The longer the hibernation/standby the longer waking up

[krma-thkpds]

So, what do you suggest me to do? Try uninstalling programs one by one? Where should I start?

I checked the thing with Windows Messenger and it can't be unninstalled in Add/Remove Programs. So, if I understand what you are saying, programs like antispyware and antivirus running live waste resources. How can one turn off such programs which are essential for computer security? And updating/licence services? This refers to Microsoft Automatic Update and IBM Message Center and such things? Should I turn these off too?

[jimj]

Just to let you people know, my problem with hibernate taking a long time to restore does not happen when I close my browsers before hibernating. So I guess its got to do with the flash plugin in the browsers. My T30 and T43 both restore much faster without getting 'stuck'. Thanks guys.

[dvorak]

So, what do you suggest me to do? Try uninstalling programs one by one? Where should I start?

I checked the thing with Windows Messenger and it can't be unninstalled in Add/Remove Programs. So, if I understand what you are saying, programs like antispyware and antivirus running live waste resources. How can one turn off such programs which are essential for computer security? And updating/licence services? This refers to Microsoft Automatic Update and IBM Message Center and such things? Should I turn these off too?

I'll go into detail once I get more free time, but I was actually only referring to Antispyware programs running in the background, I personally consider them a waste of resources, if you're not dumb enough to click YES on every prompt, there's a perhaps one in a billion chance to get infected by security holes, and that too only when you browse hard-core porn sites :)
A good virusscan and perhaps a firewall is all one needs in my eyes, all those antispyware thingies do, is restore browser settings, and you can see that yourself when your homepage turns into www.freeporn4you.xxx.

And the IBM Message Center is also useless IMO.

And no, I didn't mean you should uninstall, you should just disable various auto-update services, you can let Windows' A-U alone, but I consider it useless to have other applications consume memory for them to be able to tell you to update once a year.

You can disable Windows Messenger by opening it, and then somewhere in the options there's a chance to disable it autostarting with Windows. Be sure to edit Windows Messenger, not MSN's.

Regarding Licencing Services I meant Autodesk's for example, I myself have both AutoCAD and 3ds Max installed, by default those run a licencing service automatically (run services.msc for a list of services), I just put it to manual, hence on a need-to-run basis.

You also had some Picasa .exe's running, I presume they also autostart, most of them can be disabled to autostart using the program's own options, but if not, like Nokia's Suite, you can use www.sysinternals.com - Autostart program, to conveniently disable some programs from starting with Windows.

Edit: And oh yeah, realsched.exe is Real Player's auto-update program, useless again, you can again disable it to gain resources, you can always manually update if you're having problems or wanting a newer version.
You can use Google and http://www.sysinfo.org/startuplist.php to identify autostarting apps.

[dvorak]

Just to let you people know, my problem with hibernate taking a long time to restore does not happen when I close my browsers before hibernating. So I guess its got to do with the flash plugin in the browsers. My T30 and T43 both restore much faster without getting 'stuck'. Thanks guys.

What browser might that be? I didn't notice any problems using Internet Explorer and flash, only Firefox.
That's the reason I'll probably be heading back to IE when they release the 7th version, those 100% CPU usage and stand-by problems with Fx are starting to get on my nerves.

[jimj]

I almost exclusively use firefox and opera. And yes, firefox seems to be causing the problem. But for good measure I just close all my browsers before hibernating.

[dvorak]

I almost exclusively use firefox and opera. And yes, firefox seems to be causing the problem. But for good measure I just close all my browsers before hibernating.

That kind of ruins the whole point of hibernation, doesn't it :)
Flashblock might help to reduce the delay from 5 minutes to less, but lately the stand-by problem has returned on my computer, I thought I conquered it when I started using Flashblock extension for Firefox and uninstalled Sygate's Firewall, but appears not.
I've got Firefox quite tweaked out the way I like it, it's a bit hard to give up some perfect extensions and migrate to Opera, which I'm rather sure doesn't have these problems, so you, jimj, probably don't need to close it.

[Navck]

Defragmenting, use one of those weird programs with offline defragment. That will make your hibernate file one nice one and not drive you physco with load times.

[dvorak]

Defragmenting, use one of those weird programs with offline defragment. That will make your hibernate file one nice one and not drive you physco with load times.

Though it is possible for the file to fragment, it'll only happen when one enables and disables it often, usually people have hibernation enabled from the start, hence no fragmentation.
Just checked mine, both pagefile and hibernate file nicely in continues sectors. And even in the worst case it can't add an extra 30 seconds to the resuming as we're dealing with :-)

[Navck]

10 files, all within 25-75mb fragmented. That increased a game load time from 3 seconds to 1 minute and 34 seconds

Don't under esitmate fragmentation

[dvorak]

Today stand-by after 10 hours took a normal 8.14 seconds from Fn key till password prompt to appear, I tested that with DC. Firefox was running without any flash applets loaded in its lifetime, Thunderbird aswell, and MSN Messenger of course.
So still a rather bizarre situation to troubleshoot.

