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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#31 Post by Dekks » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:42 am

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Even the Surface Book? It has a very solid detachable keyboard, and can be configured with Core i7 processors. If I were forced to own just one computer, it would most certainly be the Surface Book as it has the power of a desktop, the mobility and usability of a laptop, and becomes a slate tablet once the keyboard is removed.

These days the term "tablet" includes powerful Windows tablets with detachable keyboards. Again, the Surface Book runs circles around most laptops.
No detachable - even the Thinkpad variant are robust enough for office work that needs tablet and keyboard input constantly causing one to detach/re-attach the kb constantly - the connectors rapidly give up the ghost. If your workflow is leaving it on the desk & watching the odd video then it's fine i guess but in a work environment where your constantly switching from kb to pen input & they get bumped a lot then they just don't cut the mustard.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#32 Post by jdk » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:02 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:26 am
jdk wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:14 pm
There just isn't anything interesting in the laptop world in my view. If it weren't for having to travel every so often, I would be desktop only. Tablets aren't there yet -- and yes, I've tried the iPad Pro / Razer mechanical keyboard case combination. It's just not for me.
I too wouldn't be able to survive on a tablet running a crippled OS, i.e. iOS, Android, Windows RT. Have you tried any of the Windows detachables? The Microsoft Surface 3 changed my life. HP's Spectre X2 and Elite X2 detachables with 12" 1920x1280 are also worth looking into. Some of them even have 4G LTE, like my Surface 3.
I have tried the 3:2 Surface tablet in the Microsoft Store, but never for prolonged periods. I don't think I would like the keyboard.
My co-worker had the Surface book from last year for couch surfing, but I think he eventually had a problem with the latches. Too many moving parts, IMO. I liked the size and form factor though, to the point that I was planning on getting one last Christmas. The latch problem and some other build issue that I don't recall changed my mind.
I have not had a chance to see the new Surface Book, the new one with a cloth case yet.

One recent machine that I liked was the Chromebook Pixel, but it was discontinued before it ever took off. Supposedly it was not difficult to run a full copy of Linux and put Windows in a VM on that machine. OpenBSD was a work in progress as of last summer.

I hope the success of the Surface Pro yields more 3:2 panels, and consequently, more traditional laptops built with that display ratio.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#33 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:53 pm

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I hope the success of the Surface Pro yields more 3:2 panels, and consequently, more traditional laptops built with that display ratio.
Am I one of the only ones here who prefers a SXGA+/UXGA/QXGA 4:3 panel over widescreen ones? I don't know why but I feel the higher resolution 4:3 panels as special, even though comparing to the panels from Surface 4, book and laptop computers my IPS panel suffers from subpar brightness options (only 8 levels of brightness from my A30p and T43p), not as good contrast ratio (1:400 vs 1:1300) and defects due to the age.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#34 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:10 pm

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I hope the success of the Surface Pro yields more 3:2 panels, and consequently, more traditional laptops built with that display ratio.
Am I one of the only ones here who prefers a SXGA+/UXGA/QXGA 4:3 panel over widescreen ones? I don't know why but I feel the higher resolution 4:3 panels as special, even though comparing to the panels from Surface 4, book and laptop computers my IPS panel suffers from subpar brightness options (only 8 levels of brightness from my A30p and T43p), not as good contrast ratio (1:400 vs 1:1300) and defects due to the age.
I dont know why but QXGA has always held a special desire in me that can't be resolved by even 8K 32" displays. Something in me just is a sucker for highres 4:3 displays. If I had the money, Barco Medical Displays would have one frequent buyer.

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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#35 Post by jdk » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:22 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:53 pm
jdk wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:02 pm
I hope the success of the Surface Pro yields more 3:2 panels, and consequently, more traditional laptops built with that display ratio.
Am I one of the only ones here who prefers a SXGA+/UXGA/QXGA 4:3 panel over widescreen ones? I don't know why but I feel the higher resolution 4:3 panels as special, even though comparing to the panels from Surface 4, book and laptop computers my IPS panel suffers from subpar brightness options (only 8 levels of brightness from my A30p and T43p), not as good contrast ratio (1:400 vs 1:1300) and defects due to the age.
I liked 5:4 even better than 4:3, and used it as recently as 2014 on all of my work computers.
That was dual displays across all four workstations.
One day, I came in and found that somebody had replaced my ancient 5:4 displays with 16:9 displays. I did the only logical thing, and rotated them all vertically to become 9:16 displays =)

iPad Pro still has the 4:3 ratio, but it's a compromise with the OS that I wasn't willing to make.

