Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

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Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#1 Post by BillMorrow » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:53 pm

From time to time i see an article of interest in the Wall Street Journal that I feel would interest the forum membership..
In the past I would just read it and then have a coke and a lime popsicle and move on..

But today I think I shall start something new and present these interesting news stories here and maybe in the future create a new confrence for such things.. the criteria, for now, will require that either thinkpads or lenovo be mentioned or the main thrust of the news or opinion article..
Rolfe Winkler of the Wall Street Journal wrote:Give MicrosoftMSFT -0.56% credit for improvisation. Its $2 billion investment to finance the DellDELL +0.75% buyout is yet another way to support the suffering PC ecosystem. Before long, though, the software giant may have to give ground on some of its profits, too.

For years, Microsoft (along with Intel) has generated huge profits from the software (and chips) packaged in PCs. Meanwhile, manufacturing partners were happy with scraps from the table in the form of a few percentage points of operating-profit margin. They made up for low profits in volume.

Then Apple ushered in the mobile-device revolution. Next, GoogleGOOG +0.58% joined the party with its Android mobile-operating system. The PC ecosystem was caught flat-footed. Seeing that its manufacturing partners aren't good at delivering leading-edge hardware, Microsoft decided to compete directly with those partners, launching its Surface tablet in 2012.

Its role is getting even more complicated with the money it is lending to help Michael Dell take his company private. Mr. Dell, along with private-equity firm Silver Lake Partners, proposed Tuesday a $24.4 billion buyout.

Despite its participation, Microsoft isn't getting board seats or operational control. What it is getting, apparently, is a wink and a nod that Dell won't start shipping equipment running Android, for instance. Unlike Lenovo, LNVGY +6.96% say, which has hedged its bets and built a thriving Android mobile-devices business in China, Dell will remain a loyal Microsoft shop.

The danger there is that, by limiting its technology options, Microsoft's involvement ultimately damages Dell's long-term prospects.

In fact, Mr. Dell might actually use the money to take the fight back to Lenovo, which has supplanted Dell as the No. 2 PC player by market share, behind Hewlett-Packard, HPQ +0.48% thanks to its dominant position in fast-growing China. Conventional wisdom is that Mr. Dell needs to take the company private so the grindingly slow process of transitioning away from low-margin PCs to higher-margin software and services can be done without so much public scrutiny. However, another possible strategy is to double down on PCs, attacking emerging markets where growth potential is more immediate.

Naturally, Microsoft describes its debt investment in Dell as "passive." It doesn't want partners to view it for what it truly is: sponsorship of a rival. Indeed, this investment in Dell, like the launch of the Surface, and even the subsidy Microsoft is paying Nokia, NOK1V.HE +2.77% all represent investments in hardware.

While tactically that might make sense and the amount involved is small for Microsoft, it is deploying cash into a lower-return business.

Lenovo says it wants to beat its rivals in the market. But how can it do that when they have Microsoft's financial support? It makes sense that Lenovo is selling mobile devices primarily running Google's free Android operating system and that PC-maker Acer is pushing new low-end laptops running Google's free Chrome operating system.

Microsoft software remains relatively expensive. Ultimately, all these investments in hardware and in support of partners are to help preserve an ecosystem that, in time, may need to see Microsoft share more of the spoils.
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:23 pm

Dell must have made WAY too much money, robbing PC- and laptop-buyers over the years. :evil:
Where else would he get the money to buy out his own shareholders?
Even with the help of that Silver Lake outfit, and a 'doggie bone' like from M$ (and possibly others), he himself must cough up a heck of a lot of money!
Methinks that M$ could make a lot more money by lowering the selling price of their Windows versions, rather than invest in a market (i.e. PCs) that is slowly beginning to walk on its last legs.
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#3 Post by lead_org » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:32 am

I think Dell's privatisation is probably wise in some respects if it wants to keep the vultures at bay, as the profit margin in PC market shrinks further with Intel increasing its influence in the PC ecosystem. But then again Lenovo's position is pretty precarious too, its rapid expansion has exposed many weaknesses within the current business structure, which needs to be addressed ASAP.
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#4 Post by BillMorrow » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:18 am

an interesting part of the article is that lenovo passed dell with h/p still in first place..

