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Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#1 Post by Puppy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:11 pm

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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#2 Post by jdk » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:20 pm

Virtue signaling.

You are the biggest computer manufacturer in the world. Ask Microsoft, Google, or Huawei where to find the panels.
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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#3 Post by Cigarguy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:25 pm

I agree jdk, sounds like a politician. Lies lies lies. Can't tell me that Lenovo can't talk to a Chinese manufacturer and get it done if the will is there.

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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#4 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:25 am

Also, apple sources their own 16:10. Lenovo is the laegest Pc manufacturer, I doubt it would be that hard to source their own panels.
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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#5 Post by Self_Propelled_Crane » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:48 am

Why not go back to having 4:3 screens then? 3:2 is practically the same as 4:3 right?
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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#6 Post by Ibthink » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:50 am

Self_Propelled_Crane wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:48 am
3:2 is practically the same as 4:3 right?
No. 3:2 / 15:10 is actually closer to 16:10 than to 4:3 / 16:12.
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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#7 Post by exTPfan » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:15 am

This site is very useful for comparing different shapes:
http://www.displaywars.com/14,1-inch-4x ... 1-inch-3x2

I think 3:2 is the best we can hope for since the manufacturers have spent the last decade pushing 16:9 as !!!new!!! and 4:3 as obsolete. Perhaps 3:2 will become the !!!newnew!!!.
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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#8 Post by jdk » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:31 am

Oh noes! Lenovo can’t source enough 3:2 displays because they sell orders of magnitudes more laptops than Microsoft, Huawei, etc. !!!

God, that sub-reddit is a Lenovo controlled safe space.

Here’s a suggestion: Lenovo can come up with a limited production run or something to test the waters. Maybe a special edition emphasizing the retro squarish display that is limited to 5000 devices and is sold at a premium. Oh wait...
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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#9 Post by axur-delmeria » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:50 am

jdk wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:31 am
Here’s a suggestion: Lenovo can come up with a limited production run or something to test the waters. Maybe a special edition emphasizing the retro squarish display that is limited to 5000 devices and is sold at a premium. Oh wait...
:lol: :lol:

Good one there.

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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#10 Post by ThinkRob » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:18 pm

My guess is that the rest of that sentence is: "... that can provide screens at prices that won't send Fortune 500 CTOs running for the hills."

The days of the $2000 laptop are over. If a 3:2 screen makes ThinkPads cost what the Surface Book Pro did, then it ain't gonna happen.

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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#11 Post by Summilux » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:48 pm

jdk wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:31 am
Here’s a suggestion: Lenovo can come up with a limited production run or something to test the waters. Maybe a special edition emphasizing the retro squarish display that is limited to 5000 devices and is sold at a premium. Oh wait...
Yeah, about that... remember what happened the last time a laptop was supposed to be a special edition ? It ended up being a mere rebranded T470 with a legacy-ish keyboard :roll:
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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#12 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:54 pm

And more folks who puke on the 16:9 screen: Widescreen laptops are dumb
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#13 Post by Summilux » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:04 pm

Wow, that's an article from 2018. I'd have expected journalists to wake up to this reality, like, 10 years ago - when it was still time.
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Re: Lenovo’s ThinkPad team would like to move to 3:2 right now but are having trouble finding suppliers

#14 Post by penartur » Thu May 17, 2018 6:47 am

ThinkRob wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:18 pm
My guess is that the rest of that sentence is: "... that can provide screens at prices that won't send Fortune 500 CTOs running for the hills."