Trying to find a QSXGA or WQSXGA display in 2017 is an exercise in futility. The last time I saw those was over half a decade ago, specialized builds for the medical industry, and those monitors were greyscale (@ about $7k per monitor new). I think they were used in the radiology department.

There are also 1:1 displays out there. One is a $1500 desktop monitor, the other was last used for the 2014 BlackBerry Passport.

Right now, it's only a realistic battle between 16:9 and 3:2. 3:2 is our next best hope.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#36 Post by axur-delmeria » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:25 pm

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I liked 5:4 even better than 4:3, and used it as recently as 2014 on all of my work computers.
I've used a 5:4 screen (NEC 1960NX, SXGA, PVA) until 2015, to proofread documents (prior to printing them), and I have to say they're awesome for the job. Too bad the LCD panel itself developed issues while in storage last year. :(
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#37 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:31 am

My desktop monitor (HP LP1965) is a 19" 5:4 (1280x1024), which has been in daily use now since March 2008.
It still looks as clear and crisp as when I got it new nearly 10 years ago!!
If it ever fails, I'll probably replace it with a Dell Ultrasharp U2415, which is a 24" 1920x1200 IPS monitor.
I also still got two "antique" NEC Multisync LCD1525V monitors, that I use for repairs and testing.
They are 15" XGA (1024x768) LED screens from the year 2000!

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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#38 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:55 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:My desktop monitor (HP LP1965) is a 19" 5:4 (1280x1024), which has been in daily use now since March 2008.
It still looks as clear and crisp as when I got it new nearly 10 years ago!!
If it ever fails, I'll probably replace it with a Dell Ultrasharp U2415, which is a 24" 1920x1200 IPS monitor.
I also still got two "antique" NEC Multisync LCD1525V monitors, that I use for repairs and testing.
They are 15" XGA (1024x768) LED screens from the year 2000!
Get your hands on some Ultrasharp 2001FP or 2007FP. 21" of Pure IPS @ UXGA. Beautiful Cheap Monitor. You'll never go back to SXGA again.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#39 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:42 pm

I have 5:4 SXGA screen on my desk for OptiPlex GX520. It's an Acer AL1715 display I picked up for free because none of the power and adjust buttons are working. And as a matter of fact, most schools in my area still use SXGA panels usually from Dell.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#40 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:47 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:I have 5:4 SXGA screen on my desk for OptiPlex GX520. It's an Acer AL1715 display I picked up for free because none of the power and adjust buttons are working. And as a matter of fact, most schools in my area still use SXGA panels usually from Dell.
Dell sure knows how to make a reliable desktop and monitor. Cant say the same about many of their other products....
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#41 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:57 pm

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Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:55 am
Get your hands on some Ultrasharp 2001FP or 2007FP. 21" of Pure IPS @ UXGA. Beautiful Cheap Monitor. You'll never go back to SXGA again.
Where did you find those monitors? The SXGA ones in Canada sells for CAD$10-20 (I got mine for free) while the UXGA ones sell for well above CAD$100
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kfzhu1229 wrote:I have 5:4 SXGA screen on my desk for OptiPlex GX520. It's an Acer AL1715 display I picked up for free because none of the power and adjust buttons are working. And as a matter of fact, most schools in my area still use SXGA panels usually from Dell.
Dell sure knows how to make a reliable desktop and monitor. Cant say the same about many of their other products....
Yea their business class stuff such as OptiPlex, Latitude and many monitors are darn reliable. Not so much for their Inspiron and XPS stuff, though they are still better than the cheap (sub $500) Lenovo, Acer and Asus stuff
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#42 Post by thinkpadcollection » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:41 pm

Even at 100 dollars CDN that's is very reasonable for UXGA 21" 21" is not common that high of resolution. I have a 1280x1024 17" Samsung in use for working on fun computers and 19" (gateway in storage, bright and sharp, unusual for gateway brand). Also 19" NEC 1280x1024 not my use, family's use it with their computer. All DVI. My main monitor is Samsung 23" 1920x1080 I know that's lousy but perfect for my needs.
Keep in mind our paper mache money value is lower usually so to be expected.

