Thinkpad T43p heating

[shawross]

I think the Frankenpad as RBS suggests is worth $150 - $250 USD depending on the condition.


I would only think a T43 is worth $15 - $50 USD depending on the internals and condition. A poor condition T43 is junk and maybe worth $5.

Keyboard condition is a good indication of usage.

Saying that it is your money to spend.

[boodi]

I think the Frankenpad as RBS suggests is worth $150 - $250 USD depending on the condition.

ok.. so I assume i've been given different prices on pm ( quite a bit higher )

leave alone ebay

if I ever saw or found one for 200$ i would have stopped instantly , bought even 2 if they were available for that price
but never saw that price

I would only think a T43 is worth $15 - $50 USD depending on the internals and condition. A poor condition T43 is junk and maybe worth $5.

unfortunately I never saw or run into these prices , anywhere ..forum , ebay or live..
I thought they regularly sold for $100 or more if functional etc, anywhere

[shawross]

Checkout this website

http://ktgee.net/post/49423737148/thinkpad-guide

There is no Frankenpads but you get the idea from the T61p systems

This is a well written guide by a person who does frequent this forum.

The T43 doesn't even get a mention because they are virtually redundant.

Remember this is only a guide but it is a very good guide by someone who knows Thinkpads and what they are worth.

If you are paying outside the limits of this guide you must be getting something very special.

The Frankenpad is special so it is outside the prices for the T61 series.

Thinkpads are well made but you need to know what they are worth and their true condition.

Buying from someone on the forum is probably the safest option if you can.


Goodluck on your purchase.

[boodi]

any seller who stick to this guide , for price reference .. welcome : I will buy your t601/frankenpad

[ajkula66]

any seller who stick to this guide , for price reference .. welcome : I will buy your t601/frankenpad

Good luck with that one...

[boodi]

thanks ajkula66..( also for your support on removing the fan in the t43 . i really appreciated that )

I don't know if it can be of any interest to anyone , but the prices I've figured out , as well as got pm , for functioning frankenpads , are definitely not in the $200 range
leave alone there's one fully loaded + optional currently selling for $1000cnd on the marketplace: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=121186

as well as I don't think if in real a decent working t43p ( not missing parts ) can be had -anywhere , if not by an *extremely rare lucky day*- : at the price of 15-50$


so i guess I will eventually offer $100 for one decent t43p if i find a good one , and likely happy with that deal

[shawross]

The price range of $15 - $50 is for a T43 not a T43p. If you find a good T43p it is worth $100 maybe more.

It is difficult to generalize on prices and if you find something special from a trusted source you will probably have to pay a premium.

[RealBlackStuff]

My SATA-modded T43 is for sale here: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=120015
$140 shipped within USA is very reasonable for such a modded machine.
$190 shipped to Italy (but without battery) is still not bad...
Add $60 for an upgrade to a Sharp UXGA (1600x1200) with ASV (IPS characteristics)

[boodi]

I got an r61i

PN: 8943-dkg

will keep you posted , supposely works but I can bring it back if it doesnt work
screen is 15'' , model supposely is quite base , and carry a 1024x768 screen
condition is nice no signs or cracks on the lid or case ; no hd
very little bits of shine on keyboard.


should I be happy ..I don't know .probably yes .
It was quite a flash sale.. for the price I just had to choose and say ok , return is available so ..
starting price was $50 and was able to get it $40

there were some t4x/p ..all in all and given the limited time I had for making a choice in that moment I considered them quite less inviting and focused on the r61i

I can bring it back nontheless and eventually change it for a t4x/p

I will have to spend some time on making upgrades
and of course frankenpad it : upgrade to a 15 uxga+ ips ; i never changed and lcd but should be feasible (?)

this only if and when i will turn it on , verify that it is in good working order
will keep you posted on this

[boodi]

My SATA-modded T43 is for sale here: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=120015
$140 shipped within USA is very reasonable for such a modded machine.
$190 shipped to Italy (but without battery) is still not bad...
Add $60 for an upgrade to a Sharp UXGA (1600x1200) with ASV (IPS characteristics)

thank you for your other offer : it has been very appreciated .. I do not dismiss it for now still , the price is appealing , I wil keep you posted too

[RealBlackStuff]

I got an r61i

PN: 8943-dkg

will keep you posted , supposely works but I can bring it back if it doesnt work
screen is 15'' , model supposely is quite base , and carry a 1024x768 screen
condition is nice no signs or cracks on the lid or case ; no hd
very little bits of shine on keyboard.

