T43 really such a [censored] child?

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cepler · #1 Post by **cepler** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:38 pm

I'm a current T22 owner and I have to say, reading the forum and seeing all the [censored] child comments about the T43 is a bit depressing. I was all set to order a 2668-WCJ (or 2668-W42 if I decide on 14") which I can get at an extremely good price but now I'm wondering if I really want to do that or try to find a T42p that will probably end up costing me MORE than the T43...

I understand the hard drive issue to some extent but it does seem that they are addressing it, albeit a little slowly. Beyond that and the possibility of a louder fan is there really much else that can be deemed bad? Are the T43 keyboards worse? (Note that I'm coming from a T22 so keep that in mind regarding what KB etc)

So unfortunatly I can't get the T42p series at the very good prices I can on the T43 so it's a tough decision for me but I really need to get something because XP is feeling cramped in 512 meg RAM (T22 max) and at 1 GHz on a P3.

NeoteriX · #2 Post by **NeoteriX** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:14 am

My T43 works great. *shrug*

#3 Post by **K. Eng** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:33 am

Keyboard is most certainly NOT worse. T4x keyboards have much better feedback than T2x keyboards.

Downside of the T43 is slighly less battery life than the T42 and more fan noise.

Upside of the T43 is better performance than the T42.

I wouldn't worry about it

kyrotech · #4 Post by **kyrotech** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:39 am

I still like the T42 over T43, maybe we need to wait for the T43 to "mature"

#5 Post by **Kyocera** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:52 pm

Kyrotech makes a great point, there really are to many issues right now for me with the T43 to think of upgrading. Most people that own them never visit these forums and therefore live with the issues without realizing that the loud fan, heat, whatever, is something that seasoned thinkpad owners would be "up in arms" over.

om3gaboost · #6 Post by **om3gaboost** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:57 pm

I own a t43 and yes there is fan noise. But unless you are a sensitive wimp who can't take a little noise, its not even an issue. The only time I really hear the fan is at night time, when im studying @ the library and it is really quiet. during the day, the noise is nonexistant because of your surrounding + music.

#7 Post by **Kyocera** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:15 pm

I am sure the issue is not about being a wimp, in my opinion it is more about feeling positive about purchasing a laptop that is now made completely by lenovo. The t43 is the litmus test. Others may disagree.
It may be good or it may not, time will tell. Anyone remember AMF/HarleyDavidson?

Greg Gebhardt · #8 Post by **Greg Gebhardt** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:46 pm

I would highly recomend the T43. Lots of computing power and big nice screens. Mine is the best I have ever had.

As far as fan noise, I have to agree with the other poster (wimp!), just not that much noise to worry about. Most the time I can't even hear my fan. My GOD these are notebooks and they got to get the heat out of them sometimes.

My HP XW8200 dual Xeon desktop with twin SATA drives is WAY louder than my current TP43.

If you want the best, get the T43p

SteveDC · #9 Post by **SteveDC** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:09 pm

I had a T20 for three years and a T40 for two years when I recently decided to upgrade.

I learned about the Lenovo "manager's specials" on T42s on this forum after ordering a T43. I decided to get a T42 instead due to the money I saved. Not the performance of a T43, but good enough for me.

Anyway, the T43 arrived and before returning it I opened it up and turned it on -- curious after reading the fan noise comments. I thought it was much louder than the T20 or T40. (I don't have my T42 yet.) I could put up with it, but, for me, if I can get the work done with a lesser-performing, quieter machine, I prefer to do so.

In normal use, I expect the fan runs slower most of the time because your CPU is running at a lower speed for a lot of tasks, especially for word processing which I do a lot of. Even on my T40, the fan "spools up" at turn on, then slows down for word processing.

shuvit · #10 Post by **shuvit** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:24 pm

i own a t42p, it is magical.