For the reason, I rarely now purchase to play with already having too much of too old junk. I make money count by purchasing price vs performance ratio first as I'm working on getting my recent purchased main HP Z220 redone first, needs high end Xeon E3 V2 series and convert to 16GB ECC or 32GB ECC ram all from ebay. then upgrade PSU from 400W to 600W from Z420 or Seasonic Prime PSU & adapter cable with 5V-12Vsb built in made for HP Z series motherboards to power recent purchased R9-270X 2GB card. In future, an socket 2011 (ivy or haswell) PC also from HP Z series workstation or custom built Ryzen threadripper with ECC ram next year.

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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#43 Post by MisterB » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:39 pm

I've got a 17" 5:4 LCD monitor, a Cornea CT1702. I love the 5:4 SXGA display but the reason I have it is its sync range. It can sync to 15khz horizontal and 48hz vertical on its VGA port which means it can handle native RGB video from my dinosaur computers and 50hz PAL video.

I also have two 15" 4:3 LCD monitors and one 24" FHD 16:9 24" LED monitor. The 5:4 monitor is my favorite even though it is from 2002 and shows its age. I've got 2 more as backups if this one goes.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#44 Post by pianowizard » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:21 pm

Dekks wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:42 am
No detachable - even the Thinkpad variant are robust enough for office work that needs tablet and keyboard input constantly causing one to detach/re-attach the kb constantly - the connectors rapidly give up the ghost. If your workflow is leaving it on the desk & watching the odd video then it's fine i guess but in a work environment where your constantly switching from kb to pen input & they get bumped a lot then they just don't cut the mustard.
This thread is about forum members' personal computers -- note the word "own" in the subject -- not employer-issued ones. If my work required computers to be abused, I most certainly wouldn't use my Surface 3. For personal use, I detach the keyboard from my Surface 3 (or the HP Pavilion X2 I once had) only occasionally, and I always do so extremely gently.

I have bought many desktop computers and a few laptops for people to use in my lab, but I would never buy them detachables or convertibles.
kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:53 pm
Am I one of the only ones here who prefers a SXGA+/UXGA/QXGA 4:3 panel over widescreen ones?
There are still quite a few 4:3 fans on this forum, but they have given up petitioning for 4:3. On the other hand, many former 4:3 diehards have grown to like 16:10 or even 16:9 over the years.
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I liked 5:4 even better than 4:3, and used it as recently as 2014 on all of my work computers.
That was dual displays across all four workstations.
Let's see, two 1280x1024 displays give a combined resolution of 2560x1024. Wouldn't it be better to have one 30" 2560x1600 monitor, or one 27" 2560x1440 monitor, or even a 29" 2560x1080 monitor? This way, you need only one video output, save a little bit of desk space, have two fewer cables to deal with, and have a single wide screen without any bezels in the middle. If you want to quickly resize a window to occupy half the screen, use this keyboard shortcut: Windows key + left or right arrow.
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There are also 1:1 displays out there. One is a $1500 desktop monitor
Some folks with small desks might find that 1920x1920 monitor appealing, but when space is tight I would rather rotate a 2560x1440 screen into 1440x2560 (and save over $1,000 in the process!); I have done this to two 27" QHD monitors in my lab and a 24" QHD monitor at home. If there is ample desk space, I much prefer having a single 3840x2160 screen over dual 1920x1920 screens (two times 1920x1920 = 3840x1920 total).
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Where did you find those monitors? The SXGA ones in Canada sells for CAD$10-20 (I got mine for free) while the UXGA ones sell for well above CAD$100
Look for them on Craigslist. Last year I sold 3 or 4 IPS UXGA monitors for $20 - $35 each on Craigslist.
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#45 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:37 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:21 pm
Look for them on Craigslist. Last year I sold 3 or 4 IPS UXGA monitors for $20 - $35 each on Craigslist.
This is one of the downsides of living in Canada. There is ABSOLUTELY no results for the word UXGA on both Kijiji and Craigslist and those sell over $100 on eBay.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#46 Post by jdk » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:15 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:21 pm