That's quite a rarity (at least for us in the US).
If it works, congratz!
All you need now is an SSD, an UXGA screen, 8GB RAM and a T9300 CPU...

[boodi]

The price range of $15 - $50 is for a T43 not a T43p. If you find a good T43p it is worth $100 maybe more.

you were likely right , it seems that out of ebay on some luck and decent finding a working t4x/p can be paid $50 or less

[boodi]

I got an r61i

PN: 8943-dkg

will keep you posted , supposely works but I can bring it back if it doesnt work
screen is 15'' , model supposely is quite base , and carry a 1024x768 screen
condition is nice no signs or cracks on the lid or case ; no hd
very little bits of shine on keyboard.

That's quite a rarity (at least for us in the US).
If it works, congratz!
All you need now is an SSD, an UXGA screen, 8GB RAM and a T9300 CPU...

after checking if it turns on ....

yes , I have to schedule some upgrades , get them from the web , and assemble , again

if only i had more time

[RealBlackStuff]

if only i had more time

In less time than you spent on the forum describing your T43p problems, you could have built a FrankenPad (or two) already...

[boodi]

if only i had more time

In less time than you spent on the forum describing your T43p problems, you could have built a FrankenPad (or two) already...

i've been 90% of time on the go , writing with a tablet and/or performing other tasks at work , when writing here
unless you intend i can source all the pieces all in one and super fast , and build it on the go it doesn't make me much sense
I'm very new in modding laptops too

[boodi]

Will report on temperatures after 200hrs the thermal paste has broken in , at moment cpu reaches 80 on sustained loads , which is 13 14 degrees better then before ; the gpu still high though , 73-74 that is just a couple degrees lower then before .
It doesn't happen when the pc lays stable , for example on a table in the same position for hours.

I will likely have to underclock it ( after the graphic driver update ) .
What software should i preferably run for doing it ?

after 100/150hrs gpu is normally going up to 74-76 degrees
cpu can go over 80 degrees for some limited amount of time , but that's the GPU the problem , and without ati drivers i'm not able to unerclock it .

If I undervolt the CPU will I have any GPU benefit ? ( don't think so )

[ajkula66]

If I undervolt the CPU will I have any GPU benefit ? ( don't think so )

Indirectly yes, since the overall operating environment within the machine will be cooler.

None of my business - and to each their own - but *must* you run W8.x on that machine?

[boodi]

i can install 7 ultimate but it is a bit an hassle for me , for some reason/installations

but i can, yes

i higly doubt gpu temperatures will decrease when on java app or when browsing . keep in mind the gpu is most likely defective as also IBM logo startup screen is corrupt , this happened lately in this year

[kfzhu1229]

but that's the GPU the problem , and without ati drivers i'm not able to unerclock it .

If I undervolt the CPU will I have any GPU benefit ? ( don't think so )

Well first things first, T43/p ATI graphics does work just fine with windows 8/10

[ajkula66]

Well first things first, T43/p ATI graphics does work just fine with windows 8/10

Really? Which version of Catalyst do you have installed?

[kfzhu1229]

Well first things first, T43/p ATI graphics does work just fine with windows 8/10

Really? Which version of Catalyst do you have installed?

I just downloaded the Vista version that is available on the Chinese version of Lenovo site. I got into the same problem as well but it worked fine after I tried that driver. The Chinese version of Lenovo Think website offers all drivers obtained from IBM since numbered series ThinkPads.
Download Link:
http://driverdl.lenovo.com.cn/think/dow ... d302ww.exe
Driver description page in Chinese:
http://think.lenovo.com.cn/support/driv ... osid%3D236
Tried on 2 T43s with X300 in Windows 8.1 update 1 and Windows 10 worked just fine except you have to turn off the screen and turn it back on each time after fast startup feature or else the screen will only display a cursor

Also with a Pentium 780 it can play 1080p videos after the installation of the driver and Windows Aero effects improved dramatically.
I also have a hotkey driver that can work with non-Lenovo ThinkPads since *2x models. PM me if you need assistance

[ajkula66]

Really? Which version of Catalyst do you have installed?

I just downloaded the Vista version that is available on the Chinese version of Lenovo site. I got into the same problem as well but it worked fine after I tried that driver.

So no Catalyst?

