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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#421 Post by wujstefan » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:34 am

Well I own a nice and large forest, inaccessible with car, couple of km out from any road.

Maybe it is the time to build a small, wooden hut over there.

While Poland is inside EU we fortunately do not have this kind of trouble. The country's poor, not much tolerant, and the government is highly conservative. I have a couple of friends living in Berlin and boy, they have a trouble now!
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#422 Post by Puppy » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:01 pm

Pupil 'thrown out of class by teacher' after filming argument insisting only two genders exist
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#423 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:46 pm

If the Brits insist on Brexit without any agreement with anybody, Ireland will be one of the first to suffer the consequences.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingn ... 25882.html
This is even more dangerous if the (almost certain) next British PM has the same hair colour as Baby Trump and is just as clueless and reckless!
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#424 Post by TuuS » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:28 pm

The lesson Generations keep learning over and over again and still keep making the same mistake, is that all governments are inefficient disasters. Treat government like cancer starve it and poison it. Keep it barely alive so it can do the minimal functions and force it to operate on a shoestring budget. Just like cancer you can never be free from it but you can starve it into remission. Doesn't matter which side of the pond or what political system the more power you give them the more you will suffer.

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#425 Post by Puppy » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:11 am

French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed
https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-ju ... moked-weed

A Muslim man who killed his Jewish neighbor in Paris while shouting about Allah is probably not criminally responsible for his actions because he had smoked marijuana beforehand, a French judge ruled.

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#426 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:25 am

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:twisted: :roll: :twisted:
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#427 Post by Puppy » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:45 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:25 am
You wanna chip in for a piece of a desert island once I locate one for my kids and grandkids ?
Is there any? :D

New security measures A ditch for the Reichstag
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschl ... 77938.html

A new security zone is to be built in front of the Reichstag building in Berlin. The federal government wants to build a two and a half meter deep and ten meter wide ditch on the square of the Republic. In addition, a security fence to shield the area around the west portal of the parliament building.

It wasn't necessary even during the WWII, but they still can handle it and it won't affect their lifestyle. ... I recommend to fill it with water, most of potential attackers can't swim :-) Next step, a wall to protect political leaders from the jungle they've created and went out of control?
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#428 Post by Puppy » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:05 pm

UNHCR official criticises 'the radicalisation of migratory dreams'
https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/21/unh ... ory-dreams

A person should apply for asylum in the territory they are in. You cannot withhold your asylum claim in the hopes of getting a better offer elsewhere.

Someone sane has finally woken up?
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#429 Post by wujstefan » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:31 am

Puppy wrote:
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Someone sane has finally woken up?
No way. Not in the Western Europe ;)
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#430 Post by Puppy » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:37 pm

A woman in her 30s has died after a shooting near Ribersborg, a popular beach park in Malmö.
https://www.thelocal.se/20190826/woman- ... m-shooting

And we already now it isn't connected with anything and if so, we can't discuss it anyway. Malmö had been one of the most safest places until ...
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#431 Post by MikalE » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:50 pm

But,,,but, how can that happen on a Continent with the strictest gun laws in the world?

Oh, never mind. Laws are only for the law abiding. I keep forgetting that, no matter in which country crime occurs.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#432 Post by Puppy » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:03 pm

Child marriages in Germany present a challenge for authorities
https://www.dw.com/en/child-marriages-i ... a-50540043

A law to prevent child marriage went into effect in Germany two years ago. It was designed to keep minors from marrying, but a new study by the women's rights group Terre des Femmes says its effect has been marginal
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#433 Post by Puppy » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:57 am

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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#434 Post by Puppy » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:35 am

And again :( https://www.bild.de/regional/sachsen-an ... .bild.html

What else you can expect when you invite your enemies who hate your culture to your country :roll:
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#435 Post by Ibthink » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:31 pm

Puppy wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:35 am
And again https://www.bild.de/regional/sachsen-an ... .bild.html

What else you can expect when you invite your enemies who hate your culture to your country
Seems like you have been carried away by your prejudice & hatred for Muslims. :-? Because this was a Nazi who shot up both a Turkish restaurant as well as a Jewish synagogue.