Let's see, two 1280x1024 displays give a combined resolution of 2560x1024. Wouldn't it be better to have one 30" 2560x1600 monitor, or one 27" 2560x1440 monitor, or even a 29" 2560x1080 monitor? This way, you need only one video output, save a little bit of desk space, have two fewer cables to deal with, and have a single wide screen without any bezels in the middle. If you want to quickly resize a window to occupy half the screen, use this keyboard shortcut: Windows key + left or right arrow.
Yes, but those weren't options at my workplace, where I was not in charge of hardware. I think there was exactly one 2560x1600 monitor, one of the archaic Mac Cinema displays from the mid 2000's in the entire office, and the boss got to use that.

2560x1600@30" is my wife's Dell monitor at home. It used to sit beside two 19" 5:4 displays on my personal workstation, and the 30" was actually less width than the two 19" monitors, due to the thick bezels.
That setup was done for two reasons: 1) simply my workflow as one screen always ran a fullscreen terminal with tmux; and 2) it was less than $200 for the entire setup, new out of the box, which was much cheaper than a widescreen monitor. Eventually, I ran on a great deal for 1440p monitors and jumped on it, per below.
pianowizard wrote:
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Some folks with small desks might find that 1920x1920 monitor appealing, but when space is tight I would rather rotate a 2560x1440 screen into 1440x2560 (and save over $1,000 in the process!); I have done this to two 27" QHD monitors in my lab and a 24" QHD monitor at home. If there is ample desk space, I much prefer having a single 3840x2160 screen over dual 1920x1920 screens (two times 1920x1920 = 3840x1920 total).
The 5:4 monitors were replaced with dual 2560x1440 24" Dell monitors which were about $300/apiece, new. I have not rotated them vertically yet, since I have not found a need with 1440 vertical pixels. I do not use scaling.

The 1920x1920 has always been on my wish list, but at 27", it is probably much too low of a dpi for me.

I have too many monitors.

Regarding the original topic, if it weren't for having to travel for work every now and then, I wouldn't even own a laptop.
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#47 Post by Dekks » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:18 am

pianowizard wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:21 pm
This thread is about forum members' personal computers -- note the word "own" in the subject -- not employer-issued ones. If my work required computers to be abused, I most certainly wouldn't use my Surface 3. For personal use, I detach the keyboard from my Surface 3 (or the HP Pavilion X2 I once had) only occasionally, and I always do so extremely gently.
If you have to be "that" gentle detatching the kb then IMO its a poor design even for consumer market and therefore never likely to replace my laptops.
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#48 Post by pianowizard » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:42 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:37 pm
This is one of the downsides of living in Canada. There is ABSOLUTELY no results for the word UXGA on both Kijiji and Craigslist and those sell over $100 on eBay.
Don't look up "UXGA" or even "1600x1200", as most Craigslist sellers don't include such information. Look up specific model numbers (e.g. 2007FP), or inspect the photos of 20-inch monitors. If a 20-inch monitor isn't widescreen, it has got to be UXGA because SXGA+ and QXGA are extremely rare on 20-inchers.
jdk wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:15 pm
Regarding the original topic, if it weren't for having to travel for work every now and then, I wouldn't even own a laptop.
Same here, and I have found a Windows tablet to be a better travel companion than any laptop I've owned. First I had the HP Pavilion X2, then the Lenovo Thinkpad 8, and now the Microsoft Surface 3. But I admit that there is one instance where a laptop would work much better than my Surface 3: using it on my lap! The Surface 3's kickstand is designed for flat surfaces and doesn't work so well on a person's lap. It does work, but the whole time I need to balance it carefully.
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If you have to be "that" gentle detatching the kb then IMO its a poor design even for consumer market and therefore never likely to replace my laptops.
I am always that gentle with my computers, even the toughest Thinkpads and Toughbooks that I used to own. Thus, I am not being extra careful with my Surface. And I would rather have a fragile-but-light detachable keyboard than a sturdy-but-heavy one, because I want to travel very light. No matter how long or far a trip is, my luggage is always just a tiny laptop carrying case that's barely big enough for 12-inch laptops. The key is doing laundry at the hotel, but carrying an ultra-mobile computer is crucial too. If I don't need to type much or run Windows programs on a trip, my 7" WUXGA Android smartphone suffices.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#49 Post by bhtooefr » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:33 am

So I still have a laptop (not counting retro devices), but I certainly wouldn't call it a daily use device.