i can see why h/p is in first place.. i recently found an h/p laptop at a local pawn shop..
i5 cpu, sufficient memory and a big bright wide beautiful display that reminds my of my T60p UXGA or the T61p WUXGA displays..
it was about $200..!
lenovo, i think, will need to improve the displays on thinkpads..

the keyboard on the h/p is not so good but my typing is as bad or worse regardless of the keyboard..

of course i have yet to see one of the new keyboards that so annoyes some of the old guard of thinkpad owners..

i guess there are advantages to being impecunious..
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#5 Post by lead_org » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:11 am

From what I know Lenovo design much of their ThinkPad classic line around what their enterprise customer wants and their own profit margin. This is what make Lenovo competitive in the enterprise and corporate customers.

W70x and X30x laptops are Lenovo's unique creation trying to out do the competitors, but these machines sold in the x0,000 units, just enough cover R&D and Marketing costs, but not nearly as successful as the regular X2xx series.

Also Lenovo foray into the intel atom CPU with win 8 think tablet was promptly turned from a possibly 'successful and unique' offerings into a product that pretty much failed at launch when MS decided to enter win 8 tablet competition with Surface. Helix will be Lenovo's saving grace, if prompt launch and delivery can occur on time.
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#6 Post by pianowizard » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:48 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Dell must have made WAY too much money, robbing PC- and laptop-buyers over the years....Methinks that M$ could make a lot more money by lowering the selling price of their Windows versions,
Let me make sure I understood you correctly. You are saying Mr. Dell should have sold his computers for less money. On the other hand, if M$ sells Windows for less money, it would make a lot more money. So, if Mr. Dell sells his computers for less money, wouldn't he too make even more money? And then wouldn't you complain even more about his robbing buyers money?
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#7 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:02 pm

It's so easy to make your own context... and then trying to bait someone.
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#8 Post by DRobinson » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:18 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Methinks that M$ could make a lot more money by lowering the selling price of their Windows versions, rather than invest in a market (i.e. PCs) that is slowly beginning to walk on its last legs.
I can see this. I am an avid GNU/Linux user. Even if I was not, Windows is priced way too high for me to use.

Example1 : I recently got qty3 T4x machines and qty2 parts machines for 40 bucks from recycler. +6$ caddys +15$ compact flash/ide adaptors + 30$ compact flash. 3 Windows 7 capable machines for ~30$ each with batteries, docks, and 2 parts pcs. So, do I want to add 100$ (more than triple what I have into the machines) to this in order to run Win 7? No thanks. Linux can do the job for next to no cost on my part.

Example2: purchased T60 SXGA+ off ebay for 100$. Add 32GB SSD 50$. 150 total. Not bad for a pretty decent machine. But, would it be decent for 250$? No. For 250 I may as well just put a little more money out and get a brand new machne with much better specs.
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#9 Post by pianowizard » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:08 pm

DRobinson wrote:Example1 : I recently got qty3 T4x machines and qty2 parts machines for 40 bucks from recycler. +6$ caddys +15$ compact flash/ide adaptors + 30$ compact flash. 3 Windows 7 capable machines for ~30$ each with batteries, docks, and 2 parts pcs. So, do I want to add 100$ (more than triple what I have into the machines) to this in order to run Win 7? No thanks. Linux can do the job for next to no cost on my part.
If these laptops have Windows XP COA stickers, then you can install XP for free, too.
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Re: Microsoft's Marriage Made in Dell

#10 Post by BillMorrow » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:47 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Dell must have made WAY too much money, robbing PC- and laptop-buyers over the years. :evil:
Where else would he get the money to buy out his own shareholders?
Even with the help of that Silver Lake outfit, and a 'doggie bone' like from M$ (and possibly others), he himself must cough up a heck of a lot of money!
Methinks that M$ could make a lot more money by lowering the selling price of their Windows versions, rather than invest in a market (i.e. PCs) that is slowly beginning to walk on its last legs.
errr, hem..
that sounds a bit socialist don'tchthink..!
that sort of thing(king) works only up to a point and the marketplace being what it is dell probably priced their stuff competitively..

my experience with dell has been that they had some great displays for reasonable prices at the time..
yeah, i think/know dell has others build monitors and so forth but to their spec..
and dell remarkets lots of other stuff..
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