The days of the $2000 laptop are over. If a 3:2 screen makes ThinkPads cost what the Surface Book Pro did, then it ain't gonna happen.
Surface Laptop with 3:2 high-DPI screen starts at $800 (IIRC it was on sale for $700 recently), and is now $1100 for i5/8GB/256GB configuration (was on sale for $1000 a couple days ago).
X280 starts at $1060, for a basic configuration with a crappy TN 1366x768 screen. You'll need to add another $150 for IPS FHD screen (which is still worse than Surface Laptop one), bringing the total to $1200; and that's with 128GB SSD. Granted X280 is a newer model, and comes with 8th gen quad-core CPU, but still.
If I understand it correctly, by paying just $100-$200 more, you'll get Huawei Matebook X Pro (once it becomes available in US), which in the same weight and dimensions as X280 packs 13.9" 3:2 high-DPI screen (with slim bezels), same 8th gen CPU, MX150 and a larger battery.


Other points of reference among chinese "noname" manufacturers:
Cube thinker, with its 13.5" 3000x2000 screen, at $600 for Core m3/8GB/128GB, is exactly half the price of X280 with 12.5" FHD screen and Core i5/8GB/128GB.
Chuwi Lapbook, with its 12.3" 2736x1824 (3:2), at $300 for Atom/6GB/64GB, is one-fourth the price.
Then there are Chuwi hi13 (13.5" 3000x2000, $350 for Atom/4GB/64GB), Chuwi Surbook (12.3" 2736x1824, $450 for Atom/6GB/128GB) and other similar cheap devices.

But of course Lenovo, being the world's largest PC manufacturer, finds it impossible to source these panels for a decent price. That's why they charge for x280 screen upgrade half the retail price of the entire Lapbook laptop (and once you substract RAM and SSD price off that Lapbook, you'll get an entire barebone laptop with a nice 3:2 screen for the same money Lenovo makes you to pay for upgrade to IPS FHD).
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#15 Post by Summilux » Thu May 17, 2018 7:16 am

Meanwhile, MS announces a 50" 4K 3:2 screen for next year.

https://i.imgur.com/ZsZ2BLN.png

I wonder how they did this :roll: If even Lenovo has trouble finding regular 3:2 screen suppliers, there's absolutely no way MS can pull an XXL 3:2 panel out of its hat ! It must be vapourware, there's no other possible explanation :roll:
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#16 Post by penartur » Fri May 18, 2018 7:47 am

Summilux wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 7:16 am
Meanwhile, MS announces a 50" 4K 3:2 screen for next year.
If current Surface Hub prices are any indication, it's going to cost around $10,000...
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#17 Post by Summilux » Fri May 18, 2018 4:10 pm

But it'll be worth every penny ! Unlike what you get with a certain manufacturer :twisted:
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#18 Post by edik » Sat May 19, 2018 4:30 pm

What I would give for a T43p upgraded to 3:2 QHD, fast modern CPU, 32GB and dual drives... I mean the exact form factor of T43p.
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#19 Post by pianowizard » Sat May 26, 2018 5:45 am

penartur wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 6:47 am
But of course Lenovo, being the world's largest PC manufacturer
Lenovo has been #2 for several quarters now, since HP reclaimed the #1 spot. But of course Lenovo is still a very large PC manufacturer.
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#20 Post by penartur » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:55 am

penartur wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 6:47 am
Cube thinker, with its 13.5" 3000x2000 screen, at $600 for Core m3/8GB/128GB, is exactly half the price of X280 with 12.5" FHD screen and Core i5/8GB/128GB.
By the way, it is now on its final sale (I guess they're clearing out their stock to release new models), for $393, which is IMHO dirt cheap. Of course it's no thinkpad, but at this price and with such a screen I would not be especially picky.

If anyone is interested in that offer, just google for "alldocube thinker gearbest" (I'm not affiliated with them in any way).

Edit: https://us.gearbest.com/laptops/pp_620996.html
Lifebook P1032 (1024*600 8.9") => Averatec AV1000 (WXGA 10.6") => Kohjinsha SH6 (1024*600 7.2") => Sharp M4000 (WXGA 13.3") => X200-AFFS, dead => X200s-AFFS, later -PVA => X220 4290RV5 + Intel 310 80GB, T420s 4173KSU + FHD IPS + Sandisk Z400s 128GB

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