The longer the hibernation/standby the longer waking up

[krma-thkpds]

If I hibernate/standby my t43p and wake it up in short time everything goes 0.k. But if I leave my machine hibernated/in stand by for several hours (during the night) and then try to wake it up it takes ages.

I know there have been other links about that but I couldn't find any solution to the problem.

The powering from hibernate after such time takes that long that shutting down the machine and then starting it in the morning seems more convenient solution. By why the heck is there the hibernation/standby function then?

[kaplanfx]

When you hibernate the entire content of the memory is written to the hard disk in a file so the same state can be returned when the machine is resumed. Its good becuase if you have a few webpages open, a word doc, an excel sheet, a database, a few windows explorers open, maybe an email client, a game of solitare, etc... you can resume with all that stuff going on. To me its worth it as long as the laptop resumes in less time than it takes to boot up completely then open all the programs and documents and get back to the stage I was in before I left.

[Merlyn_3D]

When you hibernate the entire content of the memory is written to the hard disk in a file so the same state can be returned when the machine is resumed. Its good becuase if you have a few webpages open, a word doc, an excel sheet, a database, a few windows explorers open, maybe an email client, a game of solitare, etc... you can resume with all that stuff going on. To me its worth it as long as the laptop resumes in less time than it takes to boot up completely then open all the programs and documents and get back to the stage I was in before I left.

Did you even read the original post? I'm having the same issue too, where sometimes the computer resume and that little scrollbar will get all the way across the screen and then it freezes for a minute or two, and then it shows windows and my desktop. If hibernation is going to needlessly take this long, what's the point?

[jd2020]

I am also having this problem with my T43. Recovering from hibernation takes about 3 minutes. The status bar fills across the blank screen, usually fairly quickly, then there is a lengthy pause before Windows desktop appears. I have been suffering through this for 3 months. This weekend I was working with my father's T41 and new X40. Both of these restore from the hibernation state in about 1 minute. Started them at the same time and they were fairly close.

Then when the fingerprint software shows up, it is VERY SLOW to respond. Sometimes it accepts the first pass, sometimes it takes several tries, but then there is yet another pause while the fingerprint is accepted or rejected. A T42 I've used was again much speedier.

I have a 5400 40GB HD and 1GB of memory, but the recovery from hibernation is as long as when I had 512MB. Odd that the slower machines would perform better in this situation.

Once the machine is up & running it is quite speedy.

[krma-thkpds]

So I left my t43p over night in hibernation and it took me almoast 2 minutes to resume. I'm facing the same problems with the fingerprint reader as you guys.

Is there anyone here on the forum who knows the solutions to the problem?

[emorphien]

I have not noticed any problems with this. I have 2gb of RAM and it resumes from hibernate pretty quickly each time. Coming back from sleep is near instantaneous, much like my 4 year old Dell is.

[krma-thkpds]

Well, I have t43p with 2,13GHz processor and 1GB of ram. As I said my machine resumes simultaneous from hibernation and standby if it's for short time. But if I leave it for several hours it' totally different story.

[nrj45]

I have the same problem. I seldom use the hibernation but i always use standby. And i also noticed that when i let my t43p during 1 minute or 1 night in standby, the resume time would be different (same constatation)

[krma-thkpds]

All of us have this problem except the guys with lots of RAM. Emorphien has 2GB of it and kaplanfx 1,5GB. Maybe there is a connection. Anyone knows if this happens on older machines t4x?

[jimj]

Yes, looks like it does happen on older machines too. I have the same problem on my T43 and T30. I have only 512MB ram on both machines though.

I always thought that it was due to some process that I had. I am surprised to find that others have this issue too. I wonder if the hibernation restore process does something different based on how long the machine has been in hibernation.

[Kenn]

Everyone -

What programs are active when you hibernate/standby your computers? If you have IE/Firefox running with flash animations on (including flash banner ads) when you standby, then it somehow takes proportionally longer to start back up.

I doubt this is happening to everyone, but hopefully it solves the problem for some.

[krma-thkpds]

I don't use FireFox and resume takes as long even if I'm not running any programs (except those preinstalled by IBM, CHC and Microsoft Antispyware). But these couldn't be the cause for the problem, because if so, there would be many more suffering from long resume effect.

