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WTF?!: NYTimes on teens & tech gadgets

#1 Post by K. Eng » Sat May 28, 2005 3:53 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/29/fashi ... ester.html
Although parents have long struggled with their teenagers' desire to own the newest, coolest stuff, these days the battle has reached a new dimension. While teenagers once coveted $100 sneakers and jeans (arguably necessities because, after all, they are clothes), the must-have items now - iPods, cellphones with cameras, and portable DVD players - are high-tech, constantly in need of upgrade and can cost up to $500 each. These items, which teenagers say they must have to maintain their place in the social pecking order, are increasingly out of reach for most high school students, who are less likely these days to hold part-time jobs. Researchers who study child behavior call this pressure "nag factor" or "pester power," and often use it to describe how young children, in whom advertising has planted a desire for junk food or toys, lobby their parents. Now the same pestering is reaching a fever pitch among teenagers, who crave an ever-expanding collection of high-tech items they can't possibly afford....
I'm 24, I grew up in relatively affluent suburbia, and all I can say is WTF?! Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, considering that kids in my day pushed their parents to spend $80 on a pair of Nike Air 180 sneakers, but this crass materialism is getting out of hand. When I was a teenager it never even crossed my mind to demand expensive things from my parents.

I admit that I like having devices, but only if they are useful. I have a nice compact cell phone (basic model that came with plan, no camera or other gadgets), but no PDA/Smartphone/Blackberry. I have an iPod that I got for free, but no portable DVD player.

Maybe I never understood this consumerism business. I just don't understand gadgets as fashion accessories. It makes me shudder to think that laptop computers and cell phones are now in the same category as gucci handbags and designer jeans.
IT is no secret that Apple's sleek iPod, costing $99 to $449, has become, to the American teenager, a de rigueur fashion item, not just a handy gadget.

"The iPod blew up the category," said Sharon Lee, a founder of Look-Look Inc., a company in Hollywood that tracks teenage consumer behavior. Not only did Apple's MP3 player "open a category that just didn't exist before," she said; it changed the way teenagers thought about gadgetry.
I have an iPod, but only because I got it free from a database service I use. I don't think I'd ever pay for one, or ask anyone to get me one as a gift.

Am I the only one who thinks that the consumer society may be getting out of hand? I just wonder why people buy things for the sake of buying them, instead of buying things for their utility.

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#2 Post by Navck » Sat May 28, 2005 8:43 pm

Heh. Kids at my school cheat with their iPods, and they're still computer illterate.

Blah, I had a Palmpilot.
Palm 1000 (Given by father)
Palm III (Ditto)
Palm IIIe (BROKEN! 3 of them, warrantys covered)
Zire 71 (Died on self, big time hit onto my self)

Everyone else had iPods. "OMG WE GOT DA IPODZ"
Then everyone goes "OMG RAZR 3 !!! OMG IT GOT THE GODNLYNESS"
With their 300 dollar family plan, unlimited pictures, and messanging
They're just spoiled Southern California republican (No political insult, but their familys ARE republican... Plus they're rich, or buy stuff even if they're poor)

Me? I just have some Sony Ericsson, no camera, no thrills. No messanging. 300 minute plan which I only use 24 minutes that I ever used, and having 200ish minutes carried over... Who cares about cellphone reception when you got a landline?

Everyone has a 5000 dollar "DELL XPS" and brags about "OMG I LIEK PLAY NEED FOR SPEED" and other low requirement racing games, then go "OMG AWP !!! COUNTERSTRIKE PWFFFTTOWNERED" you. Hmmm, sounds like idiot AIM talk syndrome. (AIM also can stand for, Almost Intelligent Message)
And remember, these are kids with D averages...
I get an 4.0 GPA, work my [censored] off in middileschool, 8th grade. Yet I don't get 800 dollar cellphones, with 300 dollar monthly plans, plus I just got an above average computer, no Thinkpad (Hopefully to get one sometime for highschool and college... Yep, college, I plan to use it THAT long). No fancy clothes. Infact, I don't even dress in fashion or anything. I don't nag my parents either. Plus I'm in special education, would you belive that?