Sadly though, the Nazi who committed this heinous terrorist attack would probably wholeheartedly agree with you.... :roll: Now that would be funny if this wasn't such a tragedy...
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#436 Post by Puppy » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:38 pm

Let's wait few weeks to get the whole truth.
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#437 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:39 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:31 pm

Seems like you have been carried away by your prejudice & hatred for Muslims.
You may call it prejudice but I call it reality...seen right here:

https://www.france24.com/en/20191008-li ... prefecture

For the umpteenth time... :roll:
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#438 Post by Puppy » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:45 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:31 pm
Seems like you have been carried away by your prejudice
No, it is called statistics.
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#439 Post by Ibthink » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:55 pm

Puppy wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:38 pm
Let's wait few weeks to get the whole truth.
Lol, this Nazi even filmed the whole thing himself and published it on Twitch. But sure "there has to be a conspiracy, because it has to be a Muslim".
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No, it is called statistics.
Unfortunately for you, all statistics say that crime overall has been decreasing in Germany, in the last years, as it has been doing for decades. But sure – if it is official statistics, so these are surely fake, right? :roll:
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You may call it prejudice but I call it reality...
Yes, it is prejudice to jump to conclusions before anything is known and to start spouting conspiracy theories once you are proven wrong.
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#440 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:02 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:55 pm
Yes, it is prejudice to jump to conclusions before anything is known and to start spouting conspiracy theories once you are proven wrong.
Did you even bother clicking on the link that I provided ?
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#441 Post by Puppy » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:14 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:55 pm
Unfortunately for you, all statistics say that crime overall has been decreasing in Germany
Yes, that's why there is exterme police assistance and roadblocks required at every Chirstmas market/fair, that's why you are going to build a 10 meters wide trench around Bundestag and so on lately.

I have many friends in Germany and I have already understood that you have some kind of blindness that prevents you to see the problem you (your politicians) have created. Germany have had the ability to create several conflicts in Europe and the history is repeating. You'll see the terrible results in the future and it'll be late again. But experience is non-transferable.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#442 Post by Ibthink » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:18 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:02 pm
Did you even bother clicking on the link that I provided ?
No. Why should I waste my time by clicking on it? I knew exactly what was behind the link, based on the link text alone – I do follow the news.

I am not sure what you want to prove by posting this link. That dangerous ideologies are dangerous? Yes, fascism, whether motivated by religion (Islamism) or racism (Nazism) is dangerous. I think that is pretty obvious. As all forms of fascism, they thrive on prejudice and hatred. And I think it is sad that the very same prejudice that forms the base for this is being displayed in this very thread.

puppy simply jumped the shark by claiming that todays attack was perpetrated by a Muslim, when in fact it was perpetrated by a Nazi. That is very ironic and also embarrassing, because the ideology of the Nazi isn't actually too far away from the "all Muslims are terrorists" viewpoint.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:14 pm
Yes, that's why there is exterme police assistance and roadblocks required at every Chirstmas market/fair, that's why you are going to build a 10 meters wide trench around Bundestag and so on lately.
Oh yes, terrorism is an absolutely new thing that was invented by Muslims. Who knew that terrorism didn't exist before September 2001? :roll:
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I have many friends in Germany and I have already understood that you have some kind of blindness that prevents you to see the problem you (your politicians) have created.
You are the one who turns a blind eye to Nazi crimes right now, so I don't think you should be talking like that.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#443 Post by Puppy » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:23 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:18 pm
Oh yes, terrorism is an absolutely new thing that was invented by Muslims. Who knew that terrorism didn't exist before September 2001? :roll:
No, it hasn't started in 2001 but much later when Germany has begun to accept all people bringing their violent ideology to Europe. Ideology of nazi, communists or muslims is very clear: everyone else (infidel, rich, different origin) are our enemies. If you think that those millions of people have come to work for Germany and improve its economy, you are very naive :-) There are many cases that has proven the ideology is equal and very dangerous. You call that "isolated cases", I call that an out-of-control danger.
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You are the one who turns a blind eye to Nazi crimes right now, so I don't think you should be talking like that.
Absolutely not, and the "blind eye" is a bit awkward in the context, don't you think?
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#444 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:44 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:18 pm
ajkula66 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:02 pm
Did you even bother clicking on the link that I provided ?
No. Why should I waste my time by clicking on it? I knew exactly what was behind the link, based on the link text alone – I do follow the news.