DIGITALgimpus · #11 Post by **DIGITALgimpus** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:43 pm

I've only had mine for about 48hrs... but I don't think the fan noise is anything to complain about. The keyboard isn't to bad either. And I don't have the Thai.

#12 Post by **BillMorrow** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:48 am

i have had'em all..
current herd is composed of X41T and T43p (Q2U)..
all great..
fan noise..?
heat..?
too trivial to [censored] about..

if you want to write about something, the 2010 error is more of an issue than the noise moving air makes..

from middler florida, in the path of hurrican wilma, :

i am

AIX · #13 Post by **AIX** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:21 am

I have a T22 and a T41; the T41 keyboard is better than T22 keyboard.

Tan Mann · #14 Post by **Tan Mann** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:09 pm

cepler wrote:I'm a current T22 owner and I have to say, reading the forum and seeing all the [censored] child comments about the T43 is a bit depressing. I was all set to order a 2668-WCJ (or 2668-W42 if I decide on 14") which I can get at an extremely good price but now I'm wondering if I really want to do that or try to find a T42p that...
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So unfortunatly I can't get the T42p series at the very good prices I can on the T43 so it's a tough decision for me but I really need to get something because XP is feeling cramped in 512 meg RAM (T22 max) and at 1 GHz on a P3.

Try the 2373-7XU on sale at IBM US for $1699...add Bluetooth card for some $45 bucks(FRU # 39T0065 and the Clear Plate for some $5)....[censored] good price!

Specs here:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... yle=lenovo

This is guy I deal with:
Tony Morsillo
Email Address: dtmorsil@directlenovo.com
Ph # (866) 428-4465 ext. 32733
Fax # (888) 380-5923

Very helpful chap.

FWIW

Tan

danny_isr · #15 Post by **danny_isr** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:19 pm

many issues ??? HD issue - what HD issue ?

the fan is on YES . fan is laud NO. that’s it.

battery bigger then T42 that should address the difference. if that is not enough use CHC.

so what other issues we are talking about ?

I think one thing need to get mature here , it's called T42 owners

Greg Gebhardt · #16 Post by **Greg Gebhardt** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:00 pm

danny_isr wrote:many issues ??? HD issue - what HD issue ?

the fan is on YES . fan is laud NO. that’s it.

battery bigger then T42 that should address the difference. if that is not enough use CHC.

so what other issues we are talking about ?

I think one thing need to get mature here , it's called T42 owners

GO Danny!

DIGITALgimpus · #17 Post by **DIGITALgimpus** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:29 pm

BillMorrow wrote:i have had'em all..
current herd is composed of X41T and T43p (Q2U)..
all great..
fan noise..?
heat..?
too trivial to [censored] about..

if you want to write about something, the 2010 error is more of an issue than the noise moving air makes..

from middler florida, in the path of hurrican wilma, :
i am

+1, absolutely correct.

I'm a bit disappointed about the 2010 error. I wouldn't be so upset if IBM parts weren't such a rip off (compare the IBM branded 7k100 to the generic Hitachi).

I just want a good 80GB+ 7200 RPM drive in this sucker, and I will then be able to say, this T43 is near perfect.

christopher_wolf · #18 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:53 pm

I would have to say that I, honestly, cannot see the "Big Difference," if any exists, in Quality between the T43 and T42; my friend has a T42 and we compared systems, there really wasn't anything to complain about. If you really want a "litmus test" of what you can expect from Lenovo, look at the Z Series of Thinkpads. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Lenovo had a pretty big influence with the Z Series, almost to the point of creating an entirely new kind of Thinkpad "under their own power," so to speak.

I own a T43 and have had NO Problems with it whatsoever; it is a Heaven-like Improvement over my Old HP Laptop and my T43 has every feature I could even think about wishing for.

I have owned a T42, T40, T20, and I still have a 701C Butterfly. I can tell you now that I always go to Thinkpads if I want a very high quality Laptop. I am in agreement with Mr. Bill Morrow and think that the biggest issue now is the 2010 Error.