Hmmm who said "SPECIAL EDUCATION HAHA YOU SUCK YOU'RE RETURDED", then walks off with their Dell XPS Gen 2, and types "OMG DOODZ I PWND LIEK SOME RETURD KID" is certainly spoiled in my standards

Thats my littile ranting...

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#3 Post by wolfman » Sat May 28, 2005 9:45 pm

This kind of falls in line with what I've encountered in charitable work: it's easier to get people to give money than to get them to give time.

Kids nagging you? Here's a cell phone; ipod; laptop; cool clothes; credit card to go shopping with - <insert your desired item here>...leave me to myself. Fact is a large percentage of people have enough disposable income that they can afford to trade currency for "me" time. That can be a very good thing, time is worth more than money, but somewhere along the way I think we've gone "out of bounds".

As for the "AIM speak" - sometime in our society it became cool to be average - to not strive to stand out and be successful. When I was in school the big change was kids who did well and were given awards didn't want to receive them - not because of being shy - but because of being mocked and laughed at for excelling. Something that we as a society have to come to terms with - or we truely are in societal decay.
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#4 Post by GoEatFood » Sat May 28, 2005 10:37 pm

well, I am one of those D average kids that had all the gadgets. yet, I knew more about computers than any computer teacher I've ever had. plus the fact that I really just didn't see the importance of school...so, I did what I needed to so I could graduate never anything more(every one else in my family has been 3.5+gpa students)...now, my family is very well off with out saying much. these gadgets/things my parents got me didn't go to waste. saying people Rep. kids from california are idiots is an insult to me. yes, I must admit that a lot of people in california are all about the fashion statement they make. yet, speaking in generializations neither makes you seem as intellegent as you speak nor does it make your point seem very valid to me...yes, I know it was a generaliztation. but, is it really needed? it's like me being racist because a lot of black people do illegal things and saying all black people are crooks or something else stupid like that.

I have to agree it is very annoying to see other people with things they don't need.

K. Eng to your comment about when you were younger and you didn't expect expensive things from your parents...80 dollars for a pair of sneakers 20 years ago would have seemed insane. with the way people value money big screen TV's are the next I think part of being a parent is buying your childern the things they want.

what I said might not make much sense to any of you. but, I'm perfectly fine with that I wasn't really trying to prove a point just express my opinion on the subject.

yes, I know things are spelled incorrectly and the grammar is off. you don't need to correct it this isn't school.

I'm done.
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#5 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sat May 28, 2005 10:55 pm

I'm a teenager myself, I'm 18 to be specific. I was born in 1987 and grew up most of my life so far in the 1990's. I have been spoiled by many luxuries as anyone growing up in middle class America but we have to remember that these articles and such cover VERY broad areas and are designed to get readers and ratings.

Now, my parents have provided me with my own desktop, tv, game system, cell phone and telephone as well as many many other luxuries for which I am very greatful. I also enjoy having good meals every night. However, not all kids and teens are as some of you say.

I was 12 when I finally got a GameBoy of my own. I remember the day I got it in Fall of 1999. I remember it well because I had to pay for it with my OWN cash.

My three ThinkPads, bought two and built the third (I even have a thread where I talk about building my 760XD.)

There's more, but I'm jsut gonna put down those two examples since my hand is getting tired and I just need enough to push the point.

Now, wolfman, I couldn't agree with ya more. I hate aimspeak, especially when I'm talking to people face to face and they use it. As for cell phones, well, my favorite feature is the off switch.

Lots of what has been said here is accurate, I should know, I go to the preppiest high school in all of Georgia. I live in the middle of one of the most developed suburbs of Atlanta, I live in the East Cobb part of Marietta. At my school, on a very regular basis, I stumble upon kids paying off other kids to do their work, using sports team status to get out of work, etc. However, as accurate as you folks are on many issues here, claiming this describes all kids is like me saying all you folks who have an entire messageboard on computers are nothing but ugly old geeks who can't do a single push up and couldn't get a girl if they were trying to do so in a red Porsche and while waving a wallet fatter than Donald Trumps. That statement is not true, well, for most, I hope, but it is the general image of most computer enthusiasts, myself included, well, except that I can at least do a few push ups (to get put of bed, push up, roll over, jog to fridge :) ) and I had a high maintenance girlfriend I'm happy to no longer have 8) .
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#6 Post by pphilipko » Sat May 28, 2005 11:21 pm

I've never thought about it, but i think it just depends on the person. I have quite a strong aversion towards those "spoilt" brats who never understand the value of money.

