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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#481 Post by Ibthink » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:00 pm

Puppy wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:32 pm
Visegrad Group: A new economic heart of Europe?
With 3.7% growth in 2019, Hungary ranks as the fifth-fastest-growing economy in the EU, according to the European Commission forecasts.
Using the "fake news" as a source now? :roll:

It is well known Hungary used to be one of the wealthier countries of the former Warsaw pact. Since the 90s, its economy has fallen behind, especially compared to Poland: https://www.obserwatorfinansowy.pl/wp-c ... P-1540.jpg (source: https://www.obserwatorfinansowy.pl/in-e ... nomically/)

Hungary suffers from serious worker shortages, due to low birthrates and almost no migration to fill in the needed workers. Thats why the quasi-dictator & oligarch Victor Orban has given employers a law with which they can force workers to work more and more over time: https://www.dw.com/en/hungarian-workers ... a-46649065

Also the reason why its government is wasting a low of money on ineffectual attempts to get people to have more children: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html
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Have you been there or got all the information from the fake news only?
Yes, I have been there a couple of times, since I am part Hungarian and thus have family in Hungary.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#482 Post by Puppy » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:17 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:00 pm
Using the "fake news" as a source now?
No, the same source DW you linked as well. Your chart shows 2015, the article I linked is about 2019.
Ibthink wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:00 pm
almost no migration to fill in the needed workers
It is called a wet dream :D Nobody needs workers with basic (or no) education. The level of automation in industry is (will be in the near future) so high that all the simple work will be done by machines. Inviting low/no educated people to do such job when you already know it has short-term effect only is like a time bomb. Don't mention the morality behind. And please do not start that majority of those immigrants have higher education (while there are information that half of them are illiterate).

We also have an Orban or rather Berlusconi clone here, oligarch Andrej Babis. Active member of the communist secret police force (similar to Stasi in DDR) who became politician and later the Prime Minister to protect his own business only. It seems to be a destiny of all post-communist countries. We also have an AfD clone (the abbrevation is SPD - funny for Germans), but the leader is a completely dumb person so the party isn't getting any significant attention. The immigration topic is not hot over here as we aren't interesting destination country to serve high social security payments, unlike Germany or Sweden.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#483 Post by Puppy » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:32 am

Ibthink wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:21 pm
now its the Muslims.
Last comment as our opinions are already clear enough:

Pakistani Man Blinded By His Father, Brothers For Wanting 'Love Marriage'
https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistani-man-b ... 91592.html

"The entire time that they were taking out my eyes, he was shouting 'Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!' over and over again," Baqi says.

If you think such 'religion of peace' is still relevant in 21st century, I don't. And I don't want such medieval practices (including child marriage, sharia law ...) to be brought over here. And no, no manual nor training "How to behave in civilized Europe" can fix it. I am aware that there can be small percentage of people who aren't totally brainwashed by the toxic ideology, but the risk is simply too high. To bring a solution, all the people like you who think that is ok to take the risk should also take the full personal responsibility for it (i.e. if an immigrant commits a crime, the responsible person goes to jail as well). Fair enough to protect those who disagree with the idea of incompatible cultures mass immigration.

As always, my opinion is based on personal experience. Our government did the same mistake in early 90's after the borders were open, fortunately with less severe consequences. They accepted anyone without checking the validity of their documents or the history. Prague became very quickly the 'headquarters' of all the eastern European mafia, because we were stupid/naive enough that 'good' people only would come.

You can still say they were the 'bad' radical Muslims, but the rest of them are 'good'. How comes we don't have a radical Christians or radical Budhists here as well? The answer is easy.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#484 Post by Puppy » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:34 am

And now for something completely different ... well done, Germany :D

Miss Germany to be chosen by all-female judging panel
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5bc3 ... 804128329e
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#485 Post by Puppy » Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:48 pm

UK was right! The EU will force Apple to drop the Lightning port within its jurisdiction The stupidity of EU bureaucrats is endless :evil: I am not an Apple fanboy, but this is utter nonsense. Besides the "connector" itself, vendors use different incompatible fast charging technologies. Are they going to ban them as well? Are they aware that USB-C connector has high rate of failures?

