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#61 Post by storm-chaser » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:21 am

SO I managed 3.8 for most of the AIDA64 benchmarks and results are located here (some could not be completed due to heat:
Wishing I had a cooling system as robust as that from the W700 :)
https://ibb.co/album/fHD13v

Other benchmarks have been updated to include FPU Julia, FPU Mandel and FPU SinJulia. Running at a poultry 3.4Ghz

Although daily use at 3.4 is reasonable speed wise. No complaints. With a core voltage of 1.225.
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#62 Post by Screamer » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:39 am

The benchmark scores you have gotten are not too far from my W700's '4GHz' score. It is pretty close in fact, to the point that I would not mind being approximately 200MHz slower for very miniscule gains. Excluding the memory benchmarks of course, since I don't think it is fair to compare a DDR2 system to a DDR3 system.

It is also pretty pointless to do anything with the W700 going at 4GHz, because not many applications benefit from the high clock speed. The applications that I do see noticeable improvements in, are single-threaded emulators. One example is DeSmuME, but that is all I can think of right now.

Still an amusing bench-off as you called it, it is about time that we got some information on what happens if the W700 went head-to-head with a T61p in the overclocking department. Nice benching with you though, it has been quite a long time since I had compared my benchmarks with someone else other than myself.

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#63 Post by storm-chaser » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:55 am

Screamer wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:39 am
The benchmark scores you have gotten are not too far from my W700's '4GHz' score. It is pretty close in fact, to the point that I would not mind being approximately 200MHz slower for very miniscule gains. Excluding the memory benchmarks of course, since I don't think it is fair to compare a DDR2 system to a DDR3 system.

It is also pretty pointless to do anything with the W700 going at 4GHz, because not many applications benefit from the high clock speed. The applications that I do see noticeable improvements in, are single-threaded emulators. One example is DeSmuME, but that is all I can think of right now.

Still an amusing bench-off as you called it, it is about time that we got some information on what happens if the W700 went head-to-head with a T61p in the overclocking department. Nice benching with you though, it has been quite a long time since I had compared my benchmarks with someone else other than myself.
Speaking of the W700 at full potential, what would that look like? QX9300? Can the cooling system handle a quad core?

I jones for a lenovo quad core DDR3 laptop...

As for our benchmark / bench off results, yeah the difference is not as much as I would have thought. Good to get some more data out there.
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#64 Post by Cigarguy » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:06 am

Overclocking/tweaking without stability means nothing as it's not useful. Stability test along with proper screen shots are key to authenticity otherwise it's just another wild internet claim. That's our retro way of doing overclocking and is a practice that is generally followed to this day. You guys should check out some overclocking forums. Next up nitro!

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#65 Post by Screamer » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:10 am

Yes, the W700's heatsink can handle that, I just did not like the idea of having a slow quad-core. Most of my workloads tend to be very centered on single-threaded performance, which is why I never used a Core 2 Quad on my W700.

If I did recall properly about a W700 that had a QX9300 that was overclocked, it hit 3.2GHz on all cores. Must have been fast for sure, but I don't have a QX9300 to test right now. Though, I might get a QX9300 once I am done with my laptops that seriously needs repairs.
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:06 am
Overclocking/tweaking without stability means nothing as it's not useful. Stability test along with proper screen shots are key to authenticity otherwise it's just another wild internet claim. That's our retro way of doing overclocking and is a practice that is generally followed to this day. You guys should check out some overclocking forums. Next up nitro!
May 24 hours of Prime95's small FFTs suffice for your stability requirements? This is what I use to test if my overclock is anywhere stable.

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#66 Post by TPFanatic » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:27 am

T520 and T530 are good machines to throw a quad core into with a modified DGPU heatsink. The W520 and W530 are also good, with beefier heatsinks and workstation graphics, and can take up to 32GB of RAM. They can also sustain turbo unlike the 14" T420 and T430. All of them natively support FHD screens and there are apparently some drop in IPS screens as well.

T520 are becoming inexpensive, you can probably throw a quad core T520 with FHD and DGPU HSF modded in together for under $200. I built such a beast for $125 starting with a $50 sorry condition T520 on eBay.
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#67 Post by Cigarguy » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:43 am

Nevermind that a T520/530 CPU and platform is leagues faster and more energy efficient than any T61 mods.
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#68 Post by CrazyTPFan » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:02 pm

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:33 am
Zach123 wrote:
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Can you provide a download link please. Thanks, can't find throttlestop 8.50 anywhere on the internet.
Google a bit harder next time:

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/te ... ottlestop/
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#69 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:33 pm

@Zach123:
do we really also have to pre-chew everything for you?

