Thinkpad Fan Noise Problem: Light at the End of the Tunnel

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infinus · #901 Post by **infinus** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:36 am

WOW! Now that's cool!

Impressive response time!

infinus · #902 Post by **infinus** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:42 am

PS. Donation sent!

Mike

troubadix · #903 Post by **troubadix** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:29 am

Donation received

Thank you

Ciao, troubadix

infinus · #904 Post by **infinus** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:54 am

Maybe I could get one more request from you

Can the high fan speed (setting 64) be made to have the same behavior as the other fan speeds? So once it gets set it doesn't go back down to the next lowest fan speed until the previous temperature threshold gets reached? My thinkpad will keep bouncing back and forth between speed 64 and speed 7 frequently with the thresholds I have set.

Sorry for being picky!

troubadix · #905 Post by **troubadix** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:03 pm

Hi!

Changed the code (your special edition) on the fly, no time to test now, please help yourself

and please report results

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~schmit ... rol_64.zip (just .exe only)

Ciao, troubadix

edit (24 hours later): tested it to be a new beta

: http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~schmitzr/tpfc_v051.zip (strange level setting in .ini to show the advantage, new parameters IconColorFan=0/1, Lev64Norm=0/1, both set to 0 will run like v0.50)

infinus · #906 Post by **infinus** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:33 am

I had been testing over the weekend and it works great for me! Now my fan won't start speeding up for a second only to slow down and keep repeating. Thanks a lot! I like this program a lot.

agarza · #907 Post by **agarza** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:44 am

Hi troubadix, I have replaced my main Thinkpad with a new T61. Very silent. Although I have found some issues or doubts regarding the temperature readings on your software against another reading software such as HWMonitor.

In NBR forums there's the Undervolting Guide:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=235824 suggesting the use of Orthos + HWMonitor + RightMark CPU Clock Utility.

I followed that guide to undervolt my T8100 45nm processor. Then installed TPFanControl v0.50. HWMonitor temperatures from the Cores 0 and 1 are different than the 'CPU' reading on TPFanControl.
TPFancontrol reads the THM0 value as CPU. In my opinion right now in the T61 is useless to control the fan because we're getting a totally different reading.
Here, take a look at this screenshot.

You can clearly see there's discrepancies on the CPU reading.

Yesterday I wiped the HDD that was preinstalled with Vista Home Premium and downgraded to XP Pro. I don't know now why my fan won't stop working once it read the threshold to start spinning.
I remember in Vista the fan would stop but in XP is not.

I've been working with your 0.18 version (quite old) on my T42p for quite sometime, and now I'm unfamiliar with the new values the TPFanControl has:

1 cpu 42°C (0x78)
2 aps 41°C (0x79)
3 crd 34°C (0x7a)
5 no5 32°C (0x7c)
7 bat 30°C (0x7e)
9 bus 38°C (0xc0)
10 pci 40°C (0xc1)
11 pwr 37°C (0xc2)

against
ACPI
THM0 42C
THM1 30C
Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T8100
core #0 31C
core #1 28C

What's the CPU temp where the fan on the T61 should stop?? I'm using an 4:3 SXGA+ model.

troubadix · #908 Post by **troubadix** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:25 pm

Hi!

I don't know what you're doing, but have a look a my screenshot

THM0 and THM1 are values of the ACPI philosophy http://www.acpi.info so called thermozones

Few are computed by acpi.sys from many temp values delivered by embedded controller and taken from thermo sensors. Straight from the horse's mouth TPFanControl is reading and displaying embedded controller registers which content temps delivered by termo sensors without further computation. The locations of sensors are a secret of manufacturer. You can solve it by dismanteling your machine before using cooling spray and TPFanControl

My .ini of TPFC is set to stop fan at 60°C

btw: ealier versions of RMClock were said to be wrong with Santa Rosa

Ciao, troubadix

agarza · #909 Post by **agarza** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:19 pm

Thanks for your fast response troubadix

Looking at your screenshot is so weird that your THM0, THM1, Core #0, Core #1 and CPU values are all the same (58C).

