R52 preforms better than T43! (Excessively annoyed!)

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Navck · #1 Post by **Navck** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:57 am

Argh, graphically wise, my friend's R52 with its intergrated graphics works better than my T43 with its X300 even if the X300 is overclocked and I used modified Catalyst drivers... Someone please help. (I get massive stuttering, as if my system pauses and unpauses rapidly every half second)

Navck · #2 Post by **Navck** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:00 pm

SOS? I would love to be able to play an old game (Command and Conquers Generals) On my laptop if possible..

sugo · #3 Post by **sugo** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:18 pm

How exactly does R52 perform better? massive stuttering in C&C for T43? Have you tried other games?

Navck · #4 Post by **Navck** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:32 pm

Not in CnC for my T43, the IBM/Lenovo "3D view page"
I get stuttering there if I spun the Thinkpad model around VERY rapidly. (Like frames being skipped)
On my friend's R52, she has 504MB of ram reported by system (512MB here). As well as Pentium M 740 @ 1.76 GHz (Huh?)
But it does fine if I went to the Thinkpad model (Same one) and spun it around rapidly, infact it looks almost as smooth as my desktop animation wise.

Edit:Let me install Half Life and see if it does this stuttering as well

sugo · #5 Post by **sugo** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:43 pm

Have you tried disabling Active Protection System for hard drive?

Navck · #6 Post by **Navck** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:46 pm

sugo wrote:Have you tried disabling Active Protection System for hard drive?

Should I? As my T43 is on a nice stable table

I didn't change anything from the basic install besides massively defragmenting my OS, and changing my display drivers to modified Catalyst 5.6s
Also, should I reduce paging file?

kaplanfx · #7 Post by **kaplanfx** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:03 pm

Navck wrote: Should I? As my T43 is on a nice stable table

I didn't change anything from the basic install besides massively defragmenting my OS, and changing my display drivers to modified Catalyst 5.6s
Also, should I reduce paging file?

Navck, as I have said on other threads your performance sounds awful and may point to a possible hardware problem. You updated the drivers as I suggest right? and you continue to have the problem, I would most likely think its hardware related. How is your performance when using business apps (office, photoshop, web browsing, etc.) if everything seems good on that front I would say its possible your x300 is bad. The only other thing I can think of is that the interpolation is causing problems with CC. Have you tried setting the games resolution to 1400x1050 (or 1600x1200 if you have uxga)?? Your experiance is NOT typical of other TP users like I said, and again may mean a hardware issue.

-kaplanfx

Navck · #8 Post by **Navck** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:04 pm

Everything else not game related = Fine (Except 3D Thinkpad page with Java rendering... Adding to list soon. Combat Instinct 3. Its a flash game. THat thing stutters insanely as well. You know, when it leaps from a high framerate to a low one, and back?) Re Update:It works fine on combat scene (Fighter). The begining goes insane on my TP
3D = Slow killing me
Half Life = I get 71 FPS, which jumps to 31 FPS, which jumps to 71... *Repeat forever* Causing the stuttering. I used to have this issue on my older desktop. It eventually disappeared by its self...
Edit:I ran Half Life on 1024x768 windowed. CnC Generals was run at same resolution as my computer is (1400x1050)
Re-re Edit:Hmm, Half Life plays fine now, for 45 seconds. Then goes into "SUPER FRAME STUTTERING" mode...
I have set my TP to maximum preformance and overclocked my X300 to assure that... Still happens

Weird, now my desktop is experancing this problem...

Navck · #9 Post by **Navck** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:48 am

Anyone else experancing this problem?

Metalloy · #10 Post by **Metalloy** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:01 pm

Have you tried reverting back to the standard IBM drivers ? The display drivers are especially notorious. You know that you get the same kind of stutering after a fresh install of XP on a UXGA machine prior installing the correct IBM display driver.

#11 Post by **K. Eng** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:38 pm

This must be a driver problem. The X300 is much much better at 3D operations than the Intel GMA900.

Navck · #12 Post by **Navck** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:41 pm

Catalyst 5.6 modified = No help
Stock IBM drivers = Its just as baaad

Navck · #13 Post by **Navck** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:58 pm

Double post... Sorry
But I think my T43 will never be able to handle anything 3D ever now. I have tried.
Stock drivers
Catalyst 5.6 modified
Windows Update recomended
Newest ones off IBM website
I still get MASSIVE STUTTERING off all 3D applications.
ATI Tool = Works fine for 3 seconds, nice smooth 56 FPS. Drops to 15 average and hops from 3 to 28 FPS....
Not happy at all right now. These are also the IBM drivers from their website...
Edit:To describe it. Just think of your computer rendering for 1 second. Then skipping frames for 1 second, repeat.
Not happy that I can't even play some old Age of Empires 2 game. (Yes I tested that too)
Write combining disabled - Made worse
Overclocked X300 - "TIIINNYY" help.

sugo · #14 Post by **sugo** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:29 pm

Have you tried recovery cds? It might be a hardware issue if it still malfunctions with the factory image.

Navck · #15 Post by **Navck** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:30 pm

Recovery CDs? I only have that IBM patition on the harddrive right now...