Do you think the larger amount of RAM would speed the resume process up?

[Kenn]

I don't use FireFox and resume takes as long even if I'm not running any programs (except those preinstalled by IBM, CHC and Microsoft Antispyware). But these couldn't be the cause for the problem, because if so, there would be many more suffering from long resume effect.

Do you think the larger amount of RAM would speed the resume process up?

I run only some of the IBM programs (the HD anti-shock applet, Access Connections, Power Manager), CHC, and MS Antispyware as well, and don't have those problems, so you're probably right in saying these things probably aren't the problem.

Generally, more RAM will INCREASE the resume time, especially for hibernation. I used to have 512MB, and used suspend/resume all the time. Waking from hibernation got twice as slow (no surprise) when I upgraded to 1GB.

If it's not the Firefox flash issue, the only thing I can think of is low HD space or defragmentation, which I'm sure you've looked at. Try searching for Sysinternal's PageDefrag tool, which will defrag your registry hives and hibernation file as well.

[Kenn]

I just remembered something else, which may help you track down exactly what is slowing the system down:

Download Microsoft Bootvis (google it). Install it, and run a trace of "Next Standby and Resume" as well as "Next Hibernate and Resume." It will tell you exactly what processes run when, and how long they are taking to wake up.

At this point, I still haven't ruled out some manifestation of the Wifi's Wireless Zero Config, which should show up under Bootvis' "Driver Delays" as "Network Delay."

Good luck.[/i]

[grimmster]

My t30 with 512mb takes about 1:30 - 2 minutes to resume from hibernate, and that is with a lot of programs still left up, but I always close out browsers.

[Kenn]

My t30 with 512mb takes about 1:30 - 2 minutes to resume from hibernate, and that is with a lot of programs still left up, but I always close out browsers.

Hmm, the timings involved make this sound like thte WZC issue. To those with this problem - try the bootvis analysis, or do this test: hit Fn-F5, turn off the wireless card, and then hibernate/standby and resume. Does it still take as long?

[krma-thkpds]

I'm not actually using wireless at home, because I have wired LAN here. Downloaded Bootvis today and will test it overnight.

[dvorak]

No searching, people? :)

I've made and we've discussed the same topics in various threads, after months of figuring it out, and now just common knowledge to me, I can say that Firefox AND Flash produce stand-by lag, and Sygate's firewall. Fx+Flash was also confirmed by others.

Although now I'm again puzzled, just now it took about 30secs to come out of standby, no flash applets active in Firefox nor do I have the Sygate's firewall.
But I'm still 90% sure it's caused by Firefox, hence I'm for one am starting to recommend Opera instead of Firefox to others :)

With Internet Explorer Flash doesn't cause any lag. I'm suspecting perhaps when you open ONE flash applet with Fx, you're whole session is screwed (until closing of the browser), as I'm using Flashblock I seldom open them, but this time I DID once... I think :)

Edit: Oh yeah, and what I know -- it's not related to WZC, especially because I don't have my WNIC even enabled in Network Connections.

[krma-thkpds]

I've made and we've discussed the same topics in various threads, after months of figuring it out, and now just common knowledge to me, I can say that Firefox AND Flash produce stand-by lag, and Sygate's firewall. Fx+Flash was also confirmed by others.

I don't use any of these programs.



Ok, I made a test overnight with Microsoft Bootvis and here are the results. I'm not common with all this things shown here, but some of you should know what it means and try to help.

The computer was in standby for 10 hours.

bios wake time 3,73s
device init time 83,25s
apps init time <0,01s
total resume time 88,31s

and there is a list of drivers which shows times od durations;

ACPI.sys 66,11s
usbuhci.sys 6,08s
usbuhci.sys 6,14s
usbuhci.sys 5,95s
usbuhci.sys 6,17s
usbuhci.sys 6,08s
ati2mtag.sys 5,69s
usbhub.sys 4,98s
usbhub.sys 4,98s
usbhub.sys 4,98s
usbhub.sys 4,98s
usbhub.sys 2,88s
tcusb.sys 0,26s
hidusb.sys 0,88s

[dvorak]

Well, not to bust your bubbles, but MS Bootvis is a rather useless tool in my eyes to pinpoint the problem.
An easier way would be to put an application CPU usage program to log, Process Explorer with its CPU usage graph seems to do fine also.
FYI acpi.sys IS the one listed taking the most time, that's just how Windows works, so if it's either Firefox or something else causing this lag, acpi.sys takes the blame.

