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STS06 · #31 Post by **STS06** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:25 am

Maybe...

For consumer use, yes, I agree, widescreen will be the norm.

But remember that unlike Toshiba and HP and etc. (dell is trickling in a bit more), IBM sells loads of computer to buisness people AND companies. We have them where I work (engineering company)...and trust me, the last thing people want is a 17"inch widescreen to lug around to meetings and from home and back.

Unless there's a widescreen with the same footprint as a 15" noteook, something like that can happen, there'll be nich for Thinkpads for quite a while. Most people here, who have them for home use, I don't are the avg. TP consumers.

rajm · #32 Post by **rajm** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:16 am

Any more info on this? When will it be released?

#33 Post by **K. Eng** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:42 pm

I think the release is sometime this month, but I'm not sure.

#34 Post by **JaneL** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:49 pm

K. Eng wrote:I think the release is sometime this month, but I'm not sure.

End of the month is what I was told. Also, 80% available as black, 20% as silver.

skystorm · #35 Post by **skystorm** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:35 pm

K. Eng wrote:I think the release is sometime this month, but I'm not sure.

Apparently they are already being sold, just stumbled upon this blog entry: Link
It's from an exchange student in Hongkong...

pphilipko · #36 Post by **pphilipko** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:42 pm

Indeed, they ARE being sold both in Hong Kong and Taiwan right now. Interestingly enough, now that Lenovo has taken over, it seems new thinkpads appear first in Asia...then to the US. Before the exchange, it was vice versa...

#37 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:08 pm

Well, these things are being churned out by an Asian company so I don't see any nonsense in new models hitting Asia first though it is a subtle blow to the pride of some I suppose. I don't see it as too much of a deal though since I couldn't afford a new one either way or anyway.

Still, considering anything, I wouldn't make any real assumptions on the mareting trends yet as the only new laptops I've seen released since the merger is the X41t, T43 and supposedly the Z. I'm not sure about the x41t but I am pretty sure we got the T43 first, or at least according to the websites at the given times.

Morelia · #38 Post by **Morelia** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:10 pm

The X41T has been available in Asia for the past 18 months - well before the Lenovo acquisition ever occured, just without the X41T association (it still had the IBM logo). The same manufacturing lines used for the past 4.5 years, are the same ones being used today. I have played with both Z series models several months ago (T and M) - official announcement is scheduled for Sept. 20th.

#39 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:18 pm

Hmm, with that said, It's still not important who gets what first but it goes over my head how Asia can have the product that much earlier than us (18 months with the X41T you say?) and the technology press here can't do so much as get a lead on it until a month or less before the unveiling.

pphilipko · #40 Post by **pphilipko** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:21 pm

Interestingly enough, I heard from several sources in both Taiwan and Hong Kong that the X series thinkpads will almost always be released in Asia first, whereas the T series will most likely be released both in Asia and North America at the same time. I can't confirm this, but apparently, it seems to be true...

pphilipko · #41 Post by **pphilipko** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:22 pm

Morelia wrote:The X41T has been available in Asia for the past 18 months - well before the Lenovo acquisition ever occured, just without the X41T association (it still had the IBM logo). The same manufacturing lines used for the past 4.5 years, are the same ones being used today. I have played with both Z series models several months ago (T and M) - official announcement is scheduled for Sept. 20th.

Please state your location. Thank you for your cooperation.

Morelia · #42 Post by **Morelia** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:01 pm

I am in Arizona.

Navck · #43 Post by **Navck** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:56 am

Woah, its not ROUNDED!
Yes!!!!!! Its a Thinkpad

Blake · #44 Post by **Blake** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:01 pm

i love my x31,

but i would love to see a widescreen 12 inch version....

widescreens have a place in my heart but ibm is the only pc laptop i would buy

beq · #45 Post by **beq** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:29 pm

BTW, I thought they'd made a big deal before about how Lenovo is technically a brand new international company now headquartered somewhere in the US (but not in the same state where IBM is)? Is that all just FUD?

Morelia · #46 Post by **Morelia** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:03 pm

Lenovo Inc. moved it's headquarters to Purchase, New York, while IBM's headquarters remain in Armonk, New York.

HamTard · #47 Post by **HamTard** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:18 pm

so when does the Z series forum appear? Sept. 20th?

#48 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:41 pm

You know, I was skeptical at first fo the Z but I eventually got that mentality as well, Lenovo is just keeping with the market.

