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Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#1 Post by storm-chaser » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:44 pm

Quite often, I have this problem, especially when playing youtube videos *in HD* where the video will become distorted and hang for a few seconds. Audio continues normally through the hickups and eventually, the video feed recovers and continues on normally. Could this be a sign that my GPU is failing? Build date is listed as: 07/10

If I toggle the video quality and dial it down to 360p, the video distortion will occur at a much lower rate, but still happens from time to time.

Typically, I am running Microsoft Edge, but this also happens when running firefox or chrome. If I remember correctly, I did not have this problem when running windows 7. Just curious if anyone else has run into HD playback issues with the T61p, it does effect usability and I'd love to find a resolution to this problem. Specs listed below:

-x9000 CPU clocked at 2.8Ghz with 1.0875 vcore (however, vid distortion occurs at any clock speed)
-Middleton BIOS
-Intel SSD 80Gb
-ThrottleStop
-Nvidia Quadro FX 570m GPU
- Windows 10 pro 64 bit
-4GB RAM
AMD Phenom II 965 @ 4.1Ghz, 8GB DDR3 1600, SSD
AMD Phenom II 960T @ 4.1Ghz, 8GB DDR3 1600, SSD
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#2 Post by Screamer » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:43 am

Disable hardware acceleration on Edge or Chrome or Firefox, then check if it still gives the distorted video output. If it still continues to display a distorted output, I can only guess that the drivers might be at fault.

I doubt that it is the graphics chip failing, based on what you mentioned about Windows 7 not giving a distorted video output. This could be a sign though, but I would not be so sure on that.

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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#3 Post by storm-chaser » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:30 pm

Screamer wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:43 am
Disable hardware acceleration on Edge or Chrome or Firefox, then check if it still gives the distorted video output. If it still continues to display a distorted output, I can only guess that the drivers might be at fault.

I doubt that it is the graphics chip failing, based on what you mentioned about Windows 7 not giving a distorted video output. This could be a sign though, but I would not be so sure on that.
Still no change despite some browser tweaks. Sucks because this is a deal breaker of sorts as I stream from this laptop quite a bit. And I have to agree, it must be a driver issue since windows 7 seems to be no problem. At this point I have downloaded and installed the latest driver from Nvidia with no change... so I might as well roll back to windows seven. I think that's best resolution at this point.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#4 Post by storm-chaser » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:30 pm

Screamer wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:43 am
Disable hardware acceleration on Edge or Chrome or Firefox, then check if it still gives the distorted video output. If it still continues to display a distorted output, I can only guess that the drivers might be at fault.

I doubt that it is the graphics chip failing, based on what you mentioned about Windows 7 not giving a distorted video output. This could be a sign though, but I would not be so sure on that.
I have successfully downgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 w/ Office 2016 (windows 7 install via windows 8 PE) with registry tweaks and other customizations
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#5 Post by storm-chaser » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:32 pm

Well, After some testing it appears as though downgrading to windows seven has resolved my playback issues.

In case anyone else is having the same problem... this appears to be the only resolution, unforunately.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#6 Post by wujstefan » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:25 am

storm-chaser wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:32 pm
Well, After some testing it appears as though downgrading to windows seven has resolved my playback issues.

In case anyone else is having the same problem... this appears to be the only resolution, unforunately.
Try 8800m GS drivers. They work perfectly on my system w/windows 10.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#7 Post by storm-chaser » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:00 am

wujstefan wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:25 am
storm-chaser wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:32 pm
Well, After some testing it appears as though downgrading to windows seven has resolved my playback issues.

In case anyone else is having the same problem... this appears to be the only resolution, unforunately.
Try 8800m GS drivers. They work perfectly on my system w/windows 10.
Too late... however I have another SSD i will swap in eventually and try your fix... I assume you are talking about a t61p.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#8 Post by wujstefan » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:35 pm

storm-chaser wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:00 am
Too late... however I have another SSD i will swap in eventually and try your fix... I assume you are talking about a t61p.
fx570m is actually a nerfed 8800m GS :) Yes, I do mean T61p.

To be honest I do not like this chip much. 35W power hog nerfed down to 128Mb is just not worth the effort. I was able to get very close performance with overclocked (via Riva Tune) nvs140m eating only 10W.
In 15,4" unit, however, it does the job. I can't understand why they cut half of the memory in 14,1"...
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#9 Post by storm-chaser » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:02 pm

wujstefan wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:35 pm
storm-chaser wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:00 am
Too late... however I have another SSD i will swap in eventually and try your fix... I assume you are talking about a t61p.
fx570m is actually a nerfed 8800m GS :) Yes, I do mean T61p.

To be honest I do not like this chip much. 35W power hog nerfed down to 128Mb is just not worth the effort. I was able to get very close performance with overclocked (via Riva Tune) nvs140m eating only 10W.
In 15,4" unit, however, it does the job. I can't understand why they cut half of the memory in 14,1"...
I have the 15.4" varient. Still, good information... I know it's super power hungry and I'm tempted to install the highsun BIOS to mitigate extra heat because it's a little out of control. My next purchase with be a 15.4" T61 with the NVS140m. I agree it is a superior piece.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#10 Post by wujstefan » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:43 am

Well, 15,4" at least packs 256Mb of VRAM.
As for undervolting; try a different approach via RivaTune / NVidia inspector / Trixx.