A better way for you to post results is list your Task Manager's info, every process' name.

And what DO you use, Opera, Outlook?

[fbrdphreak]

I have also been having this problem lately....weirdness

I had it in standby overnight, tried to resume it this morning and it took quite a while. I just re-suspended it and it came back like normal

And as I think about it, this probably started about when I started using Firefox

I will play around with a few ideas tonight and post with what I find tomorrow

[dvorak]

Yeah, the time it takes to come out increases linearly with the time spent in standby mode.

I suggest you check this scenario out, open a few pages with NO flash,pure html with images/css, standby this way should not be longer than normal, then browse to your favorite multimedia site with plenty of flash ads or a flash video (for me a few pages of theinquirer.net was enough actually), now it should take a minute+ to come out.

I've got to test this myself too, if opening flash screws it up until the close of Firefox, or not, as I stated before also.

[krma-thkpds]

I don't use Opera nor Outlook. What are you suggesting? That this is the way Windows work? Why don't all have such problems then?

I don't use FireFox and resume takes as long even if I'm not running any programs (except those preinstalled by IBM, CHC and Microsoft Antispyware). But these couldn't be the cause for the problem, because if so, there would be many more suffering from long resume effect.

[dvorak]

The first step in troubleshooting is finding what it is, it's not a Windows fault by default, hence the best way is to compare what every one is running, and to find what we have in common.

Any monitoring software you've got people?

It would be easier if you'd just give a list, it'll take a long time if I've got to ask everything.

[krma-thkpds]

Is there any way to make a log of process list. Or do I really ahve to manually write them down one by one?

[dvorak]

Is there any way to make a log of process list. Or do I really ahve to manually write them down one by one?

"Start > Run > cmd > tasklist > right click > mark (select the output)l > right click" and the content is in your clipboard.
And if you wish to check what services are using what files, "tasklist /svc" for that.

[kaplanfx]

ok, I occasionally experiance this problem, so here is esentially what I run:

access connections
intel pro set for wired and wireless
battery maximizer
Centrino Hardware Control
avg antivirus
aol IM
firefox
itunes
windows media player
quicken

Thats esentially the applications I typically have running when I sleep/hibernate If I think of any others I will update (im at work now and not on my thinkpad) also sometimes I run snood but im pretty sure that has nothing to do with it.

[krma-thkpds]