Scorpiontico · #16 Post by **Scorpiontico** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:55 pm

Navck wrote:Recovery CDs? I only have that IBM patition on the harddrive right now...

man you are so hardheaded! burn the R&R set and try reinstalling everything back with this set (back to factory state)... if this doesnt work then DUDE return that lappy and get another one, im sure ibm will take it back or at least fix it for you... a R series thinkpad cant beat a T43 with a dedicated gpu, thats just crazy!

regards...stop asking stupid things (blaiming/contrasting your t43 and etc), ask the right questions, and do what members tell you to (advice you).

ps: i wish you the best and "dont take no **** from nobody" (in this case maybe a defective system from ibm)

Navck · #17 Post by **Navck** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:00 pm

Sorry, I'm just very frustrated with my T43.
I'm going to back my system up with Norton Ghost first, so if it doesn't help, I'll have some files ready if I need to send my T43 back...

nirvana0001 · #18 Post by **nirvana0001** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:00 pm

Go get a t43p so that you can beat the R52 up

Navck · #19 Post by **Navck** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:48 pm

Weird thing I notice
Laptop works FINE for 1-3 seconds... Then I have my 11 FPS land in 3Dmark03 testing... And it crashed at the end of the plane scene.

Starting to think the fault is on Powerplay.
Reason? I tried another trick by enabling powerplay and setting everything for maximum preformance
My TP goes fine without slowdown untill 75% midway into that scene, and 11FPS. Then 3Dmark03 crashes "Encouted a problem and needs to close"

Scorpiontico · #20 Post by **Scorpiontico** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:03 am

Navck wrote:Weird thing I notice
Laptop works FINE for 1-3 seconds... Then I have my 11 FPS land in 3Dmark03 testing... And it crashed at the end of the plane scene.

Starting to think the fault is on Powerplay.
Reason? I tried another trick by enabling powerplay and setting everything for maximum preformance
My TP goes fine without slowdown untill 75% midway into that scene, and 11FPS. Then 3Dmark03 crashes "Encouted a problem and needs to close"

look man just do the following:
-have 7 cds (ithink) or 1 cd and 1 4.x gb dvd
-access ibm (blue botton on the upper left corner of your keyboard)
-protect and recover
-protect computer data
-create product recovery discs
-first use a cd and then 6 more o a dvd
-restore everything back to factory state once all discs are created (by booting the system with the first cd)
-try again C&C
-same [censored] keeps on happening, then return it for exchange.

*you need to have the hidden partition on your hard drive in order to create these discs set*

good luck.

#21 Post by **thePCxp** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:22 am

nirvana0001:

Go get a t43p so that you can beat the R52 up

I have a complaint about that.
Sorry but I didn't like what you said and I'm not very happy about that.

If the R52 performs better than the T43 than the R52 performs better than the T43 (which I don't care about because I think that all ThinkPad's are good and I just love ThinkPad's. I like all of them!). Let's not talk crap on ThinkPad's. And if anybody is annoyed by that, too bad!

Scorpiontico:

a R series thinkpad cant beat a T43

Actually, an R can beat a T.

Navck:

Sorry, I'm just very frustrated with my T43.

That's too bad.

Scorpiontico · #22 Post by **Scorpiontico** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:46 am

If the R52 performs better than the T43 than the R52 performs better than the T43 --- you're not making sence here.

Scorpiontico:

a R series thinkpad cant beat a T43

Actually, an R can beat a T.

and how is that?

thanks.
ps:no hate or anything like that, just clarifying things.

thePCxp wrote:nirvana0001:
Go get a t43p so that you can beat the R52 up
I have a complaint about that.
Sorry but I didn't like what you said and I'm not very happy about that. If the R52 performs better than the T43 than the R52 performs better than the T43 (which I don't care about because I think that all ThinkPad's are good and I just love ThinkPad's. I like all of them!). Let's not talk crap on ThinkPad's. And if anybody is annoyed by that, too bad!

Scorpiontico:
a R series thinkpad cant beat a T43
Actually, an R can beat a T.

Navck:
Sorry, I'm just very frustrated with my T43.
That's too bad.

Navck · #23 Post by **Navck** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:51 am

Hardware preformance wise = R52 < T43, graphic rendering anyways..... I just don't understand why my T43 is horridly slow at anything 3D...\
Again no hate.

Scorpiontico · #24 Post by **Scorpiontico** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:55 am

Navck wrote:Hardware preformance wise = R52 < T43, graphic rendering anyways..... I just don't understand why my T43 is horridly slow at anything 3D...\
Again no hate.

navck are you gonna do what i advised you to? i mean buddy im trying to help you out and you dont seem to listen or even care about some of our comments in the past posts.

regards.

Navck · #25 Post by **Navck** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:01 am

Will do tormorrow, its pretty late... (11:54PM)
I will try it in the morning ok? If I get more problems I'm calling IBM
Also, any advice if I do have to call? (Like do not send harddrive/etc?)

Scorpiontico · #26 Post by **Scorpiontico** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:08 am

Navck wrote:Will do tormorrow, its pretty late... (11:54PM)
I will try it in the morning ok? If I get more problems I'm calling IBM
Also, any advice if I do have to call? (Like do not send harddrive/etc?)

if i was you (and if possible because i dont know) i would send everything back so i could recieve a brand new system again... good luck.

Navck · #27 Post by **Navck** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:25 am

As I'm typing I'm loading the very first disk right now....
And its quite loud (The read/write optical lens thing is moving back and forth from one part to another rapidly)
And I thought harddrives clicked bad.
Well I'll inform you if its a sucess.

Navck · #28 Post by **Navck** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:45 am

Great news - Works with Half Life no problems at ALL!
Thanks!

Scorpiontico · #29 Post by **Scorpiontico** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:38 pm

Navck wrote:Great news - Works with Half Life no problems at ALL!
Thanks!

your welcome!

im glad we could helped you... my first time returning what i have gotten from here, help friendship and understanding.

take care.

ps:about the optical drive, uhh mine is barely hearable, i mean it is very quiet even at full speeds... try playing C&C

R52 preforms better than T43! (Excessively annoyed!)

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