Interestingly enough, I seem to have everything that anyone could possibly want, but I've never felt the need to "upgrade" my various paraphernalia; I just use them until they break! :P I used to have an iSeries 1300 in Grade 5, but finally, after 4 and a half years of heavy use, the motherboard just died. :roll: So, I just went to apply for a office job in the summer and just managed to collect 4300 dollars to get a T41p (I soon exchanged it for a X40; didn't need the extra firepower). I've never understood why kids beg parents to buy something for them, when they could just work for it (it also helps teens to understand that money just doesn't come from a tree; they have to work for it!)

Btw, though many would be drooling at my setup :D, and thinking that I'm one of those D students, I'm in fact an A+ student, and keeping my extracurriculars up! But I guess it's too early to tell, as I'm only 14.
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#7 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sun May 29, 2005 1:05 am

pphilipko wrote:I just use them until they break!
I hear ya there. I have a 4 year old Handspring Visor, an 8 year old Palm Pilot Professional, two ThinkPad 760's and a 380 all that seem to not want to give up their will to live. The 760xd's been acting a little quirky lately and I've had trouble with her on the docking staiton lately but I think 5 minutes and a screwdriver can fix that. Too bad i can't say the same for my desktop. It's out of commision until I get my warranty replacement for the 4 month old WD 1200JB hard drive that just bit the dust. I also bought a Samsung 997DF (Best CRT around and only $200) last summer with my dad. He chipped in half and I chipped in the other half. I plan to use that until OLED's or something else takes the place of CRT.
Btw, though many would be drooling at my setup Very Happy, and thinking that I'm one of those D students, I'm in fact an A+ student, and keeping my extracurriculars up! But I guess it's too early to tell, as I'm only 14.
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#8 Post by daeojkim » Sun May 29, 2005 1:21 am

When I have kids, they will not get anything for free. Except for birthdays or Xmas may be.

They will have to earn for things that they desire. Either do well in school, be active, get a part time job during summer or do volunteer work. No allowances, They will have to learn the value of hard work and they will appreciate more what they earn.

You can win a millions dollars on a lottery and spend it in a matter of a year or less (many lottery winners go bankrupt after few years) because they did not "earn" and do not appreciate as much.

I dunno may be it's just me but I don't have patience for lazy kids.
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#9 Post by K. Eng » Sun May 29, 2005 9:38 am

:shock:

That's pretty good initiative there, to make enough money to buy a T41p at age 14. I'm guessing that as long as you keep up that work ethic, you'll stay an A student.
pphilipko wrote:So, I just went to apply for a office job in the summer and just managed to collect 4300 dollars to get a T41p (I soon exchanged it for a X40; didn't need the extra firepower). I've never understood why kids beg parents to buy something for them, when they could just work for it (it also helps teens to understand that money just doesn't come from a tree; they have to work for it!)

Btw, though many would be drooling at my setup :D, and thinking that I'm one of those D students, I'm in fact an A+ student, and keeping my extracurriculars up! But I guess it's too early to tell, as I'm only 14.
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#10 Post by K. Eng » Sun May 29, 2005 9:49 am

$80 for a pair of sneakers did seem insane in 1989... until Reebok released its 'pump' line of sneakers - those cost $120/pair :shock: Consumer Reports Magazine actually tested the Reebok pumps, and found that the sneakers actually caused people to run slower and jump lower than they would with Nike Air sneakers because the pump aparatus made the shoes heavy.

But $80 back then wasn't like $300-400 today. I'd say $80 back then is more like $150 today. The cost of what kids want is going up.

