T20 goes to sleep, takes 6 hrs to wake up!

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syrenab · #1 Post by **syrenab** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:54 pm

My T20 works very well , and is in constant use.
BUT, suddenly 3 weeks ago it went dead when I clicked [Fn] to return from Standby. At first I was scared, thought it had died.
Suddenly 6 hours later it started up normally.
This has now happened twice. Never occurred before in 4 years.
Battery is recently new, that is not problem. No Viruses detected..
Any suggestions welcome

Bill

verktyg · #2 Post by **verktyg** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:42 am

Replace the CMOS battery. If that doesn't help, your system board my be dying. The most common symtom is 2 green lights flash when you hit the start key then nothing. If you let it sit for a while??? it may start working again - for a while.

Check you network connection and any external devices. They can cause restart problems also. Check the memory with something like Memtest 386 or DocMem.

Are you going into Suspend or Hibernation?

dvorak · #3 Post by **dvorak** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:53 am

If it's not hardware then it may be Firefox. I've spent months trying to figure it out and now I know it's because of flash. It did generate a whole-lot of waiting to resume hibernation/standby, up to fifteen minutes, as I remember.

verktyg · #4 Post by **verktyg** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:38 am

dvorak wrote:If it's not hardware then it may be Firefox. I've spent months trying to figure it out and now I know it's because of flash. It did generate a whole-lot of waiting to resume hibernation/standby, up to fifteen minutes, as I remember.

Is that suspending while FireFox is running? What OS?

dvorak · #5 Post by **dvorak** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:12 am

It involves Firefox and Flash, open a page with flash ads (for example), then suspend/hibernate and the time it takes to come out of is linear to the time spent suspended, more or less :)
A few pages of theinquirer.net is enough to produce a long wait.
I'm running Windows XP.

#6 Post by **carbon_unit** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:51 am

If the problem is with firefox and flash ads you should get the adblock extension for firefox and block the ads and the frame in which they display.
http://adblock.mozdev.org/

dvorak · #7 Post by **dvorak** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:40 am

carbon_unit wrote:If the problem is with firefox and flash ads you should get the adblock extension for firefox and block the ads and the frame in which they display.
http://adblock.mozdev.org/

I suggest flashblock, using it myself, gives the ability to still see the flash with a simple click, some sites use flash as a menu, can't automatically make them invisible :P

#8 Post by **carbon_unit** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:19 pm

adblock only blocks the ones you tell it to, especially the flash ads. Either one would work fine. The flash ads really slow down an early T series.

dvorak · #9 Post by **dvorak** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:00 pm

carbon_unit wrote:adblock only blocks the ones you tell it to, especially the flash ads. Either one would work fine. The flash ads really slow down an early T series.

Yeah, but the problem with suspending is that any little flash object may cause such a wait. Hence it would be better to open them manually rather than disable specific ones, it's probably annoying to wait half an hour because you missed one tiny flash-counter.

#10 Post by **carbon_unit** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:16 pm

True enough!

golanbenoni · #11 Post by **golanbenoni** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:58 am

dvorak wrote:If it's not hardware then it may be Firefox. I've spent months trying to figure it out and now I know it's because of flash. It did generate a whole-lot of waiting to resume hibernation/standby, up to fifteen minutes, as I remember.

I've considered the possibility of running programs during sleep/hibernate causing a conflict, but I've had similar behavior when I have not been running a taskbar full of programs -- Infact, I've loaded my system, hibernated or placed it into sleep mode, and have still had an issue coming out of sleep/hibernate state. Perhaps there are other programs besides firefox/flash causing this? Although, I must say -- I have noticed on many occassions after coming out of sleep/hibernate that FireFox is pegging the CPU and I must kill it in order to bring the system back to normal operations.

Boy... I can't wait for OSX/x86 ...

verktyg · #12 Post by **verktyg** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:04 am

Suspects would by AV programs, anti spyware programs and firewalls. Try disabling any of these kinds of programs that are running to see if they are involved in the problem.

Also, I had a problem with my X31 WinXP freezing when going into suspend. I finally traced it to Network Bridge. After I disabled it, my problems went away.

CannedCorn · #13 Post by **CannedCorn** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:53 pm

Ok but this is rediculous, I've never owned a computer that doesn't come back from sleep, even with firefox! is this a thinkpad only problem? This t43p I'm on right now is my sixth and I want to return it / throw it out the window... how simple is it to make a computer sleep and come back on, common people this is unnacceptable.

christopher_wolf · #14 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:14 pm

This is not a Thinkpad problem at all; of all the 10 laptops I have had, the only ones to Suspend/Resume correctly and quickly were my Thinkpads and Powerbooks. If this is the sixth laptop purchase you have made, than I would consider looking *very* close at the programs that are running on it. If I remember correctly, the latest BIOS Upgrade supports a resume time of 2-3 Seconds. I get under 5 seconds, usually 3-4 Seconds, when suspending and resuming; but I do know that there are certain programs, the Windows OS is sometimes are part of this, that can be blamed for long suspend/resume times. Even where the system doesn't come out of Suspend at all. Some of these programs either can't stop a process they are running when a suspend hook gets registered simply because they aren't coded with that in mind or because they take up a *huge* amount of system resources which can also cause the problem you are describing.

CannedCorn · #15 Post by **CannedCorn** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:22 pm

Thank you for the fast reply... what I meant was that over the years I've been a loyal thinkpad supporter, owned many models. I think its the firefox thing that has been discussed because when firefox is not running it does not happen, but its extremely annoying. I have not seen this happen on any other computer of any other type with windows or without.

christopher_wolf · #16 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:43 pm

Well, I do know that Firefox can take up a large amount of memory ( it can max out at 200MB at times) when you open a bunch of pages in tabs and/or star playing embedded media. So I tried it out just now; interesting results

I opened as many pages as I could think of, and played some embedded media, and got firefox to 178MB. I then closed all other applications then proceeded to suspend the Thinkpad. It took longer than 5 seconds, somewhere around 7.25 Seconds I think, before it finally completed the suspend process. When I went to resume, it did indeed take longer; around 8 seconds with an extended blank screen period. I think, though, that this is realted to the amount of resources used by Firefox. This was also tried with Firefox 1.07 with similar results.

The only other thing I could think of is the way Firefox gets ahold of the Net Connection; is this while you are wirelessly connected or while you are plugged into an ethernet? I will try those two out and see what differences I can find.

#17 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:10 pm

FWIW, I've seen if you plug in or unplug hardware (even a USB mouse) while the laptop is in Suspend, that can prevent your laptop from waking up correctly. A good rule of thumb is not to connect or disconnect anything while the laptop is in Suspend. The only exception that I would grant would be the AC adapter. And if you are having trouble, I would verify that the AC adapter is not causing the problem. I don't use Hibernation, but I think the same thing would apply with that as well.

Another thing, on a ThinkPad 600E that I had, sometimes I had to hold the Fn key down for a few seconds before the laptop would wake up.

T20 goes to sleep, takes 6 hrs to wake up!

T20 goes to sleep, takes 6 hrs to wake up!

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