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Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#1 Post by Annecy » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:50 pm

Anyone (else) contemplating ...
life for Windoze7 after M$ EoLs W7 :?:

Seems to me that I will want to perpetuate Windoze7 ...
on my T43 ... and T60/s ...
(I'm also/still endeavoring to resuscitate/perpetuate
the (specific/certain) WinXP install ... on my T30 :()


Of course, I suppose I could "convert" them to Linux machines :help:

Anyway/Seemingly a real challenge/issue will be ...
keeping Windoze7 machines "safe" ... when online ~
which ... in my case ...
will mean (at least) finding/installing a 3rdParty FireWall :banghead:

Back in the/my XP "daze" ...
I first used ZoneAlarm ...
Then ZA became a CPU HOG :SH!:
So ... I switched to Comodo Firewall ...

During the XP EoL ...
3rdParty FireWall (& AntiVirus) enterprises
continued supporting their XP compatible products ...
for limited time/s ... after the XP EoL :flame:

Who knows :??:
Maybe (some of) the Windoze7 "user base"
could organize/unite ...
& petition "someone" ... "out there"
to support/maintain a Windoze7 EoL FireWall :?:

Maybe even an OpenSource FireWall:eek:
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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#2 Post by br0adband » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:33 pm

You make it sound like the day the official support for Windows 7 stops the OS itself will just grind to a screeching halt, which of course is not the case. I myself will continue to use Windows 7 on my hardware - I just installed it on a Yoga 710 15" Kaby Lake the other day and 99.9% of the hardware is completely functional, the one aspect that doesn't is the multi-touch capability but since my Wife is going to use it in Stand-mode as her personal laptop she doesn't care about that.

Windows 7 will work fine on most anything for probably 6 more years from today, that's my guess, and as time passes I'll look into other solutions if necessary.

I don't worry so much about the BS from Intel and Microsoft nearly as much as some folks do because I know all the artificially created constraints they keep coming up with get dismissed by talented coders and hackers who just laugh and keep going. :)

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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#3 Post by MikalE » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:10 am

I will continue to run Win7 Pro on my T500 and T510, while another T510 and my T520 runs Wind10 Pro.

If I were to buy another T series machine it will have Win7 Pro installed.
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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#4 Post by Annecy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:09 pm

br0adband wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:33 pm
"You make it sound like the day the official support for Windows 7 stops the OS itself will just grind to a screeching halt, ..."
I (personally) do not agree with the above ... hyperbole :roll: :BAAAD!:

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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#5 Post by ajkula66 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm

As it stands now, W7 is the last MS OS that I'll ever use on my personal systems.

And my W7 installs have been locked down for a while now, blocking any updates. Nothing bad has happened.

I see no reason why any of this should change in 2020...

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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#6 Post by Annecy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:17 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm
"I see no reason why any of this should change in 2020..."
What about when (3rdParty) Win7 FireWall products
are no longer maintained ... as "state of the art" :?: :banghead:

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#7 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:23 am

Annecy wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:17 pm
ajkula66 wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm
"I see no reason why any of this should change in 2020..."
What about when (3rdParty) Win7 FireWall products
are no longer maintained ... as "state of the art" :?: :banghead:
I don't use them now...never have...
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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#8 Post by TonyJZX » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:18 am

I feel like this anxiety is undue at this stage.

Over the past five years or so I myself have participated in Win7 migrations for numerous companies.

Companies want their investment to last past 2020 so I reckon MS will continue to support Win7 for years to come.

A good example is Office 2007. Although support has officially ended they are still putting out updates.

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#9 Post by evening_hunger » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:05 am

What is funny is that W7 actually has a growing market share:) There even have been months when W10 dropped and W7 grew, haha. I'm too lazy to find the links again, did that for some bloke on reddit recently.
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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#10 Post by TonyJZX » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:37 am

I think businesses want a static easy to use stable desktop for their standard apps.... with no inline ads.

I cant imagine how silly it would be for a fall creators update or whatever they want to call it, rolling down every 6 months or so.

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#11 Post by pianowizard » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:42 am

evening_hunger wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:05 am
What is funny is that W7 actually has a growing market share:) There even have been months when W10 dropped and W7 grew, haha.
Just like for climate change, you need to look at the long-term trend, not local noise in the graph:

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#12 Post by MikalE » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:43 am

Other than the data collection aspect of Windows 10, I don't see why MS couldn't have two different OS's on the market together and support them both.

I wonder if they ever thought of this marketing strategy?
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#13 Post by dr_st » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:33 am

Support has cost and overhead attached to it. The fewer products and configurations you support, the less work you have to do. All of Microsoft's tactics for Windows 10 and EOLing older products follow the general strategy of minimizing the number of active products in the market. They are not the only company with this strategy, and are far from the most zealous about it; it makes a lot of sense from corporate point of view.
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#14 Post by MikalE » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:29 am

Always thinking about the bottom line instead of the customers who spend money with them. :roll:
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#15 Post by ajkula66 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:30 pm

MikalE wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:29 am
Always thinking about the bottom line instead of the customers who spend money with them. :roll:
Please say "hi" to the unintended consequences of the "shareholder revolution"... :mrgreen:
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#16 Post by olex126 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:41 pm

Good one George, and truer words were never spoken!!