Oh and by the way, Excellent Forum you have here; hats off to the Community and Mods.

*bows*

MobileGuru · #19 Post by **MobileGuru** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:31 pm

T43 won't mature .. it will be replaced .. but personally I haven't had any problems with my 43P and the performance was worth the battery life trade-off.

N.

Michael1980 · #20 Post by **Michael1980** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:50 pm

I think the problem is Sonoma. It is not a good thing for a laptop.

christopher_wolf · #21 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:33 pm

I'll believe it when I see it, and I haven't seen my T43 have any problems; and the only thing I am seeing is other People saying Good/Bad things about the T43 and implying that all T43s are like that.

I have had my T43 for several months now and have run it through a HEAVY Workload and have had no problems. From Scrolling through *.pdfs to Networking to Fan Noise. Sometimes, when I am plugged into AC, I notice the Fan Spool up and stay on for awhile..but this doesn't last long, maybe about 5 minutes. Yes, I am indeed sensitive to fan noise (A, now defunct, HP Laptop of mine had three fans...two for the CPU and one for the Video Card although the Card in question was a 32MB ATI 7000 Series; talk about wasting power), and I have heard that little "Buzzing" sound when everything is dead quiet and I scroll; but this only happens rarely. I can only remember hearing it maybe three times since I got my T43 Thinkpad. Heat hasn't been a problem even when I use it on my lap for a few hours. Battery life isn't an issue since I use a 9-Cell Battery and get ALOT of Work done and still have about 30%-20% left over.

And what exactly is the Problem with the Sonoma? Once again, I haven't experienced any problems and I don't think I will in the Future.

On a slightly related note, I run BOINC on the SETI@Home and Predictor@Home Projects nearly 24/7 in the Background with around 95% of my CPU and my T43 still performs like a Charm with no lag, no hangs, and no crashes; I can't even recall when I had to reboot, or otherwise, because something crashed...much less the entire system going down.

And I am DEFINITELY going to agree with Danny here.

The T43 is another Thinkpad; I think that the T43s and T42s are absolutely
incredible machines, let's not try to say which one is better than another by going "Hey, that isn't Quality! That isn't IBM! It is Noisy!" etc. That seems rather childish, don't you think?

onix · #22 Post by **onix** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:24 pm

Kyocera wrote:Kyrotech makes a great point, there really are to many issues right now for me with the T43 to think of upgrading. Most people that own them never visit these forums and therefore live with the issues without realizing that the loud fan, heat, whatever, is something that seasoned thinkpad owners would be "up in arms" over.

Exactly. I cancelled my order of a T43p based on the dissappointment expressed by a lot of the forum members. But when should we expect the next T4x to be out?

I noticed the Lenovo site has a new T43p out with a 2.26 GHz processor - making the heating issues probably even worse.

DIGITALgimpus · #23 Post by **DIGITALgimpus** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:17 pm

Personally, I think the T43 is a great example of "the sky is falling".

Mine is even quieter now that Google Desktop did it's 1X index. And will be even lower when I add more RAM this week (less HD usage from the paging file).

dssjon · #24 Post by **dssjon** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:26 pm

ive had my machine about 6 months and have had no problems as of yet. the machine is curiously quiet compared to what ive read in these forums. im starting to wonder if only the T43p's are the really really loud notebooks. ive used many different notebooks in the past and this is by far the best laptop ive ever used.

pae77 · #25 Post by **pae77** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:49 pm

One thing I've noticed on my T42p is when my fan is off (which is a lot), and I am in a quiet room (also which is a lot), I can hear the constant spinning of my 7k60, and it sounds pretty much just like a steady but quiet fan. It doesn't really bother me but I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the fan complaints were really people noticing the sound the 7k60 makes.

(Disclaimer: I have never tried using a T43 so I don't really know what I am talking about here.)

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