PM me if you need assistance

[kfzhu1229]

Yes it is Catalyst: Catalyst Version 03.00.0608
I tried using Catalyst and installing directly from the .inf file and both works for both of my Radeon X300 T43s
You can download from the Lenovo China link and you actually do not have to read any Chinese, it is just .exe self extractor

OH AND ALSO BECAREFUL!! GO TO MSCONFIG OR SERVICES.MSC AND PERMENENTLY DISABLE ATI EXTERNAL EVENT UTILITY!! THAT SERVICE DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY IN WINDOWS 8/10 AND IT EATS YOUR CPU BY 100% FOR NOTHING!!

[boodi]

but that's the GPU the problem , and without ati drivers i'm not able to unerclock it .

If I undervolt the CPU will I have any GPU benefit ? ( don't think so )

Well first things first, T43/p ATI graphics does work just fine with windows 8/10

may be it is just my gpu
do not know if you read the whole thread ..

[kfzhu1229]

keep in mind the gpu is most likely defective as also IBM logo startup screen is corrupt , this happened lately in this year

And what do you mean by corrupt? If it is like lines going through it is most likely the screen/cable connection (I have this problem in my A30 as well but it is definitely not GPU's fault since it fixes itself after wobbling the LCD and the issue is not present on a VGA monitor) . If it is blocks of weird text then GPU may be problematic. If it is like text it is only the BIOS setting that turned off the IBM Logo. Also the GPU problem isn't prone to T43 series since either they are heatsinked, or there isn't one at all (GMA). I remembered 3 years ago I played a DirectX 9 intensive games on a Radeon X300 T43 for at least a full year (like I got attracted with that game and I play it at least 2 hours daily) with an inefficient fan that does not spin properly and the GPU still survived fine up to today.

[ajkula66]

keep in mind the gpu is most likely defective as also IBM logo startup screen is corrupt , this happened lately in this year

And what do you mean by corrupt? If it is like lines going through it is most likely the screen/cable connection (I have this problem in my A30 as well but it is definitely not GPU's fault since it fixes itself after wobbling the LCD and the issue is not present on a VGA monitor) .

Huh. No. If boodi is seeing what I believe that he is seeing - lines of various colours, mostly red and green - on startup, that's a GPU that is on its way out.

Also the GPU problem isn't prone to T43 series since either they are heatsinked, or there isn't one at all (GMA).

Completely and utterly incorrect. While T43/p are less prone to GPU failures than the previous T4x series due to the improved soldering process, their GPUs are far from being failure-resistant. Also, even the Intel-based T43s have a heatsink covering the chips involved.

[shawross]

For those that are not up to speed and are following this thread.

Latest T43 ATI Drivers - Version 10.2 / 8.593.100.000

- Release 2010-02-19 [February '10]

- File 10-2_legacy_vista32-64_dd_ccc.exe

Can be found by Googling the File name.

Need Mobility Modder to install but can not install directly from Windows 10 so you need to Mod file in Windows 7 or XP and then copy to Windows 10. Then install with Compatibility tool for Vista.

I don't recommend to download from Lenovo/Chinese website but each to their own.

[kfzhu1229]

Also, even the Intel-based T43s have a heatsink covering the chips involved.

From the pictures of intel 915GM T43 motherboards, they only have a couple of capacitors on the "GPU" spot.
And for the driver found on the Chinese Lenovo website, it works straight out of the box either you use Catalyst or .inf file, no mod or vista compatibility tool needed

[ajkula66]

Also, even the Intel-based T43s have a heatsink covering the chips involved.

From the pictures of intel 915GM T43 motherboards, they only have a couple of capacitors on the "GPU" spot.

Not for nothing, but have you ever opened an Intel-based T43? I have. Hundreds of them. They have a "long" heatsink that is different from the ones found on ATi-based systems, but it IS a long heatsink nevertheless.

And for the driver found on the Chinese Lenovo website, it works straight out of the box either you use Catalyst or .inf file, no mod or vista compatibility tool needed

Good to know for those intent on running W8.x or W10 on their T43/p units. I don't - and never will - belong to that group.

[boodi]

Also, even the Intel-based T43s have a heatsink covering the chips involved.

From the pictures of intel 915GM T43 motherboards, they only have a couple of capacitors on the "GPU" spot.
And for the driver found on the Chinese Lenovo website, it works straight out of the box either you use Catalyst or .inf file, no mod or vista compatibility tool needed

I tried them but have the same issues ( lag/freezes/display driver stopped to work and recovered )
it's true , they work out-of-the-box , on win 8.1pro ( no mod needed )

catalyst control center wont start though
I would need another overclocking/downclocking software to try downclock the gpu and see if it helps , but can't find a general one or one actually working for the fire gl v3200 at moment