I don't know and doubt that the location of the sensors vary from a 4:3 vs 16:10 models hence the discrepancy of the values. I noticed you use the CPUID Hardware Monitor PRO does the software include the personalized fields of information for Thinkpad users?

Right now I'm testing lowering voltages on my T8100.
TPFanControl V0.50 readings:
CPU 64C (this is the same on CPUID reading THM0

But can't figure out the difference among THM0 THM1 and Core #0 and Core #1. Which value should I be concerned with when checking how high the CPU temp shoots up when running Orthos.

troubadix · #910 Post by **troubadix** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:17 pm

agarza wrote: I noticed you use the CPUID Hardware Monitor PRO does the software include the personalized fields of information for Thinkpad users?

Have a test http://www.cpuid.com/download/HWMonitorPro_101.zip (trial version)

The difference between temps of the two cores should not be that much as they are on the same dice. The values shown by TPFanControl (cpu) [or CPUID Hardware Monitor (core1/2)] are reliable and can be used to trigger the fan.

Ciao, troubadix

agarza · #911 Post by **agarza** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:07 pm

Interesting.

So we could say the values Core #0 and Core #1 trigger the fan, and the THM0 sensor is the overall temp of the CPU which is the one reported on TPFC.

Thanks for your help Troubadix, you made a nice piece of software for our beloved Thinkpad.

Last question, could you post/suggest your T61 TPFC.ini values you have. Is is OK to leave the CPU hovering the high forties (triggering the fan at 50C lets say) or leave it as it is. I found the fan is always on and only if the machine is idle the CPU temp would drop to 41C.

My temps:
1 cpu 43°C (0x78)
2 aps 42°C (0x79)
3 crd 35°C (0x7a)
5 no5 32°C (0x7c)
7 bat 31°C (0x7e)
9 bus 39°C (0xc0)
10 pci 42°C (0xc1)
11 pwr 38°C (0xc2)

Interesting though the fan would never go higher than 3000RPM. I like the way Lenovo engineers designed this laptop. IMO by far the best thermal design ever on a Thinkpad. Good-bye T42p

troubadix · #912 Post by **troubadix** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:21 am

Hi!

my current state, T61 Merom 2GHz, Vista32 aeroglass:

1 cpu 52°C (0x78)
2 aps 41°C (0x79)
3 crd 39°C (0x7a)
4 gpu 57°C (0x7b)
9 bus 39°C (0xc0)
10 pci 41°C (0xc1)
11 pwr 46°C (0xc2)

battery is in the fridge, to keep it crisp

Level setting:

Level=60 0 // Level=140 0
Level=65 1 // Level=150 1
Level=75 3 // Level=165 3
Level=80 7 // Level=175 7
Level=90 64 // Level=195 64

just as I had put it as default in v0.051

Have fun

Ciao, troubadix

edit: your temps will be significantly lower

as the NVidia Quadro NVS 140M is heating my whole system much more than your Intel GMA X3100

agarza · #913 Post by **agarza** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:43 am

Thanks a bunch troubadix.

I'm glad I just ordered my T61 with the X3100.

Pascal_TTH · #914 Post by **Pascal_TTH** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:53 pm

Hi Troubadix !

You have a new Thinkpad ! Congratulations. Enjoy it ! I'am glad to see you and Franck make some nice work together.
You can use RivaTuner to underclock de Quadro NVS 140m

troubadix · #915 Post by **troubadix** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:49 am

Hi Pascal!

Yeah, since a couple of weeks I've got a ThinkPad T61 6457-5NG, T7300(2GHz), 4GB RAM, 15.4in 1280x800 LCD, 128MB nVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M, Intel 802.11agn and ...... WinVista Business. I didn't belief it before but now after some time of getting used to it I'm not only fond of WideXGA but also of Vista and .... the aeroglass design

. Only with TPFanControl, of course

Frank and I did successfully somework together and we exchanged our banners for affiliation

Ciao, troubadix

xta · #916 Post by **xta** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:10 pm

I'm wondering if I have a fan issue or a more general heat issue

1 cpu 68°C (0x78)
2 aps 42°C (0x79)
3 crd 44°C (0x7a)
4 gpu 76°C (0x7b)
5 no5 22°C (0x7c)
7 bat 22°C (0x7e)
9 bus 44°C (0xc0)
10 pci 52°C (0xc1)
11 pwr 58°C (0xc2)

my x1400 gpu is running extremely hot and all i have open after startup is firefox and instant messenger programs

chris123 · #917 Post by **chris123** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:24 pm

Just wondering if the new version of troubadix's TP Fan control can adjust the fan speeds below 2500 RPM.