Image Name PID Session Name Session# Mem Usage
========================= ====== ================ ======== ============
System Idle Process 0 Console 0 28 K
System 4 Console 0 236 K
smss.exe 1232 Console 0 392 K
csrss.exe 1308 Console 0 5.072 K
winlogon.exe 1332 Console 0 8.872 K
services.exe 1376 Console 0 5.812 K
lsass.exe 1388 Console 0 2.076 K
vtserver.exe 1564 Console 0 5.280 K
ibmpmsvc.exe 1584 Console 0 1.160 K
ati2evxx.exe 1608 Console 0 2.448 K
svchost.exe 1620 Console 0 5.124 K
svchost.exe 1700 Console 0 4.436 K
svchost.exe 1816 Console 0 29.956 K
EvtEng.exe 1864 Console 0 7.528 K
S24EvMon.exe 2008 Console 0 4.168 K
svchost.exe 244 Console 0 3.380 K
svchost.exe 312 Console 0 4.976 K
CCSETMGR.EXE 720 Console 0 4.300 K
SNDSrvc.exe 732 Console 0 2.540 K
SPBBCSvc.exe 756 Console 0 2.044 K
CCEVTMGR.EXE 816 Console 0 3.040 K
spoolsv.exe 1032 Console 0 6.312 K
btwdins.exe 1776 Console 0 2.824 K
rrpcsb.exe 1844 Console 0 4.208 K
NAVAPSVC.EXE 1880 Console 0 6.580 K
NPFMNTOR.EXE 1976 Console 0 3.496 K
QCONSVC.EXE 852 Console 0 2.692 K
RegSrvc.exe 872 Console 0 2.356 K
SMAgent.exe 1156 Console 0 1.588 K
TPHDEXLG.exe 1224 Console 0 1.572 K
TpKmpSvc.exe 1276 Console 0 1.016 K
wdfmgr.exe 632 Console 0 1.648 K
uphclean.exe 692 Console 0 1.344 K
ati2evxx.exe 2404 Console 0 2.744 K
explorer.exe 2672 Console 0 35.824 K
alg.exe 2772 Console 0 3.444 K
SynTPLpr.exe 3048 Console 0 2.280 K
SynTPEnh.exe 3072 Console 0 6.132 K
TpShocks.exe 3120 Console 0 2.664 K
TPHKMGR.exe 3204 Console 0 4.888 K
TPONSCR.exe 3308 Console 0 2.624 K
TpScrex.exe 3316 Console 0 2.548 K
EZEJMNAP.EXE 3552 Console 0 3.404 K
tfswctrl.exe 3600 Console 0 4.004 K
ibmmessages.exe 3648 Console 0 11.820 K
CCAPP.EXE 3656 Console 0 19.308 K
ibmprc.exe 3672 Console 0 2.008 K
QCTRAY.EXE 3720 Console 0 15.140 K
QCWLICON.EXE 3736 Console 0 12.048 K
rundll32.exe 3764 Console 0 5.152 K
SMax4PNP.exe 3924 Console 0 4.268 K
PicasaMediaDetector.exe 4084 Console 0 4.304 K
gcasServ.exe 2144 Console 0 7.800 K
svchost.exe 2260 Console 0 4.112 K
DataLayer.exe 2584 Console 0 7.068 K
LaunchApplication.exe 236 Console 0 10.792 K
iTunesHelper.exe 3336 Console 0 4.372 K
gcasDtServ.exe 3760 Console 0 13.016 K
SERVIC~1.EXE 3904 Console 0 7.876 K
iPodService.exe 2072 Console 0 3.832 K
chc.exe 400 Console 0 2.760 K
TpScrLk.exe 2096 Console 0 2.376 K
msnmsgr.exe 1304 Console 0 7.316 K
PcSync2.exe 200 Console 0 9.340 K
googletalk.exe 3160 Console 0 11.600 K
MPAPI3s.exe 876 Console 0 3.628 K
BTTray.exe 2348 Console 0 4.636 K
DLG.exe 2484 Console 0 2.716 K
msmsgs.exe 764 Console 0 9.524 K
realsched.exe 2936 Console 0 148 K
IEXPLORE.EXE 3356 Console 0 26.448 K
cmd.exe 4016 Console 0 2.488 K
wmiprvse.exe 748 Console 0 5.824 K
tasklist.exe 1196 Console 0 4.388 K

Now, that should do.

[dvorak]

Thanks for the info, I'll do a few tests myself too, with my own user account, with the Guest account, and with various programs running, including uninstalling Outpost Firewall (a rather lousy FW again IMO :P).

A great test to see if something is doing hard calculations during the resuming would be just to run Process Explorer (www.sysinternals.com) right before you standby, then when resuming later on quickly pause it and check the graph, when you move the moues over the graph you'll see the program which had the highest CPU usage at any second. Perhaps there's a better application logging CPU usage per every program every second, but at the current moment I can't remember any :)

[dvorak]

Now, that should do.

Woah, you've got a LOT of programs running there :)

You should do some hard-core tweaking with your startup list, it'll be a rather pain in the neck pin-pointing the cause when there's a hundred 3rd party applications running, it's not impossible that there are many programs not very stand-by/hibernation friendly.

All those useless updating/licence services need not to run every time, anti-spyware applications that run in the background usually are also a big waste of resources, not to mention the other executables that you have there, eg. Nokia Syncing software works fine on need-to-run basis.

Edit: And oh yeah, you've got the Windows Messenger apparently also running next to MSN Messenger, as I remember it was possible to uninstall Windows Messenger through Add & Remove, no need for them to both run.