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#70 Post by CrazyTPFan » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:35 pm

No, that was my mistake for not googling it. I was in a rush when the comments were posted and I wanted someone to find it for me because at the time I couldn't. If I caused any trouble I apologise.
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#71 Post by storm-chaser » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:50 pm

Cigarguy wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:06 am
Overclocking/tweaking without stability means nothing as it's not useful. Stability test along with proper screen shots are key to authenticity otherwise it's just another wild internet claim. That's our retro way of doing overclocking and is a practice that is generally followed to this day. You guys should check out some overclocking forums. Next up nitro!
As you probably know, the T61p does not have much in the way of cooling so we have bench settings and then what works stable for daily use. The art of refinement.
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#72 Post by CrazyTPFan » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:55 pm

storm-chaser wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:50 pm
As you probably know, the T61p does not have much in the way of cooling so we have bench settings and then what works stable for daily use. The art of refinement.
What is your CPU clocked at now, is it 3.8GHz or 3.4GHz because you mentioned something about running the CPU at 3.8GHz in a former post.
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#73 Post by storm-chaser » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:35 am

Zach123 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:55 pm
storm-chaser wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:50 pm
As you probably know, the T61p does not have much in the way of cooling so we have bench settings and then what works stable for daily use. The art of refinement.
What is your CPU clocked at now, is it 3.8GHz or 3.4GHz because you mentioned something about running the CPU at 3.8GHz in a former post.
Right now and at most times 3.4ghz @ 1.225 volts. We ran 3.8 for most of the benchmarks in the AIDA64 suite. And 4.2 for the CPUz hardware validation. Which is 3rd overall for the x9000 at HWbot.org when going on just clock speed. :thumbs-UP:

EDIT: Did you get your version of ThrottleStop downloaded? They typically include the 8.5 version in a sub folder located in the root of the TS install directory.
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#74 Post by CrazyTPFan » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:42 pm

storm-chaser wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:35 am
Zach123 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:55 pm


What is your CPU clocked at now, is it 3.8GHz or 3.4GHz because you mentioned something about running the CPU at 3.8GHz in a former post.
Right now and at most times 3.4ghz @ 1.225 volts. We ran 3.8 for most of the benchmarks in the AIDA64 suite. And 4.2 for the CPUz hardware validation. Which is 3rd overall for the x9000 at HWbot.org when going on just clock speed. :thumbs-UP:

EDIT: Did you get your version of ThrottleStop downloaded? They typically include the 8.5 version in a sub folder located in the root of the TS install directory.
I found 8.5 and downloaded it, but I'm having trouble overclocking my P9600 :( .
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#75 Post by TPFanatic » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:07 pm

P9600 does not have an unlocked multiplier. The whole point of Intel Core Extreme series X9100, X9000, QX9300, X7900, X7800, and T7600G is having an unlocked multiplier so you can overclock which you cannot do on a normal CPU.

However your P9600 does have Intel IDA (precursor to Turbo Boost) so you may occasionally see him run one of the cores at 2.8 ghz. Then there are ways to force Dual IDA as well.
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#76 Post by CrazyTPFan » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:30 pm

TPFanatic wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:07 pm
P9600 does not have an unlocked multiplier. The whole point of Intel Core Extreme series X9100, X9000, QX9300, X7900, X7800, and T7600G is having an unlocked multiplier so you can overclock which you cannot do on a normal CPU.

However your P9600 does have Intel IDA (precursor to Turbo Boost) so you may occasionally see him run one of the cores at 2.8 ghz. Then there are ways to force Dual IDA as well.
Ok, that's what I thought. I plan to buy a X9100 anyways for my R400, I just wanted to get familiar with ThrottleStop.
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#77 Post by storm-chaser » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:04 am

Zach123 wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:30 pm
TPFanatic wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:07 pm
P9600 does not have an unlocked multiplier. The whole point of Intel Core Extreme series X9100, X9000, QX9300, X7900, X7800, and T7600G is having an unlocked multiplier so you can overclock which you cannot do on a normal CPU.