From what I've read, it seems it doesn't.

Any ideas how to recalibrate the fan speeds so that 1 = 15000-2000 and up so that 7 = 3500 (max)?

My T60 sets the speeds 1- 3 all the same -- at about 2500-2600 RPM. While this is OK in an environment with some ambient noise, in a quiet study room, it's noticeable and distracting. It seems like a better way of doing it would be to have a fan running all the time at lower RPM like 1500-2000 which would eliminate most heat build up and then have higher fan speeds kick in when the cpu comes under heavy load. I have the integrated graphics chip so cooling that is not a problem as it is with those with Raydeon, etc.

troubadix · #918 Post by **troubadix** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:45 pm

chris123 wrote:Just wondering if the new version of troubadix's TP Fan control can adjust the fan speeds below 2500 RPM.

Sorry,no!

Fan speed at certain levels (and each possible level itself) is set by embedded controller firmware. Some guys tried to deal with that, but with non-operating result:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20958

chris123 · #919 Post by **chris123** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:54 am

troubadix wrote:
chris123 wrote:Just wondering if the new version of troubadix's TP Fan control can adjust the fan speeds below 2500 RPM.
Sorry,no! Fan speed at certain levels (and each possible level itself) is set by embedded controller firmware. Some guys tried to deal with that, but with non-operating result:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20958

OK, no worries. Your TP Fan Control is a fantastic program, but I have to remember that "you can't always get what you want".

I guess I'll just try to keep it cool by undervolting and putting an constant external desk fan on it.

Thanks.

atomMan · #920 Post by **atomMan** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:26 pm

Talked to him a bit via PM and he asked me to post the issue...

WinXP SP3 (note that SP3 may have something to do with it)

Using the alternative 'acpiecnl.sys' driver in the '\TPFanControl\optional\acpiecnl' directory and merging the 'acpiecLogOff.reg' file causes windows to become unresponsive for about 45 sec. just before log-on.

troubadix asked what the CPU usage was, but i was unable to ctrl/alt/del. I'm guessing it was pegged. No errors in the event log, and i haven't yet enabled any logging in TPFC.

Note that the alternative driver may not be the issue, as the problem only occurs when the 'acpiecLogOff.reg' file is merged, regardless of which driver is loaded, or even if TPFC is installed.

It appears the installer does not restore the registry when TPFC is uninstalled, as i was still having the problem. I had to reinstall and merge the 'acpiecLogOn.reg' file to resolve the issue.

Anyone else seeing this and, if so, what service pack?

UPDATE:

appears the troubadix TPFanControl.ini is not well suited to a T60, at least not in my case. I notice the left palm rest (GPU? -- i have a dedicated card installed, but i don't have a T60p) gets very warm. Looks like what the "SensorName" strings are actually supposed to be (for a T60) is in doubt as well - i keep finding conflicting information. Just a heads-up

troubadix · #921 Post by **troubadix** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:32 pm

..somebody asked for a 2nd alternative fan profile, voilà:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~schmitzr/tpfc_v053.zip

runs under Vista without admin rights (i.e. out of startup folder)

ciao, troubadix

JayNYC · #922 Post by **JayNYC** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:18 pm

Hi. Great app. I just installed and ran it -- but am puzzled: with a T60P, how/why can my GPU be 78 degree? I have 2 browsers, 7 tabs, and 3 instances of Foxit reader open. I am not running anything graphic intensive and my Vista Business is running in performance (non aero, most basic) mode.

troubadix · #923 Post by **troubadix** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:11 am

Hi,

gpus in T60s are real hot stuff (ATI commonly), temps might show 120 degress (centigrade!) while gaming before emergency shutdown. Don't worry

.

