New article about the ThinkPad changes
New article about the ThinkPad changes
Jane
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2015 X1 Carbon, ThinkPad Slate, T410s, X301, X300, X200 Tablet, T60p, HP TouchPad, iPad Air 2, iPhone 5S, IdeaTab A2107A, Yoga 3 Pro
Bill Morrow's thinkpads.com Facebook group
I'm on Twitter
I do NOT respond to PM or e-mail requests for personal tech support.
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ausmike
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Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
Yips ! and IMHO if David Hill , still IGNOREs the USER/PUBLIC outcry
Thinkpads WILL END UP like .... Xerox (where are you NOW?)
There is another good 'example' comes to mind > Coke !!
They were forced to go BACK TO origional coke !!
...in my view its 'travasty of worst kind' to mess with something that didnt need to
> jsut because it ddidnt needed it in first place!! NOW HE IS GOING around 'preaching need for change' .... wonder why ?
BRING BACK OLD Thinkpad keyboards .......
Thinkpads WILL END UP like .... Xerox (where are you NOW?)
There is another good 'example' comes to mind > Coke !!
They were forced to go BACK TO origional coke !!
...in my view its 'travasty of worst kind' to mess with something that didnt need to
> jsut because it ddidnt needed it in first place!! NOW HE IS GOING around 'preaching need for change' .... wonder why ?
BRING BACK OLD Thinkpad keyboards .......
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Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
Apparently, we just don't get it...David Hill wrote:3. Be prepared to defend your design classic to those who just don’t get it.
/s
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Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
It's funny and rather saddening at the same time. Where did all that listening to the community go? They used to be good at listening to what the community wants(return of the stripes on TrackPoint buttons, ThinkPad USB keyboard, SATA 6G after the T61 debacle among others) and now look where it's headed. As if the community ceased to exist, that is, it all fell on deaf ears.
Though the deaf ears is not so true seeing that effort to defend the new keyboard on their blog. Has anyone inside stopped for just one moment and thought "hey, they're kicking and screaming about this keyboard. Could there be something wrong with it?"
It's clouded. On one side they're cheering on about the 20th anniversary and design classics, on the other side, they're trying to force down their so called changes.
It seems Hill himself is trying to use the ThinkPad name to ride on as a way of pushing this new "stuff" if that's the right way to describe it. He described it as evolving, but there needs to be question on whether or not the current stages are evolving in the wrong way? Oh well.
What horrors lie ahead on October 5? Hill described a need for dramatic. Maybe it's an X1 carbon or ThinkPad tablet II in brown leather
Though the deaf ears is not so true seeing that effort to defend the new keyboard on their blog. Has anyone inside stopped for just one moment and thought "hey, they're kicking and screaming about this keyboard. Could there be something wrong with it?"
It's clouded. On one side they're cheering on about the 20th anniversary and design classics, on the other side, they're trying to force down their so called changes.
It seems Hill himself is trying to use the ThinkPad name to ride on as a way of pushing this new "stuff" if that's the right way to describe it. He described it as evolving, but there needs to be question on whether or not the current stages are evolving in the wrong way? Oh well.
What horrors lie ahead on October 5? Hill described a need for dramatic. Maybe it's an X1 carbon or ThinkPad tablet II in brown leather
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Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
It is possible that what David Hill writes can be appreciated by designers. As a thinkpad user, it comes across as rationalization to protect himself from his corporate masters and criticisms from unhappy users - at least those users who think that we are stuck with a (once highly regarded) product which we no longer want to use or purchase.
Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
yak, YMMD.yak wrote:
Apparently, we just don't get it...
/s
Especially after revisiting the headline of this marketing post by Lenovo:
Change Is Hard: Why You Should Give In to the New ThinkPad Keyboard
close to 200 complaints now.
Lophiomys
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ausmike
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Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
oops wow 200 'complaints" ..wonder HOW MANY "NON_BUYERS" ...but waite ! - i know of 6k thinkpads not 'ordered' just this july=june year !lophiomys wrote:[........You Should Give In to the New ThinkPad Keyboard[/url]
close to 200 complaints now.
pppfffff.................
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Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
Sigh...and the beat goes on. When it became clear my T520 wasn't going to cut it for some upcoming work (needed ISV-certified graphics), my first thought was to order a CTO W530 as a replacement....then I remembered the keyboard. Since I was bound to get a lesser keyboard layout in whatever I purchased (save an Outlet W520, which I didn't want because on a higher-cost purchase, I wanted longer support coverage), I had no problem considering a Dell or HP...both of which came stock with 3-year onsite coverage. The Lenovo simply had little to make it stand out anymore. Crazy, because a couple years ago, I'd have ordered Lenovo without thinking twice. (The HP won out, by the way).
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Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
I think the absolute silence from Lenovo in that comment thread about the revised layout complaints and questions says it all - they just don't care.lophiomys wrote:close to 200 complaints now.
Jane
2015 X1 Carbon, ThinkPad Slate, T410s, X301, X300, X200 Tablet, T60p, HP TouchPad, iPad Air 2, iPhone 5S, IdeaTab A2107A, Yoga 3 Pro
Bill Morrow's thinkpads.com Facebook group
I'm on Twitter
I do NOT respond to PM or e-mail requests for personal tech support.
2015 X1 Carbon, ThinkPad Slate, T410s, X301, X300, X200 Tablet, T60p, HP TouchPad, iPad Air 2, iPhone 5S, IdeaTab A2107A, Yoga 3 Pro
Bill Morrow's thinkpads.com Facebook group
I'm on Twitter
I do NOT respond to PM or e-mail requests for personal tech support.
Re: New article about the ThinkPad changes
Yep until some large corporate customers reduce or cancel shipments or at least complain nothing will be done.JaneL wrote:
I think the absolute silence from Lenovo in that comment thread about the revised layout complaints and questions says it all - they just don't care.
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Previous Thinkpads: A21m, R40, X61, T410
Desktop: AMD FX-8350 (8 cores) | 32gb ECC RAM | 240gb Intel 530 SSD + 1tb 7200 RPM | Ubuntu 14.04 x64 | HP ZR24w
Previous Thinkpads: A21m, R40, X61, T410
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