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16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#1 Post by Ibthink » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:21 pm

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leak-Leno ... 319.0.html

Might not be what most people are looking for around here, but it is noteworthy nonetheless I think.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#2 Post by amardeep » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:27 pm

Maybe they'll make a 14" 16:10 next year. You never know.

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#3 Post by cadillacmike68 » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:00 pm

Too small, no optical drive, probably doesn't even have an Ethernet port.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#4 Post by amardeep » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:46 am

To be honest, I'm not particularly upset about ports. One to dock to a monitor, which has a hub for keyboard, mouse etc, and one spare which would be rarely used, maybe handy to plug in a camera / phone / memory card occasionally is just about tolerable. Really don't care about an optical drive - is this a use-case that people really want ? If it's very occasional use to rip something, then an external one would do. I don't even use wired networking much, though I guess there is a stronger case that can be made for it than the optical drive. I don't think it's all bad as a super portable machine. For me, a slightly bigger screen would be good. It would be nice to have a headphone socket. Of course the old keyboard would be the icing on the cake, but I guess that's my strange request ! (It would make it fractionally thicker, but I wouldn't care).

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#5 Post by cadillacmike68 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:45 pm

Different folks have different requirements.

I ran wires so I would not have to connect wireless. And I use the optical drive to copy discs and install from them, and once in a while play a video. For me a wired Ethernet port and an optical drive are Required as is the capability for an additional storage device and preferably a docking connector.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#6 Post by Puppy » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:55 am

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#7 Post by Puppy » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:18 am

Ibthink wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:21 pm
Might not be what most people are looking for around here, but it is noteworthy nonetheless I think.
No, not yet. Replace the Intel crap with AMD and fix the broken keyboard layout (at least to be like HP Envy layout or optional FN-ed on cursor keys).
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#8 Post by exTPfan » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:16 pm

A 17 inch 16:10 screen is the same height as a 15 inch 4:3 screen (9 inches). If Lenovo produces a 2kg such laptop, it may finally be time to retire my T601 laptops.
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#9 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:29 pm

And because those eejits blow hot air on the right hand side, Lenovo Nano = LeNONO.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#10 Post by MikalE » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:27 am

I'll leave a wake-up call for 15.4". Until then I'm not interested.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#11 Post by pianowizard » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:27 am

exTPfan wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:16 pm
A 17 inch 16:10 screen is the same height as a 15 inch 4:3 screen (9 inches). If Lenovo produces a 2kg such laptop, it may finally be time to retire my T601 laptops.
Yep, that's why the 1.35 kg (2.98 lb) LG Gram 17 series with 17" 2560x1600 remains the most interesting laptop IMO, especially the new model that came out just a couple months ago:

https://www.lg.com/us/laptops/lg-17z90n ... lim-laptop
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#12 Post by bgx » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:02 pm

16:10 is a great news, but why on earth would they do only 2 usb C ports??

full size hdmi is a must, at least 1 usb A is a must, mini jack is must!

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#13 Post by amardeep » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:04 pm

With Thunderbolt you get DisplayPort so you can connect to any modern monitor, and there seem to be lots of cheap Thunderbolt to HDMI cables if you really want to connect to HDMI (please correct me if I'm wrong in this, I get all this stuff mixed up sometimes, but I think this is right ?). So maybe tolerable, even though they've gone minimal on the number and type of ports ?

If not I guess you've got to go up the scale of X1C / T14s / T14 until you find a machine that gives you what you want. In my opinion there are too many, undifferentiated Thinkpads, you could probably cull 50% of the range without harm !

Anyway, I think there'll be a headphone / audio jack, the leaked slide says "2 x Thunderbolt4 USB-C | Audio Jack".

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#15 Post by bgx » Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:17 am

thanks for the news.

IT looks good, if only it didnt have only 2 USB C. I know you can do everything with adaptors, but I really think it hurts usability. Also, remember the X300 commercial vs the macbook air and all the adaptors?

Also, i really dont think adding 4 or 5 ports hurts the design much, if at all.
I only hope it is quite successful to make lenovo understands people who do dont want 16:9.

