X260 and scaling

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X260 and scaling

#1 Post by Varrock » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:44 pm

I'm having a hard time finding where to ask this, so here's a go.

I had a Surface Pro 4, and an issue I had was that applications were appearing small because of the resolution. I'm wondering if an X260 will have the same issues.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-thin ... Id=5352700

There's the laptop, it has a 12.5 inch display with a Typical 1366 x 768 HD resolution. The issues with the SP4 was apparently the HiDPI and Java was having a bug with it.

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Re: X260 and scaling

#2 Post by JPOESQ » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:23 pm

I also had a Surface Pro 4 and returned it due to scaling issues. There were hacks that I found to be of help, but I never found them to be satisfactory. Otherwise, the laptop was great.

You will not have any issues with a 1366 x 768 display. That's my standard for Thinkpads.
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Re: X260 and scaling

#3 Post by Varrock » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:40 pm

So how would a 1366 x 768 compare on a 14" laptop vs. the 12.5" X260? I'm between the T460 and X260, which both have the same resolution. Would either technically look "nicer"?

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Re: X260 and scaling

#4 Post by JPOESQ » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:59 am

Varrock wrote:So how would a 1366 x 768 compare on a 14" laptop vs. the 12.5" X260? I'm between the T460 and X260, which both have the same resolution. Would either technically look "nicer"?
You would have to compare the two displays, but 1366 x 768 would technically be better on the 12.5 inch display. Personally, I would want higher resolution with a 14 inch or larger display.
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Re: X260 and scaling

#5 Post by Varrock » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:09 am

Let's say I really like the small footprint the X260 provides, but also have the option of getting a T460s with a better screen resolution. Would either serve me better, or would the lesser battery life of the T460s be just as inconvenient as a smaller resolution of a X260?

I really like how I can get extra desk space using a X260. I just worry about using Excel and Visual Studio on the smaller screen with the smaller resolution. If there are no issues with that, then I think I may go with the X260 due to it's portability and small base.

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Re: X260 and scaling

#6 Post by Puppy » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:27 pm

1366x768 is very low resolution on both 12.5" and 14" screens. 1920x1080 on 12.5" screen is ok, way too low on 14" one. If a software has HiDPI issues in 2017 ask the vendor whether is he capable to create software in general :roll: The HiDPI API is around for at least 5 years.
Varrock wrote:I just worry about using Excel and Visual Studio on the smaller screen with the smaller resolution.
Impossible to use Visual Studio with 768 vertical pixels only. I have tried various setups, very small fonts, taskbar on the right, full screen menu-less mode ... no, it doesn't work. I don't do any UI stuff so I don't need any visual designers, just a lot of server side code and debugging.
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Re: X260 and scaling

#7 Post by Varrock » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:53 pm

What makes it so difficult? It looks like I may need to invest in the X260 Full HD resolution -- but then I worry about this whole scaling issue I had with the SP4.

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Re: X260 and scaling

#8 Post by Puppy » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:38 pm

I don't see any blocking scaling issues since Windows 8.1. Even MMC is DPI-aware in latest Windows 10 Insider Preview builds.
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Re: X260 and scaling

#9 Post by JPOESQ » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:22 pm

Puppy wrote:I don't see any blocking scaling issues since Windows 8.1. Even MMC is DPI-aware in latest Windows 10 Insider Preview builds.
I use the following computers for commuting daily, traveling to other countries, and general business use and never find it necessary to have higher than 1366 x 768 resolution:

X61s, X220, X230

On the other hand when I had my Surface Pro 4, the screen resolution was so high that I couldn't remote into the company server because the remote screen would not scale to the resolution of the Surface Pro 4. Nor could I use several current applications due to scaling. It's a known problem with Windows 10 and hi-res displays, particularly for remote users. If you only run local applications, then high-res is the way to go (e.g., my T530).

For versatility and compatibility with remote connections, a lower resolution may be needed. YMMV with hi-res. Mine did. For large documents and split screens, then a hi-res display is the way to go if you can still read the small print. :)
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Re: X260 and scaling

#10 Post by Varrock » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:17 pm

Guys..I feel really dumb.

I've never been a computer person, but I've always appreciated them as a consumer.

Can you explain what this HiDPI is and how it's different than resolution? That being said, do either of you have the X260 in FHD?

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Re: X260 and scaling

#11 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:48 am

A number of of us (including me) are currently converting our X220 and/or X230 from standard HD to FHD.
This forum alone is doing 50 of them, and lots more update-kits are being prepared as we speak.
So no need to spend huge money on a questionable X260.

Also read this X260 review: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=120542
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