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Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

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Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#1 Post by axur-delmeria » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:08 pm

Let's set aside the BIOS boot issue for the moment.

We have 2 PCIe x1 lanes via the WLAN and WWAN ports.

Is it possible to link those 2 together and use them to connect an M.2 2242 NVMe SSD?

Or will the PCIe v1.1 bandwidth of 250 MB/s per lane make it moot?
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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#2 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:49 pm

Theoretically, maybe. But even if you did, it would require reworking the socket and then what are you gaining? Even if the nvme drive ran full speed, it's a core 2 duo when all is said and done and that will be the limiting speed.
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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#3 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:20 am

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:49 pm
Theoretically, maybe. But even if you did, it would require reworking the socket
Reworking? Maybe a PCB with edge contacts for both slots, with a flush M.2 socket like this one could work.
what are you gaining?
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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#4 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:47 am

You (under a different username) discussed this already a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... _possible/
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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#5 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:35 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:47 am
You (under a different username) discussed this already a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... _possible/
There was no mention of NVMe in that thread, just mSATA. We already know that mSATA won't work on the X6x mPCIe slots, so I was wondering if NVMe (which uses PCIe directly) was possible, even if only theoretically.

Regarding hybrid storage: the "last resort" is tapping the IDE port on the docking connector, which means 32 signal pins that need to be properly shielded plus 8 ground pins. :x

That's asking for even more trouble. :lol:
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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#6 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:48 am

Hmmm, I think I've answered part of my question...

I just Googled "NVMe SSD on mini-PCIe" and this baby showed up.

Sintech M.2 (NGFF) nVME SSD to Mini PCIe Adapter with 20cm Cable
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There's also this one, but there may not be enough free space due to the palmrest.
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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#7 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:18 am

If you want a dual HDD/SSD in an X61, just get a WD Black2(squared) drive.

128GB SSD, 1TB HDD, 1 9.5mm drive.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Digita ... 1710!US!-1
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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#8 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:27 am

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:18 am
If you want a dual HDD/SSD in an X61, just get a WD Black2(squared) drive.

128GB SSD, 1TB HDD, 1 9.5mm drive.
Wasn't that discontinued due to compatibility issues, as it uses some kind of internal SATA port multiplier that doesn't work with a fair number of systems?

Reading the reviews... is there Linux support?

Gentoo wiki provides the answer: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/WD_Black2

Unfortunately I already have a 1TB HDD and not in the market for a new one.
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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#9 Post by flyingfishfinger » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:29 pm

I made an ugly dual HDD hack for my old X61 a few years ago:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=114432#p735315

Tapped into the SATA interposer card to add a bootable mSATA card, then used a mPCIE->USB3->SATA adapter that was wired back into the HDD bay for a 2nd drive.

Heat problem were definitely a thing.

I didn't use a mPCIE->SATA card because I also wanted USB3, and there was some other issue I"m forgetting about. I did try it though.

Good luck, let us know what you come up with!

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Re: Is an NVMe SSD (theoretically) possible on an X61?

#10 Post by axur-delmeria » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:51 am

flyingfishfinger wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:29 pm
I made an ugly dual HDD hack for my old X61 a few years ago:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=114432#p735315

Tapped into the SATA interposer card to add a bootable mSATA card, then used a mPCIE->USB3->SATA adapter that was wired back into the HDD bay for a 2nd drive.

Heat problem were definitely a thing.

I didn't use a mPCIE->SATA card because I also wanted USB3, and there was some other issue I"m forgetting about. I did try it though.
I remember your thread from back then. Wasn't the USB 3.0 card damaged while you where trying to install an on/off switch for it?
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