Basically, I went from a ThinkPad T60/T61p QXGA frankenpad as my primary computer, to a MacBook Pro Retina 15" Mid 2012, because of the screen. Ultimately, though, I found that I really wanted Windows on my primary computer, which worked on the Mac (although with power management oddities), and I found that high quality laptops had short productive lifespan for some of the workloads that I subject my primary computer to (gaming being the one that's hard on high quality laptops, because of workstation class GPUs often not being selected for best performance).

So, I built a desktop. And, this meant that I could get the TrackPoint back, as I use a ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with my desktop.

As far as a laptop that isn't something retro, a friend gave me an X200 that he had no use for. I just put a X201 board in it, after running into problems with the IGP in Windows 10 (basically, the approved drivers are so old that not much is accelerated, and hacking the latest drivers for Windows 7 on made things unstable), and it's my travel device.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#50 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:46 pm

Just fully upgraded Dell OptiPlex 755 (with Xeon) and learnt that the laptop and desktop performance difference is still pretty big. I will continue to have my T43p as a travel computer, but I will have the O755 with me beside my bed. It doesn't have a trackpoint, but I did find a IBM SK-8815 USB keyboard for cheap and Lenovo ThinkPad laser mouse for free, even though the dell counterparts are just as good.
ThinkPad T61p for around my O755 era can have a quad core Core 2 Quad mobile and 8GB of RAM with extreme amount of mod. It is very decent for someone like me who likes UXGA displays, but even after fully frankenpaded it is just good enough for your web browsing needs with the old NVidia chip limiting its motherboard for intense stuff such as gaming.
I spent a total of CAD$380 on my OptiPlex 755 and fully upgraded it with 8GB 800mhz RAM in dual channel and GTX 1050ti recently and the performance is good enough to fly through most AAA games at high settings.
Here are the specs again at FULL maximum:
Xeon X3363 @2.83ghz OC to 3.20Ghz with SetFSB which I don't know if it actually increases the performance, unofficial maximum
8GB DDR2 800mhz OC to 902mhz dual channel, official maximum
120GB SSD + 500GB HDD
NVidia GTX 1050 Ti Mini, maximum for its PSU and form factor for today
(Zotac mini version with single slot width is the ONLY version that will fit inside a PCIe Riser on a desktop form O755 and trust me the clearance is just BARELY there after removing the plastic cover)
I don't play games a lot but with my 1680 * 1050 resolution, GTAV is able to run at max settings minus AA at 40fps avg
I guess the only downside is the 1050 Ti WILL get bottlenecked by Windows 7 if folks don't like Windows 10.
P.S: Before I decided to go all out and buy 1050 Ti, I was actually happy with my cheaper GT 730 GDDR5 inside this thing except for one thing - PCIe X8 compatibility. OptiPlex 755 does NOT work with X8 cards on X8, but it runs on X1 - and everything is laggy as hell even for Aero animations.
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Re: How many of you no longer own laptops?

#51 Post by Summilux » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:07 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:26 am
The Microsoft Surface 3 changed my life. HP's Spectre X2 and Elite X2 detachables with 12" 1920x1280 are also worth looking into.
Speaking about that. I'm vaguely considering using a Windows tablet with a legacy Thinkpad kbd I have yet to retrieve. The latest Surface 4 has a USB port, so that could work out.

Problem is, all the tablets and 360 laptops seem to be touch enabled, generally meaning : no matte screen. Google it, some suggested that after-market matte filters could be fitted onto the Surface and did reduce the glare. But I don't know if it's as good as a proper matte display.
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