I am not sure what you want to prove by posting this link. That dangerous ideologies are dangerous? Yes, fascism, whether motivated by religion (Islamism) or racism (Nazism) is dangerous. I think that is pretty obvious. As all forms of fascism, they thrive on prejudice and hatred. And I think it is sad that the very same prejudice that forms the base for this is being displayed in this very thread.
So you're following the news and are aware of the events that the link I posted was referring to and you're still somehow connecting them to prejudice in your previous post ?

Honest question: you're still a young man. 15 years from now, are you going to flee with your kids-to-come, or are you going to have them raised in The Islamic Caliphate Of Germanistan?
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#445 Post by Ibthink » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:49 pm

Puppy wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:23 pm
If you think that those millions of people have come to work for Germany and improve its economy, you are very naive
Nah, because I am not in the generalizing game, unlike others. The beautiful thing about people is that they are different from one another. And if you have a million people, you have million different people. Some of them good, some of them bad. That is the same for every group of people – no matter their religion or region of origin.
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No, it hasn't started in 2001 but much later when Germany has begun to accept all people bringing their violent ideology to Europe.
Violent Nazi ideology has been in Europe for a long time, so no, it didn't start in 2001 or later, but much earlier.
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Honest question: you're still a young man. 15 years from now, are you going to flee with your kids-to-come, or are you going to have them raised in The Islamic Caliphate Of Germanistan?
You know, maybe I will leave Germany at one point. But not because of an imagined Islamic threat, but because Nazis are taking over again. Unlike Islamists, who only have a small percentage of the already small percentage of Muslims living in Germany (5 %) on their side, the Nazis have a far bigger support potential in the population. And they already were in power once.
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#446 Post by Puppy » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:00 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:49 pm
And if you have a million people, you have million different people.
Yes, so basically you need to work hard to support all these people as (maybe) no one will be able/willing to help your economy. And not everyone is happy by this idea.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:49 pm
Violent Nazi ideology has been in Europe for a long time, so no, it didn't start in 2001 or later, but much earlier.
No, I am talking about the Christmas fairs security, it is simple example that illustrates the problem. There were absolutely no issues in 2001 or 2002 or 2010. All of this has started later and "magically" is connected by the idea of accepting (false in many cases) immigrants. But I know you can't see the problem, but we can.
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#447 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:01 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:49 pm
ajkula66 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:44 pm
Honest question: you're still a young man. 15 years from now, are you going to flee with your kids-to-come, or are you going to have them raised in The Islamic Caliphate Of Germanistan?
You know, maybe I will leave Germany at one point. But not because of an imagined Islamic threat, but because Nazis are taking over again. Unlike Islamists, who only have a small percentage of the already small percentage of Muslims living in Germany (5 %) on their side, the Nazis have a far bigger support potential in the population. And they already were in power once.
Presuming that I'm alive 15 years from now - which may very well be a stretch - maybe we can re-visit this conversation and see how things played out.
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#448 Post by dr_st » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:57 am

Puppy wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:23 pm
Ibthink wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:18 pm
You are the one who turns a blind eye to Nazi crimes right now, so I don't think you should be talking like that.
Absolutely not, and the "blind eye" is a bit awkward in the context, don't you think?
What's clear is that people adjust their perception of reality to their already established opinions. In this case, you (Puppy) see Islam, and not Nazism, as a threat, whereas you (Ibthink) see Nazism as a threat, and not Islam. So both of you will emphasize the events that support your respective points of view, and gloss over / turn a blind eye to anything that contradicts it. You will cherry-pick the statistics that support your case, and ignore those that don't. It is very clear with both of you. :wink:
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#449 Post by Puppy » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:56 am

dr_st wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:57 am
What's clear is that people adjust their perception of reality to their already established opinions.
You're right as the view of a third person always is :) but in this context there is still one small detail. While the Nazi (or right-wing extremists) ideology and propaganda is considered as illegal, the Islam one isn't yet. My point is that both should be treated and persecuted equally, similar to communism in our region.
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#450 Post by mortimer » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:11 pm

Islam and Facism arent the same and to consider them to be the same is not only disingenuous but downright hostile to Muslims.
Consider that the US declared the largely Islamic kurdish people a key ally in fighting ISIS.
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