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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#17 Post by Annecy » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:53 pm

MikalE wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:29 am
"Always thinking about the bottom line instead of the customers who spend money with them. :roll:"
"In theory ..." ...
the those two elements should be quite aligned :SH!:

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#18 Post by MikalE » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:32 pm

In theory...
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#19 Post by pianowizard » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:13 pm

I don't think MikalE was suggesting that Microsoft should support Windows 7 until the end of time, but rather introduce another version of Windows that resembles Win 7 and that coexists with Win 10. It could be named "Windows Classic". I proposed something like this a couple years ago, after seeing so many people say they hated Win 10. This way, people who love Win 7 but hate Win 10 would have something to upgrade to, and Microsoft would lose fewer customers.

Microsoft had coexisting versions of Windows before, i.e. 3.11 and NT, 95 and NT, and ME and 2000.
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#20 Post by shawross » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:30 pm

MikalE wrote:Always thinking about the bottom line instead of the customers who spend money with them. :roll:

That should be bottom line and new customers. There is no sentiment in business despite what marketing departments might pretend.
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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#21 Post by skx » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:44 am

pianowizard wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:42 am
evening_hunger wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:05 am
What is funny is that W7 actually has a growing market share:) There even have been months when W10 dropped and W7 grew, haha.
Just like for climate change, you need to look at the long-term trend, not local noise in the graph:

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operatin ... 1000%22%7D
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This data provides valuable insight into significant trends for internet usage. These statistics include monthly information on key statistics such as browser trends (e.g. Internet Explorer vs. Chrome market share), search engine referral data (e.g. Yahoo vs. Bing vs. Google traffic market share) and operating system share (Windows vs. Mac vs. Linux market share or iOS market share vs. Android).
Not accurate at all. Nice to look at but total meaningless figures. It's just impossible to accurately measure the market shares of each operating system. Knowing that the Linux userbase is more technically skilled as the others, you safely assume that their tracking was blocked on the majority of visited websites by linux users :wink:
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#22 Post by pianowizard » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:17 am

skx wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:44 am
Not accurate at all. Nice to look at but total meaningless figures. It's just impossible to accurately measure the market shares of each operating system. Knowing that the Linux userbase is more technically skilled as the others, you safely assume that their tracking was blocked on the majority of visited websites by linux users :wink:
We were comparing Win 7 with Win 10.
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#23 Post by skx » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:02 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:17 am
skx wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:44 am
Not accurate at all. Nice to look at but total meaningless figures. It's just impossible to accurately measure the market shares of each operating system. Knowing that the Linux userbase is more technically skilled as the others, you safely assume that their tracking was blocked on the majority of visited websites by linux users :wink:
We were comparing Win 7 with Win 10.
same applies, people change user agents etc. their stats only come from sites having their tracking configured.
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#24 Post by pianowizard » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 am

skx wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:02 pm
same applies, people change user agents etc. their stats only come from sites having their tracking configured.
As long as this caveat affects Win 7 and Win 10 more or less equally, it's not a major problem. I agree that, on average, Linux users are savvier than users of other operating systems, thereby skewing the data collected from Linux users. But I doubt there is a statistically significant difference between Win 7 and Win 10 users in this regard.

This study isn't that different from a poll. Granted, polls are never going to be 100% reliable, but neither are they "Not accurate at all. Nice to look at but total meaningless figures." Polls can be useful provided that the data are interpreted appropriately. Let me reiterate the reason I brought up this website: to illustrate that over the long term, Win 10 usage has been increasing, while Win 7 usage has been dropping. It's extremely unlikely that this trend in the data was caused by an increasing number of Win 7 users blocking tracking, and an increasing number of Win 10 users permitting tracking.
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#25 Post by MikalE » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:50 am

Most average users won't bother with, or know how to block tracking on Windows 10 anyway. Nor will they likely care or even know what it is. So there's that. As changeover to Windows 10 through the purchase of new computers occurs by the ignorant, of course stats for Win10 usage will increase by default.
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Re: Windoze7: Life after End of Life ???

#26 Post by skx » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:06 am

pianowizard wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 am
skx wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:02 pm
same applies, people change user agents etc. their stats only come from sites having their tracking configured.
As long as this caveat affects Win 7 and Win 10 more or less equally, it's not a major problem. I agree that, on average, Linux users are savvier than users of other operating systems, thereby skewing the data collected from Linux users. But I doubt there is a statistically significant difference between Win 7 and Win 10 users in this regard.
I fully agree with this.
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