1.8" Harddisk by Toshiba

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caero · #1 Post by **caero** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:03 pm

have any of you X40/41 owners tried the 60GB HD by Toshiba?

I was wondering if it was without the noisy quirks that the Hitachi ones have.

bhtooefr · #2 Post by **bhtooefr** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:18 pm

Nope, different connector

It won't work in the X40/41. The ONLY drives that will work are 1.8" Hitachi IDE (not ZIF) drives.

caero · #3 Post by **caero** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:21 pm

how is the connecter different? Isn't it ATA?

I am seriously starting to get annoyed by the HD in my x40 after just 3 days...

bhtooefr · #4 Post by **bhtooefr** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:09 pm

There's three different connectors.

Hitachi IDE (what the X4x uses)
Hitachi ZIF (another incompatible connector)
Seagate ZIF (a third incompatible connector)

They all use the same protocol, but a different connector.

Now, if you don't have a problem with the HDD sticking out of your laptop by a couple of inches, the Hitachi IDE connector is the same as a 2.5" IDE connector. So, you could have a standard 2.5" HDD sticking out by a couple inches.

caero · #5 Post by **caero** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:25 pm

So what connectors are the 2 new Toshibas using?

I don't understand why hitachi could be the only ones making drives that work in the X4x series. Their drives are so piss poor that any alternative would strike gold easy.

caero · #6 Post by **caero** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:51 pm

Looking at the PDF spec sheets for both of the C4K60 and the Toshiba MK4004GAH they seem to have exactly the same number of pins and abbreviation for each of them on the back. What am I missing here?

Yotam · #7 Post by **Yotam** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:55 pm

Can you please post these specs sheets URLs here? I want to see them.

I don't know anything about toshiba drives and don't have any way to check it. If you do - let us know.

caero · #8 Post by **caero** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:57 pm

http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=8 ... 9c00001aaa

under support and user guide

http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib. ... C_spec.pdf

caero · #9 Post by **caero** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:00 pm

as far as I can see both are 44 pin and have exactly the same names for each pin.

caero · #10 Post by **caero** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:00 am

Ok... I have examined this matter a bit further.

The toshiba connectors are basically the same pin system as teh hitachi ones. The difference is that they place the connecter differently on the drive compared to hitachi and thus renders them useless in a x40/41. Unless IBM makes a different adaptor for the HDs I guess we are stuck with the incredibly crappy hitachis.

I am very dissatisfied by how much of an annoyance the hitachi drives constant high toned noises and the drive head parking clicks produce.

I was at a business meeting and the clicks drew too much attention to them from the clients who looked at the thinkpad occassionally when it clicked.

I seriously hope either IBM or Hitachi gets a grip and produces something that actually works in a business environment...

Maybe I should have bought a x32 or Portege R200 instead

Grey Area · #11 Post by **Grey Area** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:47 am

There are people who have reported that the drive is far more silent under Linux, or when running from a clean Windows installation. Mine sure was silent when booted from the Hitachi drive tools. Has it been verified if the constant clicking is actually a drive issue, or due to some IBM background process?

Björn

caero · #12 Post by **caero** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:31 am

hmm if that is the case then maybe I should try a clean install.

Is it possible to install windows through LAN?

whizkid · #13 Post by **whizkid** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:20 am

It's not easy to install Windows over a lan without the volume licensing tools.

But, you can format a tiny DOS partition and copy the files from the Windows CD there. Boot that partition and run setup.

caero · #14 Post by **caero** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:15 am

seems like too much of a hassle to go through...

I think my only hope is that hitachi either releases a firmware update that fixes it or releases a new lineup of harddisks that work with the x40.

em500 · #15 Post by **em500** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:47 am

There's three different connectors.

Hitachi IDE (what the X4x uses)
Hitachi ZIF (another incompatible connector)
Seagate ZIF (a third incompatible connector)

They all use the same protocol, but a different connector.

I don't think Seagate has 1.8" drives, they only list 2.5" and 1.0" on their site. And you forgot the Toshiba connector. For those who still haven't seen it, here's the Hitachi and here's the Toshiba drive. It should be obvious from the pictures that the Toshiba won't fit in your X40 and the Hitachi won't fit in your iPod. If this comes up one more time I think it should be made a Sticky.

bhtooefr · #16 Post by **bhtooefr** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:05 am

Crap, I meant Toshiba...

Yotam · #17 Post by **Yotam** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:15 am

Anyone who installed a clean XP can report anything? Did you have any clicks before that aren't existed anymore?

I don't want to reinstall windows here. Too much data and programs are already installed. If it is sure - I may consider doing it.

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