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T43 fan noise clicky?

#1 Post by Jefferson » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:00 pm

I just got a used T43. the condition was... i think the previous owner must have had a cat.

anyhow, i thoroughly cleaned it up, repasted the heatsink, etc.

i'm installing the windows but i noticed that the fan noise is loud and clicky. it sounds almost like an old hard drive. i installed SSD so it can only be the fan noise.

i knew T43 is known for loud fan noise. but does it tend to generate clicky noise? or is it just that my fan is too old and dying?

thanks!
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#2 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:12 pm

Replace the fan with 13R2657 long fan from T42p and call it a day.
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#3 Post by Jefferson » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:50 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:12 pm
Replace the fan with 13R2657 long fan from T42p and call it a day.
Thanks. Will probably do that.

I just noticed something else. I thought T43s keep a hard drive white list and would give me an error when it's not in the list.

I'm using msata SSD with IDE converter so it can't possibly be on the list, yet T43 does not give out any error message upon booting.

I did notice it has the lastest BIOS. Did Lenovo remove the white list at a later BIOS release?
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With the original box and documentation : 600, 380XD, 385XD, X24, X30(10th Anniv), T42p, T43, R52, W700ds
Without : 385XD, 600X, 770X, W701, T420, T430, T520, X230
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#4 Post by Jefferson » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:53 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:12 pm
Replace the fan with 13R2657 long fan from T42p and call it a day.
oh, btw, my t43 is 14" model. does the 13R2657 work with 14" models?
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With the original box and documentation : 600, 380XD, 385XD, X24, X30(10th Anniv), T42p, T43, R52, W700ds
Without : 385XD, 600X, 770X, W701, T420, T430, T520, X230
Not working & for parts : At least a dozen
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#5 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:22 am

That fan will work in both sizes T4x/p.
The whitelist was probably removed by applying TTAV134's BIOS.
If you also have Slic2.1 in BIOS (which automatically activates W7), then you definitely have that BIOS.
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#6 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:08 am

Jefferson wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:00 pm
i'm installing the windows but i noticed that the fan noise is loud and clicky. it sounds almost like an old hard drive. i installed SSD so it can only be the fan noise.

i knew T43 is known for loud fan noise. but does it tend to generate clicky noise? or is it just that my fan is too old and dying?

thanks!
If you are good at handiworks and want to save up a bit of cash you can try to open the fan up and lubricate the fan. You need to separate the aluminium bottom against the copper top via the 4 joints (be careful to minimise the deformation caused by the prying), and then you can pull the fan blade right out of the aluminium housing and dab 1-2 drops of oil in the hole where the axle plugs into, give it a thorough cleaning to the places inside the assembly that you weren't able to reach before, assemble it back up and all of your clicking noises and most of your sound issues will be gone.
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#7 Post by wujstefan » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:50 am

Drilling through the part where the axle goes also does the job just fine.
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#8 Post by Jefferson » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:55 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:22 am
That fan will work in both sizes T4x/p.
The whitelist was probably removed by applying TTAV134's BIOS.
If you also have Slic2.1 in BIOS (which automatically activates W7), then you definitely have that BIOS.
Thanks!
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With the original box and documentation : 600, 380XD, 385XD, X24, X30(10th Anniv), T42p, T43, R52, W700ds
Without : 385XD, 600X, 770X, W701, T420, T430, T520, X230
Not working & for parts : At least a dozen
Other laptops : Dell, Alienware, Lenovo
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#9 Post by Jefferson » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:56 pm

wujstefan wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:50 am
Drilling through the part where the axle goes also does the job just fine.
i think i know what you mean but i'd be too scared to do that :)

thanks!
:banana:
With the original box and documentation : 600, 380XD, 385XD, X24, X30(10th Anniv), T42p, T43, R52, W700ds
Without : 385XD, 600X, 770X, W701, T420, T430, T520, X230
Not working & for parts : At least a dozen
Other laptops : Dell, Alienware, Lenovo
:banana:

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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#10 Post by Jefferson » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:59 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:08 am
If you are good at handiworks and want to save up a bit of cash you can try to open the fan up and lubricate the fan. You need to separate the aluminium bottom against the copper top via the 4 joints (be careful to minimise the deformation caused by the prying), and then you can pull the fan blade right out of the aluminium housing and dab 1-2 drops of oil in the hole where the axle plugs into, give it a thorough cleaning to the places inside the assembly that you weren't able to reach before, assemble it back up and all of your clicking noises and most of your sound issues will be gone.
I'm thinking about doing that. the one i'm working on is pretty much beat up anyways.

btw, do you happen to know if the CPU on T43s comes with a shim on top of the core from the factory?

As I stated in my other post, mine came with what appears to be a thin foil shim between the core and the heatsink and I'm not sure if it came from the factory that way or the previous owner did some mod to improve cooling performance...

thanks!
:banana:
With the original box and documentation : 600, 380XD, 385XD, X24, X30(10th Anniv), T42p, T43, R52, W700ds
Without : 385XD, 600X, 770X, W701, T420, T430, T520, X230
Not working & for parts : At least a dozen
Other laptops : Dell, Alienware, Lenovo
:banana:

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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#11 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:20 am

I have had several hundred of T43 machines go through my hands.
Never seen a foil/shim/whatever on the CPU, other than thermal paste.
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#12 Post by Jefferson » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:08 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:20 am
I have had several hundred of T43 machines go through my hands.
Never seen a foil/shim/whatever on the CPU, other than thermal paste.
thanks for your comment.