Interestingly, X1 Titanium (Yoga) is leaked too (it was the next video on youtube). But it looks exactly like my X1 Yoga (in particular, on the render, it seems to be still 16:9. But the render can be wrong). Also, they use magnetic pen and no more docked? Weird idea. I prefer real pen to the docked one, but I am really happy to have my docks pen handy whenever I need it. Oh, and also the nonsensical 2 usbC port and nothing else. What would be the point of a grey thinkpad with the same design but less ports than a X1 Yoga?? I really believe the render is wrong on several front, at least for the titanium (the X1 Nano seems more legit).

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#16 Post by fatpolomanjr » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:03 pm

The usb-c mini dock solves the port issues for me when plugged/charging. I believe the Tiger Lake cpu options for the X1 Nano will be 15W? So the power draw on the X1 Nano should be less than the 45W that the mini dock can provide. By comparison, the T14s with 4750u amd processor (15W tdp) only draws ~40W max under load.

Having all of charging, ethernet, and whatever usb peripherals connect with a single usb-c port is very elegant and clean. However, on the go it is a shame for such a sleek, portable laptop to have to carry adapters around if you want the same level of connectivity.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#17 Post by w0qj » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:52 am

I love it when folks take away a feature, the excuse was to "save costs".

Then they add this New Feature 16:10 screen back in, as a Premium Feature with premium price?

At least 16:10 or similar screen displays might be coming back now;
there's a whole generation of (newer) computer users arguing that there's "very" little difference between 16:9 vs 16:10 without ever working with one.

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#18 Post by Ibthink » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:41 pm

w0qj wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:52 am
And our T410 with 16:10 ratio screen is still in daily use!
Fun fact: X1 Titanium with 13.5 inch 3:2 will offer the same screen height as your T410: http://www.displaywars.com/13,5-inch-3x ... inch-16x10
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#19 Post by dr_st » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:21 pm

w0qj wrote:
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there's a whole generation of (newer) computer users arguing that there's "very" little difference between 16:9 vs 16:10 without ever working with one.
I have worked and still work with both on a daily basis and I say the difference is not so significant. The difference between 4:3 and 16:10 is bigger. Never understood the whine about 16:9.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#20 Post by Ibthink » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:45 pm

dr_st wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:21 pm
I have worked and still work with both on a daily basis and I say the difference is not so significant. The difference between 4:3 and 16:10 is bigger. Never understood the whine about 16:9.
In general I agree - if you can live with 16:10, you can live with 16:9. I would say there are two valid complaints though:

1. Inefficiency: 16:9 is not well suited for a modern laptop format, because if you have a spacious touchpad and a keyboard with more than 5 rows, you almost always end up with huge screen bezels especially below the screen on 14 inch and smaller. And 15.6 inch devices end up much wider than they have to be for a full-size keyboard without numpad.

2. Small devices: While it works fine on 13.3 inch upwards, I think for smaller laptops, 16:9 is just too limited in physical screen height.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#21 Post by exTPfan » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:12 am

If you can live with 16:10, you can live with 16:9; if you can live with 16:9, you can live... How about 16:1?

Actually, I'd just about decided I could live with 16:10, when they went to 16:9, so I stocked up with Frankenpads.

Is the X1 Titanium 3:2? That would be very interesting.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#22 Post by Ibthink » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:21 am

exTPfan wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:12 am
If you can live with 16:10, you can live with 16:9; if you can live with 16:9, you can live... How about 16:1?
Ha, yeah, you are right. I guess I should have said "if you like 16:10, you can probably live with 16:9". If you can only barely live with 16:10, then 16:9 might not be acceptable.
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Is the X1 Titanium 3:2? That would be very interesting.
Yes - it will have a 13.5 inch 3:2 panel with 450 nits brightness & 2K resolution.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#23 Post by TPFanatic » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:09 am

I agree that 16:10 and 16:9 are close enough aspect ratios. So what really matters to me between them are resolution and quality. However, a laptop is a sum of many different metrics including performance, portability, and aesthetics. In Q2 2018 I changed from WUXGA T500 to FHD and 7 row T430, accepting the minor resolution downgrade in favor of better screen quality, performance, portability, and sexier design. Going back into screen metrics exclusively (physical dimensions notwithstanding), the only compromise from the T500's 1200 rows was resolved when I next built QHD T430s with the RMSMajestic adapter with a whopping 1440 rows. :eek: At present I use a QHD T420 after my T430s's Nvidia gfx failed. :(

With the QHD resolution I can fit four 1280x700 windows in each corner of the screen, or two 1280x1400 windows in both halves of the screen, or two 1280x700 in one half and one 1280x1400 in the other half, with no overlap between the windows.