If EU cares about the ecology, why there is the new law in Germany forcing shops to print tons of useless paper bills?
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#486 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sat May 23, 2020 7:48 pm

As much as I am in agreement with George on islam, the real global threat, which I have maintained for the past 20 years or so, is china. It is the only communist country that has actually thrived (mostly for the party elites on the backs of the common man) while the rest are dismal failures or went by the wayside.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#487 Post by ajkula66 » Sat May 23, 2020 8:30 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 7:48 pm
As much as I am in agreement with George on islam, the real global threat, which I have maintained for the past 20 years or so, is china. It is the only communist country that has actually thrived (mostly for the party elites on the backs of the common man) while the rest are dismal failures or went by the wayside.
No questions asked. But we've been sold out by the globalists worldwide and will have one heck of a fight in front of us if we want to minimize the poisonous influence of CCP.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#488 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun May 24, 2020 2:01 am

That CCP already has been extremely effective by apparently introducing Covid-19 to us...
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#489 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sun May 24, 2020 10:29 pm

^^
Don't get me started on that..
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Re: EU seems to be in danger... Stay with the facts and argue than

#490 Post by friedrich-eugen » Mon May 25, 2020 2:34 am

Hello Guys, over here and over the ocean,

lets stay with the facts...
  • China is no democracy, yes, and it is a country led by an authoritarian, may well be totalitarian party, no western style. But it was a truely fast growing & learning society & economy.
  • It has learned its style of economy from ...the United States, from Europe ...
  • it has learned its style of politics from Europe (19&20th century, Russia) and Europe (UK) and US (till today)
  • China has imported production, jobs, knowledge and technology from the US, from Europe, as the industries looked for cheaper laber, cheaper places, less to pay for "external effects to third parties"
  • China has imported styles of politics from "the west", as the west has rarely stood up to its constitutional rules in its politics, especially in its foreign policy, its respect for human rights
So, if You tend to point to China as a villain, You 're in fact pointing at Yourself, US and Europe and the shortsighted economics /politics so much hailed at.

Europe (EU) and the US are very different in style of democracy and in style of economics, but the Eu are at least democratic societies... till now. But democracy is in danger, by nature, allways.
It is the small changes, that put democracy in danger: interference with independent press (hungary), loss of autonomous judiciary (Poland), corruption (Malta), latest: Populism and stupidity,
insufficient knowledge of how to operate an governement as part of an governement (Brexit, its developpment and its outcome (still to show))...

Lets stay humble... and try to do our best
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Re: EU seems to be in danger... Stay with the facts and argue than

#491 Post by ajkula66 » Mon May 25, 2020 10:54 am

friedrich-eugen wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 2:34 am

Lets stay humble... and try to do our best
Well, my friend...here's how I see it.

Hungary is doing their best in order to keep Islam out of its territory, along with the poison that Soros-funded organizations are. I wish them all the luck in the world.

Poland can't simply erase hundreds of years of its own history of being a Catholic country to please the EU leeches. I wish them well.

Malta ? That's funny. Corruption is everywhere.

Brexit ? Blame the nonsense on the same globalists that send everyone's jobs over to China, and the Conservatives who wouldn't listen to the will of its own people. I'd love to see Farage as the next PM, but that's not going to happen.

We've learned nothing from the occupation of "refugees" over the past 20 years.

We are unlikely to learn anything from the C-19 debacle.

We - as a civilization - are doomed. And the globalists running the EU have done the most of the damage on that continent.

Humbleness will not get us very far. Opening our eyes and fighting for the future of our children and grandchildren might.

EU's got to go. I hope to see it crash and burn during my lifetime.

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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#492 Post by friedrich-eugen » Mon May 25, 2020 12:52 pm

Hello ajkula66,

It is good to see & read Your well ?! ...

But I cannot / do not share Your view of Europe and the refugies-theme... I happend to be part of amnesty international in the 70ties and eighties and to experience the consequences of terror, the consequences of Milton Freedmans policy recommendations. My family was part of the Nazi-Movement and at the same time in some respects and in part victim of that system. We have had to learn about democracy the hard way...

