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Buying newer Thinkpad

#1 Post by rjsrjs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:05 pm

Happy New Year to all!

I currently own a Lenovo Thinkpad T430 which works really good,running Linux Mint 19.1. I'm looking to buy a second Lenovo Laptop. Are the newer Think pads (newer than the T430) a good choice or should I stick with the T430? I like the ease of upgrade ability(CPU, Memory, HDD/SSD, HDD drive caddy adapter, and mSATA) of the T430 and was wondering if newer Think pads upgrades as easily as the T430? What are your recommendations?
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Re: Buying newer Thinkpad

#2 Post by wrybread » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:37 pm

Have you tried the touchpad on the newer thinkpads? They're dealbreakers for me, really bad design in my opinion.

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#3 Post by dr_st » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:55 am

wrybread wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:37 pm
Have you tried the touchpad on the newer thinkpads? They're dealbreakers for me, really bad design in my opinion.
How much newer? I haven't owned anything in the 40-60 generation, but the TP25/X1C 5th gen touchpad (same generation as T470) is much better than the one on T430 and below.
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#4 Post by wrybread » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:25 pm

The ones I hate are the ones without physical buttons, where you just press on the touchpad. There's nothing wrong with that layout in theory and I love my Macbook's touchpad, but the execution on the Thinkpad is, in my opinion, terrible. An absolutely terrible copy of a Macbook in my opinion. But I guess it's possible that some people prefer it?

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#5 Post by dr_st » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:35 pm

wrybread wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:25 pm
The ones I hate are the ones without physical buttons, where you just press on the touchpad. There's nothing wrong with that layout in theory and I love my Macbook's touchpad, but the execution on the Thinkpad is, in my opinion, terrible.
Indeed no touchpad after *30 series has physical buttons, but my TP25 and X1C have such a pad and I think it's far from terrible - it's the best touchpad I've ever seen on a Thinkpad, by far.

The *40 series which did away with the trackpoint buttons as well - that was horrible, though.
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Re: Buying newer Thinkpad

#6 Post by wrybread » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:46 pm

Well that's interesting that some people like it. I absolutely can't stand the thing, but I fully love my T530 touchpad. The second best touchpad I've ever used, behind Macbooks.

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#7 Post by dr_st » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:24 pm

Can you explain why? Like be more specific?

The touchpad on recent Thinkpads is definitely closer to the Macbook touchpad than the one on the **30 series. And yet you love the Macbook touchpad, love the one on T530, yet hate the one which is sort of "in between". Why?
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Re: Buying newer Thinkpad

#8 Post by rjsrjs » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:01 pm

I don't use touch pads at all. I use a USB mouse which I am most efficient in my work. I was mostly looking for how easy/hard to upgrade newer models, mostly hardware, maybe BIOS.
Thanks for all quick replys.
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Re: Buying newer Thinkpad

#9 Post by TPFanatic » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:15 pm

I also prefer the T410/T420/T430 touchpad over either the **40 clunkpad or **50+ clickpad. The stickers track well, two finger scrolling works, and the buttons are reliable, altho I tend to use it with the trackpoint buttons more than the dedicated buttons. In my experience both the **40 and **50 clickpads are unreliable when clicking as the cursor tends to jump, the **50 clickpad also is too stiff to press comfortably. Thank IBM for the Trackpoint.

Note the new 15" and 17" but not 14" P-series have 3 buttons below the touchpad.
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