I feel like if my unit had a WQXGA resolution with an extra 160 rows, the extra 11% of vertical scaling in each of my little windows (about 77 pixels or two Windows taskbars) is really of negligible to no boost in productivity. 2560x1440 does the job just fine.

OTOH upgrading to 4K (3840x2160) would yield me the ability to stack three 1280x707 windows atop each other or three side by side through manual placement. Unfortunately I will never daily get a 4K unit unless it's somehow modded into the T43/20/s or I can budget the T480/T25 FrankenPad. So don't think for a second that any major laptop manufacturer cares about the opinions of a bottom feeder like me.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#24 Post by bgx » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:53 am

Ibthink wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:21 am
exTPfan wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:12 am
If you can live with 16:10, you can live with 16:9; if you can live with 16:9, you can live... How about 16:1?
Ha, yeah, you are right. I guess I should have said "if you like 16:10, you can probably live with 16:9". If you can only barely live with 16:10, then 16:9 might not be acceptable.
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Is the X1 Titanium 3:2? That would be very interesting.
Yes - it will have a 13.5 inch 3:2 panel with 450 nits brightness & 2K resolution.
thanks for the info.
I guess we will get the news tommorow during the thinkpad X1 presentation, but what about the ports? Is X1 titanium stupidly limited as the X1 nano?
The X1 titanium seems so attractive wit the 3:2 panel!

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#25 Post by fatpolomanjr » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:03 am

TPFanatic wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:09 am
However, a laptop is a sum of many different metrics including performance, portability, and aesthetics.
This is what I've learned while playing around with 16:9 15" and 17" gaming laptops, and a 34" 1440p ultrawide gaming monitor. I've found I can tolerate 16:9 1080p on 14" or larger (1200 or 1440 vertical pixels minimum on 17" or larger), but for 10"-13" displays I require taller aspect ratios like 4:3, 3:2 or 16:10. Physically, 12.1" SXGA+ is vertically similar to 13" WUXGA and 14" FHD.

OTOH upgrading to 4K (3840x2160) would yield me the ability to stack three 1280x707 windows atop each other or three side by side through manual placement.

Native 4K would kill me on a 14" laptop. o_O
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#26 Post by dr_st » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:09 am

fatpolomanjr wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:03 am
Native 4K would kill me on a 14" laptop. o_O
You can probably just run it at 200% DPI and it should be just like native FHD, but sharper.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#27 Post by Ibthink » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:15 am

The ThinkPad X1 Nano has now been officially unveiled: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Th ... 119.0.html
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#28 Post by fatpolomanjr » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:17 am

dr_st wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:09 am
You can probably just run it at 200% DPI and it should be just like native FHD, but sharper.
Right, but then you lose "the ability to stack three 1280x707 windows atop each other or three side by side through manual placement." I'm just saying that my eyes would bleed with 4K in a 14" and 100% dpi scaling for the sake of stacking more windows.
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The ThinkPad X1 Nano has now been officially unveiled: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Th ... 119.0.html
Sigh, "up to 16GB ram". Why this limitation, when the xps 13 supports up to 32gb? It's still a winner by comparison due to trackpoint and keyboard. I'm just concerned when 16gb no longer cuts it in the way my X62 needed an upgrade from 8gb to 16gb. Yet with soldered ram upgrading memory won't be an option.
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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#29 Post by bgx » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:26 am

Just listened to the X1 days videocast.

Disapointed to not hear about the titanium.

X1 fold: nice engineering, but no thank you. The keyboard is a nice thought though.
X1 nano: best in class connectivity....well, have you looked at your other products?

So i am still waiting!

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Re: 16:10 returns to ThinkPads: The X1 Nano

#30 Post by Puppy » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:34 pm

Still broken keyboard layout and no AMD Ryzen option. But it is a good start to get rid of the 16:9 idiocy.
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