10 files, all within 25-75mb fragmented. That increased a game load time from 3 seconds to 1 minute and 34 seconds

Don't under esitmate fragmentation

Well I was more thinking of perhaps a couple of fragments, not 2^20 fragments :) How fragmented were these files, and what game was that? Seems a bit too mystical to me, especially how they got fragmented, I would think Windows has enough room for such small files and just puts them at the end where there's continues free sectors.

[nrj45]

For your tests with firefox, install the extension "SessionSaver". It allows you to retrieve all open pages that were before the shutdown/crash of firefox.

[dvorak]

For your tests with firefox, install the extension "SessionSaver". It allows you to retrieve all open pages that were before the shutdown/crash of firefox.

Been using that from the day I got my Thinkpad :) A true lifesaver, helps cope with Firefox's numerous crashes and bugs.
Though I think I should also do a few of them under Firefox's Safe Mode, to rule out the possibility of some extension causing an extra delay, in addition to Flash.
But the fact that this morning no problems occoured with also about 40 tabs and 2 windows kind of rules out some faults than Flash.

[jd2020]

My problem doesn't seem to be related to file fragmentation. When I resume from hibernation, there's often a long pause between the power on password, and windows login (for some reason it won't log me into windows based on the power on fingerprint/password although I've configured it that way in Client Security 6). Other times there is a long pause between windows password/fingerprint and getting the desktop icons on the screen. For about 30-120 seconds the desktop background is on the display. In either case there is very little or no disk access.

Could fragmentation be responsible for this with no disk access? That doesn't make sense to me. I've tried using MSFT's old BOOTVIS utility, but can't make much sense of the results.

[dvorak]

If fragments were the cause, you'd see a LOT of HDD activity, it would then just take a little more time, but definitely not a minute and 30 seconds.

If I'm not mistaken the pause should occour when the hibernation progress bar has reached the end, then it'll just sit there for a while, if it slowly just moves the the end then the cause again may be different.

And after hibernation Windows should be locked (just as you would press Win key+L), any auto-login software should not work for this case as far as I know, other wise it would automatically log you in when you lock it manually.

[jd2020]

Right, the first case is a long pause after the Resume from Hibernation bar completes. The second case is after the desktop background is displayed w/o Taskbar or Icons. In both cases, no/very little disk activity.

??? humph.

[dvorak]

Right, the first case is a long pause after the Resume from Hibernation bar completes. The second case is after the desktop background is displayed w/o Taskbar or Icons. In both cases, no/very little disk activity.

??? humph.

Could I also get a list of running processes that remain while you hibernate?
I myself have not lately noticed any wait while resuming stand by, so it's one slow troubleshooting :)

Though it did seem to me that resuming with the machine not plugged in is slower when you go to stand by while being plugged, and vice-versa too, perhaps some power management delay.

[jd2020]

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[krma-thkpds]

So, I restored my machine to the state as it was shipped from the factory and started to add programs one by one and checking which is causing the long resume problem.

After a week of such investigation I found out that after installing the newest wireless Intel driver my system has started to resume from hibernation and stand by increasingly longer.

However and strongly dis advice any who has intention to install the newest wireless Intel diver not to do so.

[dvorak]

After a week of such investigation I found out that after installing the newest wireless Intel driver my system has started to resume from hibernation and stand by increasingly longer.

However and strongly dis advice any who has intention to install the newest wireless Intel diver not to do so.

Totally possible, but don't the drivers fix some true bugs as well?

I myself don't have such drivers installed at all, using an Atheros chipset wireless card here, but as I said, the problem might be caused by many different factors. Lately though I've had no problems with resuming from stand by, so a truly bizarre case.

[krma-thkpds]

First I would like to ask all off you people posting here who have Intel Wi-Fi and have the lates driver if you are experiencing long resume, just to make sure.

Totally possible, but don't the drivers fix some true bugs as well?

I don't know what is better? Living with the old buggies until the next release or waiting 5 mins to buut the comp. I think if one could live with old version of the driver for as long as it was best out there is no point in keeping the newest version. And I probably won't.

[fbrdphreak]

So for all the FF users out there who leave FF open when they go to Standby, this is definitely the cause. There's a bug listing on Mozilla's site (don't have the link) for this exact thing on a Mac, so it appears to be Flash & FF related.

For now I've downloaded FlashBlock and AdBlock. These eliminate just about all of the flash issues and hopefully I will be able to standby normally. I'll let you all know how it works out

[dvorak]

Fx not FF :P

Firefox's 1.5 beta out, though I'll probably be not upgrading as it'll definitely break 99% of my extensions that I just can't be without.
It'd be nice if someone willing to upgrade would test things out, how's the delay with Flash left running, and how's it with pure HTML based pages.

[fbrdphreak]

Hey guys,
I installed AdBlock & FlashBlock and that took care of my problem. I've never been impressed with my T42's resume from standby speed, but it isn't the ridiculously long time that Firefox causes. I also haven't had it use 100% CPU upon resume yet either; its gotta be Flash related.

*whew* I'm glad, 'cuz I like the customizability of Firefox