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Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#1 Post by zoltan87 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:08 pm

Well, it seems like I might have one of those fake processors from China, I read about a while ago. I ordered an Intel X9000 for my T601 Frankenpad build, as it was somewhat cheaper as the rest there.

It arrived this morning, and I put it in later when I had some time. The computer didn't boot up, didn't display anything on the screen, and was completely unresponsive. The only clue that it was on was the small power on LED under the display. I tried to boot up multiple times, removed the cpu then put it back, nothing changed. I actually started to worry, that my motherboard might had died somehow. But when I put back the original Intel T7300, everything was back to normal.

Then I took out that cpu, and compared the two together. And I noticed something strange: the label thing of the X9000 (the black areas on both top and bottom where the white description is with cpu type, fsb etc) has a different texture, compared to the T7300. On the Intel T7300, it's smooth, but on the X9000 it is more rough, and has an outer line, where I can just barely see a smoother under-layer, almost as if it had been printed on a second time. Here is a link, where hopefully you can see what I am talking about:

https://imgur.com/a/s7nbn6A

It's very hard to see, but on extremely close inspection I can definitely see a difference.
Is this normal? Maybe this print quality variation is normal, I just received a broken cpu, that is otherwise genuine,? Or do you guys think, that it's a re-labeled or completely fake chip? I am about to message the seller for a refund, and will attach these comparing pictures to the message too.
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Re: Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#2 Post by Screamer » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:29 pm

It is difficult to tell, but here is what I suspect about it.

I believe that this is a dead processor that has its label re-badged, or printed on again like you mentioned. Other than that, there is one give-away that I have noticed. The AW80576 marking is incorrect, and does not fit in with the time period that it was produced in. It is supposed to be FF80576 like the rest of the processors on the Santa Rosa (800MT/s) platform. The AW80576 marking as far as I know, has only made its appearance on the Montevina (1066MT/s) platform.

It should be a dead, but genuine processor that belonged to the Montevina platform for sure.

EDIT: The FF80576 marking is only on the Penryn cores that have the full 6MB of L2 cache on-die, my apologies. The same goes for the AW80576 marking, it too only shows on the Penryn cores that has its full 6MB of L2 cache on-die.

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Re: Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#3 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:11 pm

Have you applied Middleton's BIOS (with the T7300 still in)?
If not, the X9000 will not boot!
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Re: Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#4 Post by zoltan87 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:26 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:11 pm
Have you applied Middleton's BIOS (with the T7300 still in)?
If not, the X9000 will not boot!
Yes, I have updated the BIOS with Highsun's modded BIOS. I have SATA 2 speed (I checked it in CrystalMark), so I am pretty positive it should work with the CPU, if it wasn't dead, or fake.
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Re: Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#5 Post by zoltan87 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:44 pm

Just a quick update, I managed to acquire an Intel T9500 cpu, and that works perfectly in the laptop. So it's definitely not a BIOS related issue, something is just not right with that X9000 :( .
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Re: Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#6 Post by GrifterGuru » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:54 pm

zoltan87 wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:44 pm
Just a quick update, I managed to acquire an Intel T9500 cpu, and that works perfectly in the laptop. So it's definitely not a BIOS related issue, something is just not right with that X9000 :( .
Start a "Not as described" case as the X9000 CPU is unfit for purpose as advertised, that is, if it was purchased through ebay.

Paypal may help out with a "not as described/unfit for purpose" case and may well help you obtain a refund.

Failing that, look to your C/Card company or bank and explain the situation and you should be ok. As far as the transaction is concerned, it is a fraudulent sale, so you should have some form of options......
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Re: Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#7 Post by zoltan87 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:08 pm

GrifterGuru wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:54 pm
Start a "Not as described" case as the X9000 CPU is unfit for purpose as advertised, that is, if it was purchased through ebay.

Paypal may help out with a "not as described/unfit for purpose" case and may well help you obtain a refund.

Failing that, look to your C/Card company or bank and explain the situation and you should be ok. As far as the transaction is concerned, it is a fraudulent sale, so you should have some form of options......
I paid with Paypal on Ebay, so I will be protected. At the moment I am just exchanging messages with the seller, he seems to be helpful too. I have an other T61 in pieces, will put it together, and try it in that machine too, just in case. Put at this point I am 99% sure it won't work there either.
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Re: Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#8 Post by GrifterGuru » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:38 pm

Strangely enough, the odd ocassion I have had a problem, it has usually been with an ebay seller from China/Hong Kong and not always a fault of the seller, but I have found they will generally go out of their way to resolve the issue properly.

It seems to be a matter of business pride to them at least on a person to person, personal level. Rather, it has seemed that way with those I have dealt with anyway.

I have never had any problems importing items over the last 18 years either as they seem to know how to label the goods to avoid customs charges.

I have losst count of the number of items I have imported from around the world (must be in the 1000's though!), from places Including China, Hong-Kong, Austria, Australia, Germany, U.S.A, Netherlands, France, Canada, Russia, Poland etc etc.
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Re: Did I just buy a FAKE Intel X9000 cpu ?!

#9 Post by Screamer » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:20 pm

zoltan87 wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:44 pm
So it's definitely not a BIOS related issue, something is just not right with that X9000 :( .
Looks like that X9000 is not an X9000, that's for sure. I checked around for such an X9000 that was labeled with the AW80576 product code, and I did not find anything that matches your X9000. A genuine X9000 would indeed have FF80576 as its product code, just as I had suspected.

Judging from the inability to boot with this processor, it is definitely a dead, but genuine processor that has been re-labeled for some reason. I suppose that is the conclusion, a re-labeled dead processor...

I don't mean to reveal the eBay seller's name, but is he/she domoki1988 on eBay?

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