I'm not a parent, but I don't think part of being a parent is buying your kids what they want. The kids shouldn't be the boss in the family!
GoEatFood wrote: K. Eng to your comment about when you were younger and you didn't expect expensive things from your parents...80 dollars for a pair of sneakers 20 years ago would have seemed insane. with the way people value money big screen TV's are the next I think part of being a parent is buying your childern the things they want.
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#11 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sun May 29, 2005 11:29 am

All kids deserve some luxury items. Every once in a while it's nice to buy them a good spoiler present. Just don't do so on a regular basis so you don't spoil them too much.
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#12 Post by Chordate » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:04 pm

I am 18 and I have to have the top of the line gadgets... the difference is that I pay for them all myself.

I bought a tablet PC the week they were released, I got a Razr right when it came out, I just ordered a T43P, I also have a PSP, Panasonic D-Snap, Sony DSC-T7, Treo 650 and when Pocket PC 2005 comes out, I will get a new pocket PC. I always have to stay on top...

I also am a watch collector, and I have a few very nice watches. And of course, my Porsche, which was the only thing listed that has been paid for by my parents.

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#13 Post by JHaislet » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:10 pm

You forgot to mention the silver spoon... :roll:
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#14 Post by K. Eng » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:48 pm

/taps sarcasm meter... :?:

Out of curiousity, how can you afford all that equipment? I assume you are in high school and may have a job, but the vast majority of jobs that high schoolers work don't pay even close to enough to cover all that stuff.

When I was in high school, my friends who worked made just enough to cover car payments and insurance, never mind a T43p :shock:
Chordate wrote:I am 18 and I have to have the top of the line gadgets... the difference is that I pay for them all myself.

I bought a tablet PC the week they were released, I got a Razr right when it came out, I just ordered a T43P,
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#15 Post by benplaut » Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:49 pm

i've really been going overboard in my "needs" lately :oops:



the thinkpad was a must-have. in my school, it is almost required to have a computer of your own, and recommended to have a laptop, so i got a good 'ol, upgradeable, reliable thinkpad. i didn't go for the latest and greatest T42p, i went for a nice T40. Good enough for my needs, and it will last a while.

i recently had a bar-mitzvah, and my family in Israel wanted to get me something expensive, and electronic :shock: . i happily obliged, spending a month in research, and coming out wanting a Sharp Zaurus C1000. that's about the extent of my tech. the 17" moniter? $5 at a yard-sale. the wireless 5 button mouse? free from a dumpster. the cellphone? the cheapest money could buy :lol:


all of my electronics put together aren't worth as much as most of yalls' T43 :lol:
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#16 Post by Navck » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:27 pm

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmes ... c=21880465
Hey guys look, someone lost their 450 dollar iPod, and their parents are canceling their videocard. Now they're whining, and 6/10 users agree that he should get it... Apparently someones spoiled there...

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#17 Post by Chordate » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:13 pm

JHaislet wrote:You forgot to mention the silver spoon... :roll:
I have worked for the last three summers, full time, to make enough money to pay for my needs. When you were 16, 17 and 18, what did you do during your summers.

I forgot to mention that I have an Ipod photo.

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#18 Post by Chordate » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:15 pm

K. Eng wrote:/taps sarcasm meter... :?:

Out of curiousity, how can you afford all that equipment? I assume you are in high school and may have a job, but the vast majority of jobs that high schoolers work don't pay even close to enough to cover all that stuff.

When I was in high school, my friends who worked made just enough to cover car payments and insurance, never mind a T43p :shock:
Chordate wrote:I am 18 and I have to have the top of the line gadgets... the difference is that I pay for them all myself.

I bought a tablet PC the week they were released, I got a Razr right when it came out, I just ordered a T43P,
...
Well, the bulk of my money I made through trading stocks. I had a small job when I was 14, which made me a few grand during the summer. I have turned that into a nice sum of money. I made 12.50 an hour last summer, and 10.00 an hour this summer. So I pull in 400 a week, and there are like 10 weeks during the summer, so thats 4 grand.

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