 Post by asiafish » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:22 pm

lead_org wrote:Some of the Chinese government agencies use ThinkPad, but not all of them, as there are quite a lot of Dell machines in service too. But many Chinese professionals whom do know a little about computers will use ThinkPads, those who don't know much about computers get Macbook Pro or Air as a fashion statement.

The Chinese military used a Lenovo built fully ruggerised machine, much like the Panasonic Toughbook.
Most who use a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air use it because they want OS X.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#89 Post by dxps26 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:34 pm

asiafish wrote:Most who use a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air use it because they want OS X.
A lot of developers have moved to OSX thanks to the UNIX compliance, but a large number of them buy the Air and replace OSX with the OS of their choice. The Air and Retina MBP are both excellent machines in their own right.
for some of us, though, Windows and Linux are like home, and Thinkpads are the cosy, well-sat in leather armchairs near the fireplace. I for one, cannot stand the ergonomics (or lack thereof) in the Apple machines.
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Re: I have lost my faith in the Thinkpad Brand.

#90 Post by wolfman » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:05 pm

I agree with the above. One specific thing that made me realize I'd never buy a Mac for software development occurred not long after the first Intel Macbooks shipped. Many of my Java developer friends bought Intel based Mac's with Core Duo processors (e.g., 32 bit processors) for the reasons above - Unix goodness, initially they appeared developer friendly (they were recruiting developers), break away from Windows.

Then the Core 2 Duo Macbooks shipped and Apple, since they package the Java Developer Kit for OS X, decided that when Java 6 came along, they were only going to release a 64 bit version. Just like that, all the early adopter Java developers with 32 bit Intel Macs were screwed. They were developing on Java 5 with no path to Java 6 merely because Apple released only a 32 Java Runtime Environment and not a 32 bit Java Developer Kit of Java 6. I guess they figured programmers make a good buck and can afford to buy new machines after a year. For every other platform (Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc) you could get a 32 bit JDK for Java 6 *except* the Mac.

A company like that can't be trusted. I'll stick with my Thinkpad running Linux thank you very much.
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