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What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#1 Post by babysheegoth » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:36 am

Curious what other's plans are after support officially ends or if some are already happy with non-windows OS.

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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#2 Post by TPFanatic » Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:03 pm

I’ll run Linux mint or live dangerous with out-of-date Windows, probably the latter.

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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#3 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:58 pm

I'm still running W7 on my daily used T440p.
No updates since 2018, still going strong!
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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#4 Post by ZaZ » Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:08 pm

I haven't decided yet. I still use WIndows 10 on my main desktop and prefer to use Windows on my desktop for a few programs I use. I bought the desktop in 2020 and when Windows 11 came out I tried to upgrade to Windows 11 after a fresh install of Windows 10. It ran so poorly I had to go back to Windows 10. I tried a couple more time with the same results, so I figured Windows 11 wasn't in my future, but then I bought my L14. It came with Windows 11 Pro, so I figured I could downgrade if needed, but I did a fresh install of Windows 11 and it runs great, so I wonder if I do a fresh install on my desktop as opposed to an in-place upgrade, will it run better? When the time comes I'll do a fresh install. if it works, great, but if not I can always live with Windows 10.
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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#5 Post by mikemex » Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:37 am

Windows 11. Is there even a realistic alternative?
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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#6 Post by axur-delmeria » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:02 am

Win 10 LTSC?
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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#7 Post by 600X » Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:15 am

I only use Windows on my gaming desktops and those have been running Windows 11 since it was available.

I don't really use laptops anymore but when I do, I just install whatever Linux distro I feel like trying at the time. Windows on laptops hasn't been viable for me since the disaster that was Windows 10.
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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#8 Post by babysheegoth » Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:59 pm

mikemex wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:37 am
Windows 11. Is there even a realistic alternative?
Thought it wasn't compatible?

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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#9 Post by dr_st » Sun Jul 14, 2024 2:14 pm

Because of LTSC, Windows 10 will remain de-facto supported for a long time after support officially ends. Until 2029, maybe 2032 in some flavors.

So it will still be a perfectly viable OS for contemporary machines. New systems can use Win11.

If you want something else (Linux, Unix, BSD, etc.) - that's a separate question - which, IMO, should be decided, regardless of the state of 'support'.
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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#10 Post by Crumbs » Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:40 pm

Unless you do not go online I wouldn't run a OS post-security updates, re Windows 7 comment above. You are just asking to be pwnd, and you won't necessarily even know it because who has time to track all the CVNs and their implications.

I've seen references in different forums to windows 11 running on T420 and newer hardware even when they are not officially compatible. It may run on older hardware I wasn't searching for. I suspect it doesn't run great.

Re linux. I've run linux on almost every thinkpad I've owned, except the Z60m. Everyone has their favorites and selecting a distribution gets into the politics of whether you want to flatpak, etc or not. As well as if you care about country of origin for the foundation that mostly runs the project. Then you have to ask what kind of GUI you want. For older hardware focus on lightweight like X derivatives LXCE, XFCE variants, though a T60/T61 will run Mint Cinnamon just fine if you accept it is slower. I haven't tried on the ancient T770 in a long time and I'd just choose an X derivative to avoid the frustration.
  • If you want to go deep on documentation and like having control NixOS or Gentoo. I would not recommend for a Linux noob.
  • If you want to run a liveCD and have a friendly graphical installer look at distros like:
    • smaller: AntiX and MXLinux
    • larger: Debian (stable older), Mint (stable some newer but also some Ubuntu software politics), Ubuntu
Response biased by my experience so no Arch, Redhat/CentOS/Oracle, Suse etc recommendations. If you want to deep-dive options check out distrowatch.com to learn about the wide variety of linux distros you can run. Select a liveCD, give it enough time to fully boot and take an OS for a spin.
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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#11 Post by mikemex » Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:14 pm

babysheegoth wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:59 pm
mikemex wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:37 am
Windows 11. Is there even a realistic alternative?
Thought it wasn't compatible?
Compatible with what? If you're talking about machines like T420 and such, those are already over 10 years old and are not supported officially by even Windows 10. So anyone running a T420 with Windows 10 was running a hacked OS... ten years go! That's why I decided to give away my old stuff (even my beloved X1C5, which now belongs to my sister running a hacked version of W11): it's not realistic to expect to keep running a laptop forever.

The only old machine I'm going to keep is my X301 because 1) I love it and 2) It's way past EOL for anyone to fully appreciate it but me. One of this days I'm going to install FreeDOS, Windows XP and all the stuff you can't run on a modern machine.
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Re: What OS to use once Win 10 support ends?

#12 Post by farmall » Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:19 pm

There are well -studied and understood safe methods for running W10 LTSC and W11 on hardware their "planned obsolescence" hardware check otherwise rejects.
CPU and TPM checks can be bypassed. Note you own the hardware and lawfully use the OS if you paid for it through proper channels.

Microsoft even publishes the info on its own fora as the idea caught so much customer blowback (like by people with very recent fast PCs!). BTW changing a registry setting isn't really a "hack" that's just popular usage that stuck. If a registry setting were never to be altered there would be zero point in offering that user option in the first place.

Safe activation methods exist whose commands are simply and easily understood by opening batch files in your preferred text editor. Some are detected by AV as false positives which is common. Those interested will study the matter. I've not time to type the internet.
Overview:
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/byp ... equirement

Comparing W10 versions by EOL is interesting. Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 (version 21H2) does not have extended support and support will end on 12 January 2027. Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (version 21H2), on the other hand, will receive extended support until 13 January 2032.

Rufus is outstanding for making install media including Linux which has many devs and users who are Thinkpad enthusiasts.
I normally run Xubuntu and W10 on my T61s but Mint is popular these days and a safe choice.

Owners with Ultrabay caddies can of course boot from more than one hdd to sample a variety of OS. (I remove the main hdd when installing to another drive to protect my boot records.)
Those not sure if an OS will suit their desires can install to a cheap small SSD (there being no point crippling a perfectly good Thinkpad with power hungry spinning rust) . If you use a version of Rufus that makes Windows To Go install media you can swap even more reliably between PCs or boot from a USB adapter.

I've also live booted Strelec's WinPE (Major Geeks is a safe site), Kali Linux, Bob's OMB WinPE build and various other toolkit builds. If you for some reason (like not wanting writeable media when inspecting a hard disk for nasties) prefer to boot a live CD or DVD T61s reliably do so
but I recommend burning at the slowest speed possible for best burn. I like the old CDRWIN trial since it's limited to 1x anyway. I've burned live CDs since 1999 and slow burns function best.

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