However your P9600 does have Intel IDA (precursor to Turbo Boost) so you may occasionally see him run one of the cores at 2.8 ghz. Then there are ways to force Dual IDA as well.
Ok, that's what I thought. I plan to buy a X9100 anyways for my R400, I just wanted to get familiar with ThrottleStop.
That's correct... Dual IDA mode for the win. You can force dual IDA utilizing the middleton BIOS in conjunction with throttlestop for a gain of about 13% but it sounds like you are upgrading CPUs anyway... In any event, in the throttlestop options you will see a setting for "start Dual IDA" check that box and you'll be off and running.
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#78 Post by TPFanatic » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:30 pm

There's no Middleton's for the R400, but other mod bioses ex. bios-mods.com/forum may have Dual IDA enabled.
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#79 Post by storm-chaser » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:42 pm

For those of you who disagree with the term retro I think we can come to a compromise here.

How about T61p "retrofit" instead? :mrgreen:
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#80 Post by storm-chaser » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:40 pm

Its been well over a year since this project was born. I just wanted to provide a quick status update:
-The T61p is still my go to laptop for most everything
-X9000 is holding up just fine at 3.4Ghz
-Heat is not an issue because I can control fan speed via TPFancontrol
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#81 Post by Droider » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:56 pm

Hey storm-chaser,

That's one solid T61P build, nicely done. To me any computer that can run current software fluidly can not be called retro at all and i bet your T61p runs windows 10 just fine as it is nothing. The photos of the T61P in the album look like trash unfortunately, so you definitly have a retro camera there. :lol: :thumbs-UP:
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#82 Post by storm-chaser » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:19 pm

Droider wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:56 pm
Hey storm-chaser,

That's one solid T61P build, nicely done. To me any computer that can run current software fluidly can not be called retro at all and i bet your T61p runs windows 10 just fine as it is nothing. The photos of the T61P in the album look like trash unfortunately, so you definitly have a retro camera there. :lol: :thumbs-UP:
Thanks, as for the term retro maybe you should look up the definition before you make yourself look like more of a fool.
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#83 Post by dr_st » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:14 am

Droider, storm-chaser,

Please keep the discussion civil. When talking to half-anonymous folks on the web, which you have never met face-to-face, maybe there are more polite ways of getting the message across other than calling someone's photos "trash" and telling the other guy he might look "like a fool".

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#84 Post by TinkerMan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:00 pm

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so what was your best result in TS Bench with those settings? , I mean the multiplier set at 17 and voltage at 1.225
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#85 Post by storm-chaser » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:35 am

TinkerMan wrote:
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storm-chaser wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:19 pm
so what was your best result in TS Bench with those settings? , I mean the multiplier set at 17 and voltage at 1.225
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#86 Post by TinkerMan » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:55 pm

storm-chaser wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:35 am
TinkerMan wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:00 pm


so what was your best result in TS Bench with those settings? , I mean the multiplier set at 17 and voltage at 1.225
59.06 seconds
huh, you mean for 2 threads and size 64 MB?
the best I got was 49.298 seconds
EDIT, a previous version quoted a value of 29.298, but that was wrong
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#87 Post by storm-chaser » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:03 pm

Yes, I did another run just to check things out but it wasn't much different. Are you saying you have the same system running the benchmark in literally half the time? To be clear, you are using a T61p for this bench as well?

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#88 Post by TinkerMan » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:04 pm

storm-chaser wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:03 pm
Yes, I did another run just to check things out but it wasn't much different. Are you saying you have the same system running the benchmark in literally half the time? To be clear, you are using a T61p for this bench as well?
sorry my bad, it was 49,2, but I think it was a lucky shot, the best I can get right now is 52.5 at 3.4GHZ, albeit its very hot today, so maybe thats a factor too
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#89 Post by storm-chaser » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:12 pm

Yeah heat definitely plays a factor. As you can see I was right at the redline with that last run. Both cores were at or about 200*F for at least half a minute. Not something I want to do every day, but once in a while is alright.
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#90 Post by TinkerMan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:58 am

storm-chaser wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:12 pm
Yeah heat definitely plays a factor. As you can see I was right at the redline with that last run. Both cores were at or about 200*F for at least half a minute. Not something I want to do every day, but once in a while is alright.
New personal record just now, 49.212 at 3.4GHz
Edit, 3 minutes later new record 48.545

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W530, 3630QM, 32GB, K2000M
P1, XEON 2176, 32GB ECC, P2000, IPS
X230, 3320M, 16GB, HD4000, IPS
T601F X9000, 8GB, X3100, UXGA FlexView 1600x1200
T61 14" 4:3, T9500, 8GB, NVS140M
T60 14" 4:3, T7600, 3GB, GMA950
P71, 7700HQ, 16GB, P600, IPS
X201, R61i, T430s, T43p

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