Tat and the Z actually does look like a nice laptop. I couldn't care less about the widescreen but the newly designed speaker system, the magnesium case design, the overall engineering is rather nice. I'd hate to say it but this thing looks as though it could hold one against the T series but I suppose we'll have to wait until the official release of the Z to know for sure.

beq · #49 Post by **beq** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:22 am

But the thing that I keep in mind is that the Z is in a very different (bigger) formfactor class than the T, so for now it's not for me...

1.6" thick, and look how big it is...

Heck, even the 15" T is already too big IMHO (we've stuck with the 14.1")...

Morelia · #50 Post by **Morelia** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:00 pm

beq wrote:But the thing that I keep in mind is that the Z is in a very different (bigger) formfactor class than the T, so for now it's not for me...

1.6" thick, and look how big it is...

Heck, even the 15" T is already too big IMHO (we've stuck with the 14.1")...

You must be looking at the Z60M, because the Z60T is thinner, and lighter than the T43 series..... The Z60T is 1.1" thick, and total weight of 4.5lbs. The T43 with a 14" screen is 5.2 lbs.

beq · #51 Post by **beq** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:08 pm

Morelia wrote:You must be looking at the Z60M, because the Z60T is thinner, and lighter than the T43 series..... The Z60T is 1.1" thick, and total weight of 4.5lbs. The T43 with a 14" screen is 5.2 lbs.

Ohh thanks for the info Morelia! I've been wondering about this because I did see that the Z60t is listed at only 4.5 lbs which seems comparable to the 14.1" T series. Yet I thought I had read elsewhere that the Z series is like 1.6" thick, thanks for the correction.

But the other specs for the Z series had almost seemed to suggest to me that this line is a bigger desktop replacement category than the thin-and-light T series? For example, the marketing literature says things like how the Z series uses the 12.5mm (or 12.7mm I forget) Ultrabay Enhanced bay as opposed to the 9.5mm Ultrabay Slim bay in the T series, which is very puzzling.

And I see how much space there is to the left and right of the keyboard in the Z series, and the whole thing just looks bigger than the 14.1" T series...

#52 Post by **K. Eng** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:00 pm

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2534

Worth noting, a new magnesium chassis will be included in the Z-series called a "Formula One" type build that gives the ThinkPad Z 30% better protection than the T-series. A better more spill proof keyboard is also being used and it has the Windows key and more built-in multimedia functions than in the past.

There are some official presentation slides to look at. It seems that the Z series will be a well built machine if all of this is true. I'm glad to see that Lenovo is taking the initiative in making a consumer oriented machine high quality.

Morelia · #53 Post by **Morelia** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:39 pm

The Z60T uses the Ultrabay Slim (9.5mm) drives, whereas the Z60M uses the Ultrabay Enhanced (12.7mm) drives. the exra "space" that you see on both sides of the keyboard are the speakers.

beq · #54 Post by **beq** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:51 pm

Hehe thanks for the clarification again, it's appreciated (though I knew about the speakers, was just commenting on how "wide" the whole chassis looked, thus giving an impression of being somewhat large).

Hmm, so the Z60t and Z60m are completely different beasts that don't even share the same accessory components (ex. Ultrabay accessories). I wonder why they're even placed in the same series...

Morelia · #55 Post by **Morelia** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:48 pm

The Z series will also require different docking solutions, compared to the current lineup (T and R series). The will be a new port rep, mini dock, and full dock announced with the Z60 announcement Sept 20th.

rajm · #56 Post by **rajm** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:58 pm

Will it have S-Video in, or any other means of inputting video besides firewire? It would be good to not have to use a tv tuner card.

doppelfish · #57 Post by **doppelfish** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:48 am

Now, these haven't been posted before: click! and click!
Less of the industrial-espionage quality and more detail.
What's that, er, thingy on the lower right side of the display? The article doesn't explain ...

cheers,
-- fish

Morelia · #58 Post by **Morelia** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:09 pm

That is a WWAN connection, that is on the EvDO network (through Verizon).

rajm · #59 Post by **rajm** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:11 pm

lol, those pics are in the links in the "official z series pictures" thread. I believe the slot on the right is for the EV-DO wireless.

bhtooefr · #60 Post by **bhtooefr** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:44 pm

*sigh*

For those of you are wondering who designed the thing, it's Lenovo all the way.

Go here (Lenovo's "look at what we sell in Asia, but you don't get

" thingy), click on Notebooks, and look at the Y200.

Then, go back to a Z60 shot.

Notice the similarities? The Z60 is a modified Y200.

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