Ciao, troubadix

intruder09 · #924 Post by **intruder09** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:34 am

i installed it on t42 (2373) and works fine.
but, with this config:
Level=0 0
Level=45 1
Level=62 2
Level=64 3
level=66 4
Level=68 5
Level=70 6
Level=72 7
i have this annoying issue: the cooler starts at 45, stops at 44, then starts immediately at 45, stops again at 44 and so on. so, it starts, it stops, it starts, it stops etc.
it would be great if the cooler starts at 45 and stops at, say 40. is there a setting for this i didn't find?
thank you!

troubadix · #925 Post by **troubadix** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:13 am

Hi!

change: "Level=0 0" to "Level=40 0"

Ciao, troubadix

intruder09 · #926 Post by **intruder09** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:36 am

i changed into:
Level=40 0
Level=45 1
Level=62 2
Level=64 3
level=66 4
Level=68 5
Level=70 6
Level=72 7
i restarted, but no success! it starts at 45 and stops at 44.
where seems to be the problem?
thanks!

intruder09 · #927 Post by **intruder09** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:02 am

this is the log:

[12/18/2008 6:01:16 PM] Current Config:
[12/18/2008 6:01:16 PM] Active= 2, Cycle= 5, FanBeep= 1200 0, MaxReadErrors= 100
[12/18/2008 6:01:16 PM] IconLevels= 70 80 90, IgnoreSensors= XXX,YYY,ZZZ
[12/18/2008 6:01:16 PM] Levels= 40°C -> 0, 45°C -> 1, 62°C -> 2, 64°C -> 3, 66°C -> 4, 68°C -> 5, 70°C -> 6, 72°C -> 7

[12/18/2008 6:01:17 PM] Fan: 0x80 / Highest: 45°C (40 43 28 45 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:01:17 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x01, Result: OK
[12/18/2008 6:02:12 PM] Fan: 0x01 / Highest: 44°C (40 42 27 44 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:02:12 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x00, Result: OK
[12/18/2008 6:02:13 PM] Fan: 0x00 / Highest: 45°C (40 42 27 45 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:02:13 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x01, Result: OK
[12/18/2008 6:02:22 PM] Fan: 0x01 / Highest: 44°C (40 42 27 44 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:02:22 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x00, Result: OK
[12/18/2008 6:02:22 PM] Fan: 0x00 / Highest: 45°C (40 42 27 45 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:02:22 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x01, Result: OK
[12/18/2008 6:02:27 PM] Fan: 0x01 / Highest: 44°C (40 42 27 44 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:02:27 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x00, Result: OK
[12/18/2008 6:02:42 PM] Fan: 0x00 / Highest: 45°C (40 42 27 45 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:02:42 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x01, Result: OK
[12/18/2008 6:02:42 PM] Fan: 0x01 / Highest: 44°C (40 42 27 44 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:02:42 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x00, Result: OK
[12/18/2008 6:02:52 PM] Fan: 0x00 / Highest: 45°C (40 42 27 45 n/a n/a n/a n/a 0 0 0 0)
[12/18/2008 6:02:52 PM] Smart: Set fan control to 0x01, Result: OK

troubadix · #928 Post by **troubadix** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:00 pm

early version, switching is buggy, please use latest version:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~schmitzr/tpfc_v053.zip

FAQs: http://tpfancontrol.com

intruder09 · #929 Post by **intruder09** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:44 am

yes, indeed. installed last version and it's perfect now.
thank you guys for this app - my laptop is finally silent!

zmandel · #930 Post by **zmandel** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:05 pm

troubadix wrote:Hi,

just a version for the T60, usage at your own risk, have fun:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~schmit ... rv_t60.zip
Ciao, troubadix

I wrote a separate utility that will reset TPFanControl to smart mode every 30 minutes. Its useful to me because sometimes I set it to manual mode (0, fan off, super quiet) and , and later forget to reset it. Its a very small exe that doesnt use any resources.
zmandel at gma....

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