That is why Germany as society and a country today acts and thinks not the way, US- or sometimes even british citizens think and argue. The consequences of those two wars in Europe in the 20th century have left their marks in all countries of Europe, those wars did change the landscape, the political order and the thinking, the ways to move, "to behave" over here...

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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#493 Post by ajkula66 » Mon May 25, 2020 1:07 pm

friedrich-eugen wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 12:52 pm
Hello ajkula66,

It is good to see & read Your well ?! ...
Likewise, my friend, it's a good thing that we're still above the ground.
That is why Germany as society and a country today acts and thinks not the way, US- or sometimes even british citizens think and argue. The consequences of those two wars in Europe in the 20th century have left their marks in all countries of Europe, those wars did change the landscape, the political order and the thinking, the ways to move, "to behave" over here...
Neither an American nor a Brit, but a transplanted European here. Well aware of the history and carnage. Just happen to view the current situation in a vastly different light.
Stay safe and sound, happy trails
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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#494 Post by TonyJZX » Tue May 26, 2020 4:11 am

I love how everyone loves to heap blame on china for taking "ur jerbs"... on a Thinkpad forum where just about every device for the last 15-20yrs has been made in china and is been controlled essentially by the CCP... Lenovo is owned by some China academy of sciences or such nonsense?

China has made the Waltons into mega billionareies (Walmart)... just about every electronic device, every network device, even durable manufactured item from your brooms dustpans to essential building materials to solar panels to something like 50-70% of your cars are all made in china.

I have worked as a mechanic and we have taken apart BMWs and Audis and a shockiing percentage of the components are made in china.

I'm not one to use phrases like (((globalists))) and Soros as it tends to indicate some kind of bilderberg cabal of jews (just say it)... when reality all it is is the multnationals of this world all ceeding manufacture to china because... they do it better and cheaper than anyone else.

That's it.

And in using the best manufacturer these companies have becoming capitalised to the bilions.

These companies "took your jobs". And yet I wouldnt want comtemplate a world where the Western market produces all its own goods.

Do you want your avg. car to be a $60,000 product? Do you want your 50" LCD tv to be $2,000? Do you want a Thinkpad to be a $3,000 item?

I'm old enough to have lived in a world where the only choice was a microwave oven made in Japan or a TV made in japan or laptop made in Japan and really, none of us can afford a world where all our stuff is NOT made in china.

I work in production in the west and we export to China and SE Asia and the middle east and we have the highest cost structures in the world.

There is plenty to criticse China for but your anger is misdirected... its these multinationals largely headquarterd in the US or the Netherlands or the UK EU which is responsible for your decline in living standards. And they done a great job by making "China" the target, just like a certain US president.

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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#495 Post by ajkula66 » Tue May 26, 2020 11:18 am

TonyJZX wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 4:11 am


I'm not one to use phrases like (((globalists))) and Soros as it tends to indicate some kind of bilderberg cabal of jews (just say it)...
So anyone who dislikes Soros is automatically an anti-Semite ? What a straw man argument. Showing our real colours, aren't we ?

Do you want your avg. car to be a $60,000 product? Do you want your 50" LCD tv to be $2,000? Do you want a Thinkpad to be a $3,000 item?
Yes. Because there's the other part of equation where the wages would also be significantly higher, due to no competition from slave-labour-wage countries.
I'm old enough to have lived in a world where the only choice was a microwave oven made in Japan or a TV made in japan or laptop made in Japan
As am I
and really, none of us can afford a world where all our stuff is NOT made in china.
Kindly speak for yourself and spare us this "none of us" business please.

There is plenty to criticse China for but your anger is misdirected... its these multinationals largely headquarterd in the US or the Netherlands or the UK EU which is responsible for your decline in living standards. And they done a great job by making "China" the target, just like a certain US president.
Plenty of blame to go around, but sadly no one's doing anything about it.
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#496 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue May 26, 2020 11:39 am

@TonyJZX:
most of your posts come from Australia, a country not all that "concerned" about the rest of the world.

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