With the fact that my T43 came with unlocked bios, i'm beginning to think that it was the previous owner who tried thermal mod on T43.
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With the original box and documentation : 600, 380XD, 385XD, X24, X30(10th Anniv), T42p, T43, R52, W700ds
Without : 385XD, 600X, 770X, W701, T420, T430, T520, X230
Not working & for parts : At least a dozen
Other laptops : Dell, Alienware, Lenovo
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#13 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:15 pm

Jefferson wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:59 pm

I'm thinking about doing that. the one i'm working on is pretty much beat up anyways.

btw, do you happen to know if the CPU on T43s comes with a shim on top of the core from the factory?

As I stated in my other post, mine came with what appears to be a thin foil shim between the core and the heatsink and I'm not sure if it came from the factory that way or the previous owner did some mod to improve cooling performance...

thanks!
No Intel laptop CPUs from the mid 2000s that I am aware of have a shim on it. And I am not sure how foil can improve thermal performance because the thermal conductivity is much lower than copper?
If you want to do the mod do you understand my procedures or do I need to explain a bit better? Tbh separating the 4 joints on the heatsink with minimal deformation is the most challenging thing in this procedure, and depending on the perfection of your separation, you may or may not need to attach the heatsink on the laptop to hold the joints together. Also forgot to mention it is recommended for you to replace the metal guiding tape with foil or aluminium tape because for about 5 of these assemblies that I have lubricated (AFTER you make sure you didn't dab too much oil that it goes everywhere ofc), I have not once end up with strong enough adhesive to reuse it.
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#14 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:16 pm

I personally undervolted the PM 780 CPU to keep it cool btw
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#15 Post by Gaspard77 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:07 am

Jefferson wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:59 pm
kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:08 am
If you are good at handiworks and want to save up a bit of cash you can try to open the fan up and lubricate the fan. You need to separate the aluminium bottom against the copper top via the 4 joints (be careful to minimise the deformation caused by the prying rembourser crédit ), and then you can pull the fan blade right out of the aluminium housing and dab 1-2 drops of oil in the hole where the axle plugs into, give it a thorough cleaning to the places inside the assembly that you weren't able to reach before, assemble it back up and all of your clicking noises and most of your sound issues will be gone.
I'm thinking about doing that. the one i'm working on is pretty much beat up anyways.

btw, do you happen to know if the CPU on T43s comes with a shim on top of the core from the factory?

As I stated in my other post, mine came with what appears to be a thin foil shim between the core and the heatsink and I'm not sure if it came from the factory that way or the previous owner did some mod to improve cooling performance...

thanks!
Hello. I followed your discussion, I have a question in passing?

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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#16 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:08 pm

Gaspard77 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:07 am
Hello. I followed your discussion, I have a question in passing?
You mean you have a question about this?
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Lat D830 X9000 8gb 128gb WSXGA+ Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#17 Post by Greg Z » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:48 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:08 am
Jefferson wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:00 pm
i'm installing the windows but i noticed that the fan noise is loud and clicky. it sounds almost like an old hard drive. i installed SSD so it can only be the fan noise.

i knew T43 is known for loud fan noise. but does it tend to generate clicky noise? or is it just that my fan is too old and dying?

thanks!
If you are good at handiworks and want to save up a bit of cash you can try to open the fan up and lubricate the fan. You need to separate the aluminium bottom against the copper top via the 4 joints (be careful to minimise the deformation caused by the prying), and then you can pull the fan blade right out of the aluminium housing and dab 1-2 drops of oil in the hole where the axle plugs into, give it a thorough cleaning to the places inside the assembly that you weren't able to reach before, assemble it back up and all of your clicking noises and most of your sound issues will be gone.
My loyal T41's fan started to roar at starting the laptop. Two years ago a service center just replaced the copper plate and fan assembly with another one from a machine they were taking to pieces for spare parts. They handed me my computer and the assembly they replaced. I cannot tell whether they were too lazy or couldn't / wouldn't take my unit apart to clean or sincerely said that its bearing was worn out. I think I can see the housing is riveted. How do you recommend to disassemble it and after servicing to join the parts together again? FRU Fan Short 2R7860 (859 written above), on the reverse side it says Toshiba MCF-205AM05.

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Re: T43 fan noise clicky?

#18 Post by kfzhu1229 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:41 pm

Greg Z wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:48 pm
My loyal T41's fan started to roar at starting the laptop. Two years ago a service center just replaced the copper plate and fan assembly with another one from a machine they were taking to pieces for spare parts. They handed me my computer and the assembly they replaced. I cannot tell whether they were too lazy or couldn't / wouldn't take my unit apart to clean or sincerely said that its bearing was worn out. I think I can see the housing is riveted. How do you recommend to disassemble it and after servicing to join the parts together again? FRU Fan Short 2R7860 (859 written above), on the reverse side it says Toshiba MCF-205AM05.
The way I did so is after removing the fan:
I took a small flat head screwdriver, try plugging it in through all the places until you can insert it in. Then you turn it around to open up the gap a bit more to allow a bigger flat head screwdriver to insert. Once you can insert a big enough screwdriver, try slicing it towards the 4 clips, and then rotate the screwdriver to undo the welding. Once you undone all the 4 clips, the fan separates and then you can pull the fan blades straight out of the aluminium casing. Use this opportunity to do a thorough cleaning of the fan blades and the insides of the heatsink.
Dab a bit of oil in the axle hole, and then put the fan back in, rotate it back and fourth and lift it up and down to make full coverage of the oil.
Then you try to bend back the places that you have bent during the opening process, and assemble it back in. Use a prier to shut the joints together again. Replace the foil tape (most likely you cannot reuse it because of the age of the glue) and the heatsink assembly should work as good as new.
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Lat D830 X9000 8gb 128gb WSXGA+ Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
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