As for the heat, how bad is it? Mine is and was running just fine.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#11 Post by storm-chaser » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:42 pm

wujstefan wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:43 am
Well, 15,4" at least packs 256Mb of VRAM.
As for undervolting; try a different approach via RivaTune / NVidia inspector / Trixx.

As for the heat, how bad is it? Mine is and was running just fine.
Idles about 50*C but it will tend to spike a but if playing youtube videos. Still not bad at all, just trying to mitigate heat as much as possible.

I will try those programs and let you know what I find! Thanks much.

I have Windows 10 RS5 plus Office 2019 downloading at the moment. We will see how she runs with your recommendations for the different driver.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#12 Post by storm-chaser » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:53 pm

Installed Windows 10 RS5 with Office 2019 and then I went ahead and installed the 8800 drivers. Better, much better. Streaming is near perfect. Thank you very much for the suggestion.

T61p is once again my daily driver! :mrgreen:
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#13 Post by RMSMajestic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:36 pm

vRAM size is the problem.
X3100 would perform better.
but even x3100 is limited to 384MB and that's why I gave up on X61 and T61
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#14 Post by RMSMajestic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:38 pm

Also, you might wanna consider disable powermizer using nvgputweak tool. powermizer was giving me troubles on my W701
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#15 Post by storm-chaser » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:24 pm

RMSMajestic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:38 pm
Also, you might wanna consider disable powermizer using nvgputweak tool. powermizer was giving me troubles on my W701
I will add that to my short list... so far we have:
-RivaTune
-NVidia inspector
-Trixx
-nvgputweak tool

I know we are reaching the limits on how these old machines can perform... but I just don't want to let go of my T61p yet. :mrgreen:
Secondarily, I am looking into building a new T61 15.4" with the NVS 140? graphics chip and retro fitting that with the latest tech... I do have a spare T9300 laying around, as well as a spare Sata II SSD. So that will be my next project and we will see how it performs pound for pound with the T61p w/ x9000 chip.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#16 Post by storm-chaser » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:13 pm

Tried most of those programs and they don't run on Windows 10 at least.. I also think the T61p is totally locked out in terms of software changing the GPU voltage...
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#17 Post by Screamer » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:33 am

Indeed, the T61p and its derivatives (R61/T61) doesn't have any way of changing their graphics chip's voltage. You could give MSI Afterburner a shot though, but I believe that doesn't work either.

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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#18 Post by RMSMajestic » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:45 am

storm-chaser wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:13 pm
Tried most of those programs and they don't run on Windows 10 at least.. I also think the T61p is totally locked out in terms of software changing the GPU voltage...
Dump winbugs 10!
Also if you don't mind 16:10 wide screen, get a W500 or W700 instead. 512MB/1GB vRAM is not enough but definitely much better than the 256MB you get on T61
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#19 Post by storm-chaser » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:34 pm

RMSMajestic wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:45 am
storm-chaser wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:13 pm
Tried most of those programs and they don't run on Windows 10 at least.. I also think the T61p is totally locked out in terms of software changing the GPU voltage...
Dump winbugs 10!
Also if you don't mind 16:10 wide screen, get a W500 or W700 instead. 512MB/1GB vRAM is not enough but definitely much better than the 256MB you get on T61
Im addicted to Microsoft Edge now... They have me locked in for the time being, lol. I tried going back to windows 7 but the UI is just not as seemless as windows 10. I don't mind a bug or two every now and again but I really dislike the T61p not being able to stream in HD. That's really the main problem I have. Otherwise, I'm using TPFANControl to reduce heat. I have the x9000 cpu and she runs a little hot despite being undervolted to 2.8Ghz @ 1.050volts.

Only other thing I can do now is undervolt the GPU via highsuns bios. However, I'm not quite sure of the steps. I think it has to be flashed from DOS.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#20 Post by wujstefan » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:33 pm

Well under windows 7 nVidia Inspector works just fine.

What are your temps? Do not expect the difference to be that spectacular.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#21 Post by storm-chaser » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:17 am

wujstefan wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:33 pm
Well under windows 7 nVidia Inspector works just fine.

What are your temps? Do not expect the difference to be that spectacular.
Good to know. GPU temps seem to parallel my CPU temps in most situations.

For example, GPU idles around 55*C and ramps up to about 70-75*C under load.

Just wondering what else I can do to solve this problem. It's really the only deal breaker I have with this machine.
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Re: Artifacts/distortion occasionally when playing youtube videos in HD (T61p)

#22 Post by wujstefan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:25 pm

These are nothing bad for this chip. Mine peaks even higher on reduced voltage :) Remember, it's 35W of power over there.

You'd gain 3-4C undervolted, and may lose stability. Since this GPU is quite power hungry it does make a difference undervolted. 128Mb undervolt nicely, but I have found 256Mb versions from 15,4" not able to undervolt much.
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